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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:19:03 GMT -6
Oh and FYI in case The "What to expect during the toddler years" book doesn't highlight it, the most important educator for your little bambinos is......................... YOU, not the school Hmmm.....last time I check I did not homeschool! You are so twisted that it is actually amusing. I need to meet you one day. A real character my dear! LOL Dude If you believe that the school is your child's number one educator, just examine the number of hours you spend with your child versus the Sd this is "everyday math" 1 zero 1 ;D |
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Post by friend on May 29, 2008 20:20:40 GMT -6
Drwho - If there is one thing I have learned about boundaries is that 204 does not "shift" subdivision's they "sling shot" them to a new school. Case and point......When the Villages of Meadow Lakes was discussed as "the one" to go to Owen it was a "sling shot." A true "shift" would have meant that subdivisions closer to Owen could have gone to Owen allowing the Vof ML to go to a closer school. Alas, that was not even considered. Also, there was no public support shown from any subdivsions in 204 in keeping the Vof ML to a closer school. Where were all the caring people then? IMH experience, people only come out when their subdivision is affected. I am sorry for you my friend that you have been a victim of "sling-shot" not "shift.
Unfortunately, the split at Owen was another example of how people come out for their own cause. I agree with the other poster from Owen that if the school had come together as a whole and discuss the issue like real adults, alot of Owen"West" people would not had been as upset.
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:21:14 GMT -6
You continue to post 'leaving this board' but you don't (addiction??) You continue to post "I will not answer you" and yet hear you are?? What gives ?? is the addiction your expert medical opinion ? yes |
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Post by lorip on May 29, 2008 20:22:16 GMT -6
I understand your position. I can't speak for Brookdale. I can speak for my own feelings about how people got "screwed over". When Owen East split off from Owen West without a word to/with the Owen West parents, it felt like we got screwed over, too. We would have supported their position and likely advocated for them knowing their reasons ( I realize they are similar to the reasons for Watts not wanting to travel all the way to Eola, but that is not my point). My point is the Owen community, IMO, and of others who I have talked to felt like they got thrown under the bus. I think it's water under the bridge now, but the now Owen West seems to always get the shaft. We moved from White Eagle ES, then to McCarty, and then to Owen. This group of people has the longest commute to an ES in the district. However, I don't think any one of us would change that now. So for us to have one of the longest commutes to HS I suppose is "no big deal" for us. In fact, the commute to Eola and the commute to Owen ES is the same - I drove it one day. People talked of putting the Eola site back on a ballot. Even though the HS will no longer be "in my back yard", I would still vote for the Eola site, so location has not made a difference for me. My support was for a 3rd HS and still is. I understand though, that there might be some that fall into the category you mentioned, and of course, there will always be those people in any district. My plea was just to keep an open mind regarding the referendum itself and try to disregard the people behind it. I know that will be difficult for some. However, there have been people that have visited the green board that have said they will do just that, so I have hope. I respect your opinion however, I would never vote YES to a site that has such obvious risks to the health and well being of our children and staff. The tragedy is that so many parents so easily disregard that and can't wait to put their kids on the bus. The worst part of all is for parents like Arch who have always put the safety of his children first and now have to suffer the consequences of the actions this rogue SB has taken. Researching - With all due respect, my kids WILL go to this school and I am comfortable with them going there. Again, I respect your opinion to feel it is unsafe and I hope that you and others respect mine. While some may feel I (and others) are jeopardizing my kids, I do not think of it that way. They are in jeopardy everytime they walk out the door, quite honestly. I took a lot of time researching and reading the reports and also have seen Arch's many posts on the risks and results of terrible explosions and have even seen his pictures. Quite frankly, my kids could end up in a horrible car crash while driving with my neighbor where the car explodes and they are killed. Does that mean I don't send them in the car with my neighbor? No. However, I respect Arch's opinon and he is very passionate about it. I don't mean to turn this into a safety debate again. That has been discussed at length. So I didn't "easily disregard" their safety. I'd be more comfortable at BB, yes, but to imply Arch or anyone else who has these safety concerns are more responsible than I am because I have a different opinion, is simply not an accurate assessment. |
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Post by rural on May 29, 2008 20:23:42 GMT -6
I can happily say that I didn't vote for a SINGLE one. ;D I am proud to say NEITHER DID I!!!!!! Did either of you vote in the last election?  ;D Rhetorical question--doesn't require an answer, but it is amazing to me that the same group keeps getting re-elected time after time. |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:24:24 GMT -6
I respect your opinion however, I would never vote YES to a site that has such obvious risks to the health and well being of our children and staff. The tragedy is that so many parents so easily disregard that and can't wait to put their kids on the bus. The worst part of all is for parents like Arch who have always put the safety of his children first and now have to suffer the consequences of the actions this rogue SB has taken. Researching - With all due respect, my kids WILL go to this school and I am comfortable with them going there. Again, I respect your opinion to feel it is unsafe and I hope that you and others respect mine. While some may feel I (and others) are jeopardizing my kids, I do not think of it that way. They are in jeopardy everytime they walk out the door, quite honestly. I took a lot of time researching and reading the reports and also have seen Arch's many posts on the risks and results of terrible explosions and have even seen his pictures. Quite frankly, my kids could end up in a horrible car crash while driving with my neighbor where the car explodes and they are killed. Does that mean I don't send them in the car with my neighbor? No. However, I respect Arch's opinon and he is very passionate about it. I don't mean to turn this into a safety debate again. That has been discussed at length. So I didn't "easily disregard" their safety. I'd be more comfortable at BB, yes, but to imply Arch or anyone else who has these safety concerns are more responsible than I am because I have a different opinion, is simply not an accurate assessment. lorip for SB president |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 20:25:10 GMT -6
Hmmm.....last time I check I did not homeschool! You are so twisted that it is actually amusing. I need to meet you one day. A real character my dear! LOL Dude If you believe that the school is your child's number one educator, just examine the number of hours you spend with your child versus the Sd this is "everyday math" 1 zero 1 ;D Number one I am not a dude! Number 2 we all select school districts and specific schools for our children for a reason. You make no sense. Move on. I am done with you. Pointless. Enjoy your evening. |
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Post by d204mom on May 29, 2008 20:25:25 GMT -6
Drwho - If there is one thing I have learned about boundaries is that 204 does not "shift" subdivision's they "sling shot" them to a new school. Case and point......When the Villages of Meadow Lakes was discussed as "the one" to go to Owen it was a "sling shot." A true "shift" would have meant that subdivisions closer to Owen could have gone to Owen allowing the Vof ML to go to a closer school. Alas, that was not even considered. Also, there was no public support shown from any subdivsions in 204 in keeping the Vof ML to a closer school. Where were all the caring people then? IMH experience, people only come out when their subdivision is affected. I am sorry for you my friend that you have been a victim of "sling-shot" not "shift. Unfortunately, the split at Owen was another example of how people come out for their own cause. I agree with the other poster from Owen that if the school had come together as a whole and discuss the issue like real adults, alot of Owen"West" people would not had been as upset. I don't think Owen East would have gotten the last minute reprieve if John Stephens didn't live in Brighton Ridge. Do you? |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 20:27:14 GMT -6
I am proud to say NEITHER DID I!!!!!! Did either of you vote in the last election? ;D Rhetorical question--doesn't require an answer, but it is amazing to me that the same group keeps getting re-elected time after time. I voted! |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 20:27:59 GMT -6
Researching - With all due respect, my kids WILL go to this school and I am comfortable with them going there. Again, I respect your opinion to feel it is unsafe and I hope that you and others respect mine. While some may feel I (and others) are jeopardizing my kids, I do not think of it that way. They are in jeopardy everytime they walk out the door, quite honestly. I took a lot of time researching and reading the reports and also have seen Arch's many posts on the risks and results of terrible explosions and have even seen his pictures. Quite frankly, my kids could end up in a horrible car crash while driving with my neighbor where the car explodes and they are killed. Does that mean I don't send them in the car with my neighbor? No. However, I respect Arch's opinon and he is very passionate about it. I don't mean to turn this into a safety debate again. That has been discussed at length. So I didn't "easily disregard" their safety. I'd be more comfortable at BB, yes, but to imply Arch or anyone else who has these safety concerns are more responsible than I am because I have a different opinion, is simply not an accurate assessment. lorip for SB president If you want Lorip to win, I recommend you not be on the campaign committee. |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:28:47 GMT -6
lorip for SB president If you want Lorip to win, I recommend you not be on the campaign committee. point lost on ssm again |
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Post by doctorwho on May 29, 2008 20:29:21 GMT -6
Unfortunately lori, many of us had kids whose plight was not considered at all. I understand totally what you are saying, however when your own children have been overlooked - and viewed as part of some re engineering of Waubonsie decision, I will not be supporting that cause. let me ask you this question one last time ( for old times sake) - did the people of Brookdale vote 80% No for the right reasons ? How did it work out for them ? I would expert areas that feel screwed by the location / commute/ site - switch to vote heaqvily like they did - when one feels like the screw job side of decisions are directed at your kids - ( like BD did, and I do now) - the answer for agreement on things will be no. I understand your position. I can't speak for Brookdale. I can speak for my own feelings about how people got "screwed over". When Owen East split off from Owen West without a word to/with the Owen West parents, it felt like we got screwed over, too. We would have supported their position and likely advocated for them knowing their reasons ( I realize they are similar to the reasons for Watts not wanting to travel all the way to Eola, but that is not my point). My point is the Owen community, IMO, and of others who I have talked to felt like they got thrown under the bus. I think it's water under the bridge now, but the now Owen West seems to always get the shaft. We moved from White Eagle ES, then to McCarty, and then to Owen. This group of people has the longest commute to an ES in the district. However, I don't think any one of us would change that now. So for us to have one of the longest commutes to HS I suppose is "no big deal" for us. In fact, the commute to Eola and the commute to Owen ES is the same - I drove it one day. People talked of putting the Eola site back on a ballot. Even though the HS will no longer be "in my back yard", I would still vote for the Eola site, so location has not made a difference for me. My support was for a 3rd HS and still is. I understand though, that there might be some that fall into the category you mentioned, and of course, there will always be those people in any district. My plea was just to keep an open mind regarding the referendum itself and try to disregard the people behind it. I know that will be difficult for some. However, there have been people that have visited the green board that have said they will do just that, so I have hope. And I respect your opinions because you state them without malice ( unlike some others) - and they are your opinions. Yes, Owen did get thrown under the bus, and that throwing came from your SB member it sure appears, since people who claim to have heard from him days before the SB meeting that this split would take place. ( I know they put on a quality show to make everything appear to be spontaneous ). I don't envy that ES commute - but I also don't envy the fact Watts travels already to the 3rd closest MS. I think we do take one for the team already - then to get sent to the furthest HS becomes far more than taking one for the team. Then to have the SB not even acknowledge our existence in their ' issues to address' - when the felt compelled to move people 2 minutes to my south just proves how much they care about our area. Couple that with listening to a booster club president celebrating at orientation that the new blood into WVHS would bring more money for that group - ( when you are the group leavoing)- and the insults become a little much to handle. So I'd like to say I will be openminded in the future, and maybe time will heal some things, but I can't make that promise today. When my daughter graduates next Wednesday and says goodbye to many friends for the last time- and I have to try and explain again why she is not going to WV< I doubt that will help my opinion. I can tell you that if a referendum vote was tomorrow I would be a No voter. And I have voted for every referendum since I have lived here for almost 20 years - and having volunteered untold hours to this district and the ref passing, I get it's about the kids. Just obviosuly, not all the kids. |
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Post by d204mom on May 29, 2008 20:30:18 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens.
I'll start.
Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway.
When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV.
ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full.
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 20:31:01 GMT -6
If you want Lorip to win, I recommend you not be on the campaign committee. point lost on ssm again Oh I got your point. Fact is though that you don't actually make one that warrants a true response of sincerity. |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:31:28 GMT -6
I understand your position. I can't speak for Brookdale. I can speak for my own feelings about how people got "screwed over". When Owen East split off from Owen West without a word to/with the Owen West parents, it felt like we got screwed over, too. We would have supported their position and likely advocated for them knowing their reasons ( I realize they are similar to the reasons for Watts not wanting to travel all the way to Eola, but that is not my point). My point is the Owen community, IMO, and of others who I have talked to felt like they got thrown under the bus. I think it's water under the bridge now, but the now Owen West seems to always get the shaft. We moved from White Eagle ES, then to McCarty, and then to Owen. This group of people has the longest commute to an ES in the district. However, I don't think any one of us would change that now. So for us to have one of the longest commutes to HS I suppose is "no big deal" for us. In fact, the commute to Eola and the commute to Owen ES is the same - I drove it one day. People talked of putting the Eola site back on a ballot. Even though the HS will no longer be "in my back yard", I would still vote for the Eola site, so location has not made a difference for me. My support was for a 3rd HS and still is. I understand though, that there might be some that fall into the category you mentioned, and of course, there will always be those people in any district. My plea was just to keep an open mind regarding the referendum itself and try to disregard the people behind it. I know that will be difficult for some. However, there have been people that have visited the green board that have said they will do just that, so I have hope. And I respect your opinions because you state them without malice ( unlike some others) - and they are your opinions. Yes, Owen did get thrown under the bus, and that throwing came from your SB member it sure appears, since people who claim to have heard from him days before the SB meeting that this split would take place. ( I know they put on a quality show to make everything appear to be spontaneous ). I don't envy that ES commute - but I also don't envy the fact Watts travels already to the 3rd closest MS. I think we do take one for the team already - then to get sent to the furthest HS becomes far more than taking one for the team. Then to have the SB not even acknowledge our existence in their ' issues to address' - when the felt compelled to move people 2 minutes to my south just proves how much they care about our area. Couple that with listening to a booster club president celebrating at orientation that the new blood into WVHS would bring more money for that group - ( when you are the group leavoing)- and the insults become a little much to handle. So I'd like to say I will be openminded in the future, and maybe time will heal some things, but I can't make that promise today. When my daughter graduates next Wednesday and says goodbye to many friends for the last time- and I have to try and explain again why she is not going to WV< I doubt that will help my opinion. I can tell you that if a referendum vote was tomorrow I would be a No voter. And I have voted for every referendum since I have lived here for almost 20 years - and having volunteered untold hours to this district and the ref passing, I get it's about the kids. Just obviosuly, not all the kids. If you only believed your own words.... |
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