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Post by Arch on Sept 2, 2008 7:11:54 GMT -6
Recently in the news I seem to recall an article about a school district in KY that lost a Supreme Court Case regarding using race as a school integration criteria (bussing) but there was also talk about now using economics as a criteria. Apparently, according to the blurbs I read, it seemed that a former Super supported such initiatives as a chance to give as many kids as possible fair opportunities in the education process.
I'm curious to see, using census data, what a scenerio would look like if D204 tried to 'balance' as close as possible to the dollar and only using that criteria.
I think I have a new project...
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Post by JB on Sept 2, 2008 18:54:06 GMT -6
Recently in the news I seem to recall an article about a school district in KY that lost a Supreme Court Case regarding using race as a school integration criteria (bussing) but there was also talk about now using economics as a criteria. Apparently, according to the blurbs I read, it seemed that a former Super supported such initiatives as a chance to give as many kids as possible fair opportunities in the education process. I'm curious to see, using census data, what a scenerio would look like if D204 tried to 'balance' as close as possible to the dollar and only using that criteria. I think I have a new project... With little regard to busing costs.. Yes Arch, interesting artiles indeed. Google yields lots of hits. Here's one I found interesting www.equaleducation.org/commentary.asp?opedid=1916It would also be interesting to determine the financial impact of this decision - there is a low-cost transportation option based solely on geography, so if one changes that to suit other criteria, there is an implied cost to that decision. |
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Post by d204mom on Sept 3, 2008 16:05:37 GMT -6
But last Wednesday the Jefferson County school board unanimously voted to adopt a new plan that emphasizes integration by socioeconomic status, which is more legally viable and educationally sound than integration based on race alone. The revised plan, which considers parental education and income levels in addition to race, may very well represent the future of school integration in the United States.
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If it's legally defendable, why not just come out and say that they are bussing kids all over tarnation to balance socioeconomics instead of stupid bridge memos and distorted maps?
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Post by slp on Sept 3, 2008 16:31:03 GMT -6
But last Wednesday the Jefferson County school board unanimously voted to adopt a new plan that emphasizes integration by socioeconomic status, which is more legally viable and educationally sound than integration based on race alone. The revised plan, which considers parental education and income levels in addition to race, may very well represent the future of school integration in the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's legally defendable, why not just come out and say that they are bussing kids all over tarnation to balance socioeconomics instead of stupid bridge memos and distorted maps? Perhaps along with all of this socioeconomic engineering, which is now apparently the job of a school district , they can institute some parenting classes as well. I truly believe that money in a household has alot less to do with a child's success than love, discipline, involvement, and having proper priorities on school work. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 25, 2008 21:56:24 GMT -6
Someone recently suggested reuniting some middle schools w/ a HS change for the current splits.
I think that would be a wonderful first step because it would be pretty much a simple swap that helps fit the Admin's criteria better.
Reuniting Gombert East and West at MV and Reuniting Owen West and East at WV would be a move that I would support because it shores up and eliminates two of the split-school situations that currenly exist.
I may have heard the two areas incorrectly, but I believe these were the ones being tossed around in recent conversations amongst parents and I would happily support that shift even though it does not involve my own area.... because it makes more sense than what we have currently.
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Post by we4 on Sept 26, 2008 4:29:27 GMT -6
Someone recently suggested reuniting some middle schools w/ a HS change for the current splits. I think that would be a wonderful first step because it would be pretty much a simple swap that helps fit the Admin's criteria better. Reuniting Gombert East and West at MV and Reuniting Owen West and East at WV would be a move that I would support because it shores up and eliminates two of the split-school situations that currenly exist. I may have heard the two areas incorrectly, but I believe these were the ones being tossed around in recent conversations amongst parents and I would happily support that shift even though it does not involve my own area.... because it makes more sense than what we have currently. Gatordog had a very interesting "think out loud" post on the green board. The very first post in the tread. www.ip204.proboards92.com/index.cgi?board=schooltalk&action=display&thread=1665&page=1Gombert East and Owen West would go to WV. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 26, 2008 5:45:09 GMT -6
Someone recently suggested reuniting some middle schools w/ a HS change for the current splits. I think that would be a wonderful first step because it would be pretty much a simple swap that helps fit the Admin's criteria better. Reuniting Gombert East and West at MV and Reuniting Owen West and East at WV would be a move that I would support because it shores up and eliminates two of the split-school situations that currenly exist. I may have heard the two areas incorrectly, but I believe these were the ones being tossed around in recent conversations amongst parents and I would happily support that shift even though it does not involve my own area.... because it makes more sense than what we have currently. Gatordog had a very interesting "think out loud" post on the green board. The very first post in the tread. www.ip204.proboards92.com/index.cgi?board=schooltalk&action=display&thread=1665&page=1Gombert East and Owen West would go to WV. Should be no reason one can't send them to MV and give Owen west a little 'sorry about the ES thing' for their HS years... Owen --> WV, Gombert --> MV (closer commute for the entire school area to MV than Owen has for their entire attendance area). To me, that seems 'fair' and fits the criteria better and eliminates the splits while still 'balancing' out the enrollment. |
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Post by rew on Sept 26, 2008 7:22:20 GMT -6
I could agree with that scenario, or send McCarty to MV, and send all of Owen/ all of Gombert to WV. They could even move the MCCarty walkers to Steck/ Gombert so they remain at WV. Then the overflow at Young or the islands from MW could be sent to McCarty.
There certainly is a lot you can do...
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Post by Arch on Sept 26, 2008 7:35:08 GMT -6
I could agree with that scenario, or send McCarty to MV, and send all of Owen/ all of Gombert to WV. They could even move the MCCarty walkers to Steck/ Gombert so they remain at WV. Then the overflow at Young or the islands from MW could be sent to McCarty. There certainly is a lot you can do... Better still, in the interest of saving transportation costs; fill MV with those closest to it first, then fill WV with those closest, everyone else goes to NV. Let the dollars and bus miles determine it with the least expensive scenario whatever it may be. |
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Post by JB on Sept 26, 2008 7:51:05 GMT -6
I could agree with that scenario, or send McCarty to MV, and send all of Owen/ all of Gombert to WV. They could even move the MCCarty walkers to Steck/ Gombert so they remain at WV. Then the overflow at Young or the islands from MW could be sent to McCarty. There certainly is a lot you can do... Better still, in the interest of saving transportation costs; fill MV with those closest to it first, then fill WV with those closest, everyone else goes to NV. Let the dollars and bus miles determine it with the least expensive scenario whatever it may be. Very easy to create an optimization program to do just that, yet my offer was greeted with, "We're already doing something very similiar." I wouldn't necessaily fill MV first - the better solution is to consider everything simultaneously. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 26, 2008 8:18:17 GMT -6
Someone recently suggested reuniting some middle schools w/ a HS change for the current splits. I think that would be a wonderful first step because it would be pretty much a simple swap that helps fit the Admin's criteria better. Reuniting Gombert East and West at MV and Reuniting Owen West and East at WV would be a move that I would support because it shores up and eliminates two of the split-school situations that currenly exist. I may have heard the two areas incorrectly, but I believe these were the ones being tossed around in recent conversations amongst parents and I would happily support that shift even though it does not involve my own area.... because it makes more sense than what we have currently. they do make sense - and room is NOT an issue ( as had been protrayed for fear factors) - However I find it funny that all this 'makes sense' discussion never gets around to fixing the longest commute in the district - recreating the hirrible commute some have today - and spending $150M to do so. Nothing but sit down and shut up when it comes to that - why would that be? |
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Post by JB on Sept 26, 2008 8:41:47 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see what happens a few years down the road when the residentially-zoned land at BB becomes a sub-division. One of the easily / conveniently forgotten benefits of BB was that it took 80 acres of residential out of the mix. Eventually, we'll have to deal with the extra students.
It will also be interesting to see what happens with regards to re-zoing requests. What was once a predominently commercial area now looks more attractive to residential use.
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Post by rew on Sept 26, 2008 8:58:51 GMT -6
JB Wasn't that optimization program they were using JCs kitchen table?
Remember the first boundary discussion, voted and the next day four options appeared in the paper and then at the next SB meeting JC apologized for adding wrong and they redid all the options.
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Post by steckdad on Sept 26, 2008 21:15:22 GMT -6
Someone recently suggested reuniting some middle schools w/ a HS change for the current splits. I think that would be a wonderful first step because it would be pretty much a simple swap that helps fit the Admin's criteria better. Reuniting Gombert East and West at MV and Reuniting Owen West and East at WV would be a move that I would support because it shores up and eliminates two of the split-school situations that currenly exist. I may have heard the two areas incorrectly, but I believe these were the ones being tossed around in recent conversations amongst parents and I would happily support that shift even though it does not involve my own area.... because it makes more sense than what we have currently. they do make sense - and room is NOT an issue ( as had been protrayed for fear factors) - However I find it funny that all this 'makes sense' discussion never gets around to fixing the longest commute in the district - recreating the hirrible commute some have today - and spending $150M to do so. Nothing but sit down and shut up when it comes to that - why would that be? somebody has to have the longest commute? |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 26, 2008 21:53:03 GMT -6
they do make sense - and room is NOT an issue ( as had been protrayed for fear factors) - However I find it funny that all this 'makes sense' discussion never gets around to fixing the longest commute in the district - recreating the hirrible commute some have today - and spending $150M to do so. Nothing but sit down and shut up when it comes to that - why would that be? somebody has to have the longest commute? techincally correct - but NOONE should have a match to the longest commute today - we built a 3rd HS remember - $150M dollars worth and because 1/ westuck it where 15% of the kids are & 2/ we put boundaries in place that force someone to duplicate the crappy commutes when there are only 2 schools. I must be greedy, I expect a little more out of my share of $150M . Of course I expected a complete school upon opening as well as a school that doesn't have serious safety concerns under it --silly me |
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