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Post by doctorwho on Nov 7, 2008 10:53:06 GMT -6
Okay,
I have wrestled with how to put this out there without the usual 'sour grapes' rips from the not so silent majority -- but more than one little bird in the general area has whispered this to different people...and the sources are varied enough where it seems to be getting legs. I have no idea if this is true or not, but if so is worth looking into. Quite honestly I really hope it is false. Here is what is making the rounds.
SD is actively looking at renting office space to guarantee an opening of the hs in 2009
If anyone has anything to add to this -- to prove or dispell the truth ,and unfortunately opinion doesn't do either, please share what you may know.
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Post by Arch on Nov 7, 2008 11:03:37 GMT -6
You have me scratching my head asking: Office space for what?
Will the Administration of MVHS be off in some industrial park or something? Like, on the other side of the tracks?
I thought we were supposed to be building a HS and converting back a freshman campus to a middle school (even though that last part wasn't explicitly on the ballot; but was simply 'understood' to be part of the package deal.. tsk tsk).
So.. the big Q in my mind is... If true, WHY?
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Post by casey on Nov 7, 2008 11:21:54 GMT -6
FWIW, I've heard the same rumor! I'm with Arch, scratching my head and wondering "what the heck!"
You've got to be kidding me! In our current economy and the fact that many are even questioning the need of the 3rd HS we're spending extra money for an expedited building schedule and now we're saying that isn't going to work so we'll spend money renting office space?!! Are you kidding me? This is the biggest joke! Why the heck are they so hell-bent on opening in 2009 that they're willing to pull out any and all stops? Please someone on the SB wake up and stop this runaway train.
Why throw good money away after bad? How can they possibly justify spending ANY more money on this crazy plan? Do they honestly think that they can convince the community to support spending money renting office space? Help us all!
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Post by Arch on Nov 7, 2008 13:00:26 GMT -6
Again, my brain keeps circling back around to: What would this space be used for? Classrooms? Administration? I can't think of anything about the school system that would make any sense; which makes me even wonder if there's any validity to it or not. If it said it was to move the HC building on Shorline to new 'office space' and use the HC building as MV-Lite to put freshman there... OK.. I can at least 'see' where it's going... even though I think it would be quite an odd move to say the least. At least the location would have a lesser built-in risk associated with it.  |
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Post by researching on Nov 7, 2008 14:58:16 GMT -6
Again, my brain keeps circling back around to: What would this space be used for? Classrooms? Administration? I can't think of anything about the school system that would make any sense; which makes me even wonder if there's any validity to it or not. If it said it was to move the HC building on Shorline to new 'office space' and use the HC building as MV-Lite to put freshman there... OK.. I can at least 'see' where it's going... even though I think it would be quite an odd move to say the least. At least the location would have a lesser built-in risk associated with it. Ok, I couldn't even respond to this enormously odd rumor at first. Arch's response could be the reason if this rumor truly has merit. Is the district under so much pressure because of the NCLB failure that they MUST open something somewhere in 2009? Otherwise, what is the real harm in a delay? It seems that EVERY move this SB/Admin has been making since the BB debacle is desperate. What is REALLY behind such desperation? |
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Post by rural on Nov 7, 2008 15:18:20 GMT -6
Again, my brain keeps circling back around to: What would this space be used for? Classrooms? Administration? I can't think of anything about the school system that would make any sense; which makes me even wonder if there's any validity to it or not. If it said it was to move the HC building on Shorline to new 'office space' and use the HC building as MV-Lite to put freshman there... OK.. I can at least 'see' where it's going... even though I think it would be quite an odd move to say the least. At least the location would have a lesser built-in risk associated with it. Ok, I couldn't even respond to this enormously odd rumor at first. Arch's response could be the reason if this rumor truly has merit. Is the district under so much pressure because of the NCLB failure that they MUST open something somewhere in 2009? Otherwise, what is the real harm in a delay? It seems that EVERY move this SB/Admin has been making since the BB debacle is desperate. What is REALLY behind such desperation? This is what is sometimes referred to as the snowball effect. We know nothing. However, since I want to play too, here is another scenario: Perhaps they searching for a new location for the Frontier Campus? When does their lease with Fry expire? Frontier’s Fate Might be Final September 14, 2008 Rumors on the ultimate fate of the Frontier Campus have been circulating the halls recently. The common story theorizes that the Frontier Campus was put into place only to ease the effects of overcrowding at Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley. Therefore, when Metea Valley eventually opens its doors to students, the Frontier Campus will close. Reality is not as simple. “Even though no definite decisions have been made, I know [District 204 does] have a lease with the Fry Building where Frontier currently resides for 2 more years after this year,” stated Bob Mattingly, a counselor and administrator at Frontier. Based on Mattingly’s statement, the 2010 to 2011 school year would be Frontier’s last at its current Fry location, but the lease is not the only factor in deciding Frontier’s future. “I do believe that a lot will depend on the number of students we get from WVHS the next two years as to whether we’ll still offer the ‘Frontier Experience’ to WVHS and Metea students at the present site, or whether those schools will have that ‘experience’ at their own school sites or another site which would draw more students,” stated Mattingly. Evidently, Frontier’s future heavily depends on how many Waubonsie seniors enroll in the coming two years. Neuqua students currently outnumber Waubonsie students by a significant margin. A higher enrollment rate from Waubonsie would seemingly increase Frontier’s value to all District 204 as a whole and also increase the likelihood that it would stay open. Even in the short term Frontier could see some changes. According to Mattingly, the grant that keeps enrollment at Frontier to ten dollars plus book and class fees, may expire this year. In that case, College of DuPage classes would still be offered at the “regular tuition fee.” Frontier Campus is a joint venture between Indian Prairie School District 204 and the College of DuPage. The joining of the two institutions allows Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley Seniors to sample the college atmosphere and class work while finishing their high school education. The Frontier Campus is located approximately 1000 feet east of Neuqua Valley’s Main Campus By Jonathan Oskvarek, Echo news and web editor neuquamedia.org/2008/09/frontiers-fate-might-be-final/ |
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Post by researching on Nov 7, 2008 15:40:41 GMT -6
Ok, I couldn't even respond to this enormously odd rumor at first. Arch's response could be the reason if this rumor truly has merit. Is the district under so much pressure because of the NCLB failure that they MUST open something somewhere in 2009? Otherwise, what is the real harm in a delay? It seems that EVERY move this SB/Admin has been making since the BB debacle is desperate. What is REALLY behind such desperation? This is what is sometimes referred to as the snowball effect. We know nothing. However, since I want to play too, here is another scenario: Perhaps they searching for a new location for the Frontier Campus? When does their lease with Fry expire? Frontier’s Fate Might be Final September 14, 2008 Rumors on the ultimate fate of the Frontier Campus have been circulating the halls recently. The common story theorizes that the Frontier Campus was put into place only to ease the effects of overcrowding at Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley. Therefore, when Metea Valley eventually opens its doors to students, the Frontier Campus will close. Reality is not as simple. “Even though no definite decisions have been made, I know [District 204 does] have a lease with the Fry Building where Frontier currently resides for 2 more years after this year,” stated Bob Mattingly, a counselor and administrator at Frontier. Based on Mattingly’s statement, the 2010 to 2011 school year would be Frontier’s last at its current Fry location, but the lease is not the only factor in deciding Frontier’s future. “I do believe that a lot will depend on the number of students we get from WVHS the next two years as to whether we’ll still offer the ‘Frontier Experience’ to WVHS and Metea students at the present site, or whether those schools will have that ‘experience’ at their own school sites or another site which would draw more students,” stated Mattingly. Evidently, Frontier’s future heavily depends on how many Waubonsie seniors enroll in the coming two years. Neuqua students currently outnumber Waubonsie students by a significant margin. A higher enrollment rate from Waubonsie would seemingly increase Frontier’s value to all District 204 as a whole and also increase the likelihood that it would stay open. Even in the short term Frontier could see some changes. According to Mattingly, the grant that keeps enrollment at Frontier to ten dollars plus book and class fees, may expire this year. In that case, College of DuPage classes would still be offered at the “regular tuition fee.” Frontier Campus is a joint venture between Indian Prairie School District 204 and the College of DuPage. The joining of the two institutions allows Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley Seniors to sample the college atmosphere and class work while finishing their high school education. The Frontier Campus is located approximately 1000 feet east of Neuqua Valley’s Main Campus By Jonathan Oskvarek, Echo news and web editor neuquamedia.org/2008/09/frontiers-fate-might-be-final/I agree that we know nothing for certain. However, when Doc talks...I listen. ;D I believe that they would need to relocate the Frontier Campus for the 2011 - 2012 school year. Would this be too early to start looking? |
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Post by Arch on Nov 7, 2008 15:54:51 GMT -6
I agree that we know nothing for certain. However, when Doc talks...I listen. ;D I believe that they would need to relocate the Frontier Campus for the 2011 - 2012 school year. Would this be too early to start looking? Based on the direction of the economy, signing a contract now for space in 2011/2012 means you will probably be locking yourself into paying more than you would if you just waited at least another year. Would not be the first nor the last time we the taxpayers overpaid for something. An official word on whether the district is or is not looking into office space for use within the next 12 months, and if so, why ... would put this to rest. |
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Post by doctorwho on Nov 7, 2008 16:07:24 GMT -6
This is what is sometimes referred to as the snowball effect. We know nothing. However, since I want to play too, here is another scenario: Perhaps they searching for a new location for the Frontier Campus? When does their lease with Fry expire? Frontier’s Fate Might be Final September 14, 2008 Rumors on the ultimate fate of the Frontier Campus have been circulating the halls recently. The common story theorizes that the Frontier Campus was put into place only to ease the effects of overcrowding at Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley. Therefore, when Metea Valley eventually opens its doors to students, the Frontier Campus will close. Reality is not as simple. “Even though no definite decisions have been made, I know [District 204 does] have a lease with the Fry Building where Frontier currently resides for 2 more years after this year,” stated Bob Mattingly, a counselor and administrator at Frontier. Based on Mattingly’s statement, the 2010 to 2011 school year would be Frontier’s last at its current Fry location, but the lease is not the only factor in deciding Frontier’s future. “I do believe that a lot will depend on the number of students we get from WVHS the next two years as to whether we’ll still offer the ‘Frontier Experience’ to WVHS and Metea students at the present site, or whether those schools will have that ‘experience’ at their own school sites or another site which would draw more students,” stated Mattingly. Evidently, Frontier’s future heavily depends on how many Waubonsie seniors enroll in the coming two years. Neuqua students currently outnumber Waubonsie students by a significant margin. A higher enrollment rate from Waubonsie would seemingly increase Frontier’s value to all District 204 as a whole and also increase the likelihood that it would stay open. Even in the short term Frontier could see some changes. According to Mattingly, the grant that keeps enrollment at Frontier to ten dollars plus book and class fees, may expire this year. In that case, College of DuPage classes would still be offered at the “regular tuition fee.” Frontier Campus is a joint venture between Indian Prairie School District 204 and the College of DuPage. The joining of the two institutions allows Neuqua Valley and Waubonsie Valley Seniors to sample the college atmosphere and class work while finishing their high school education. The Frontier Campus is located approximately 1000 feet east of Neuqua Valley’s Main Campus By Jonathan Oskvarek, Echo news and web editor neuquamedia.org/2008/09/frontiers-fate-might-be-final/I agree that we know nothing for certain. However, when Doc talks...I listen. ;D I believe that they would need to relocate the Frontier Campus for the 2011 - 2012 school year. Would this be too early to start looking? Frontier campus movement could very well be a factor....reasonable guess at least |
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Post by rew on Nov 7, 2008 16:41:54 GMT -6
I wouls also wonder if this could be related to a WV Frontier campus. I posted a quote from the October 31 Echo (NVHSs student newspaper) that had Kathy Birkett saying they were committed to the Frontier campus ("over there")and wanted to expand it to the other buildings.
Maybe the space is for a second COD campus???
Or maybe the additional administrators Dash has hired has cramped their style over at the HC center.
ETA This could actually help ease the overcrowding anticipated at WVHS for next year.
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Post by casey on Nov 7, 2008 17:08:42 GMT -6
Renting office space at this stage of the game makes NO sense period. As of right now, I don't believe that the Frontier campus is maxed out at Neuqua so why in the world would they be looking to rent office space to expand it now at Waubonsie?
A much more simple solution is to avoid overcrowding Waubonsie next year (by not moving NV freshmen). Or the even better solution is wait until 2010 to open MV. Again if they waited until 2010 to open MV would be a full complete high school with full amenities (and we could avoid continuing to pay exorbitant expedited fees!). Please SB, use some common sense!
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Post by rural on Nov 7, 2008 17:37:21 GMT -6
Renting office space at this stage of the game makes NO sense period. As of right now, I don't believe that the Frontier campus is maxed out at Neuqua so why in the world would they be looking to rent office space to expand it now at Waubonsie? A much more simple solution is to avoid overcrowding Waubonsie next year (by not moving NV freshmen). Or the even better solution is wait until 2010 to open MV. Again if they waited until 2010 to open MV would be a full complete high school with full amenities (and we could avoid continuing to pay exorbitant expedited fees!). Please SB, use some common sense! I must say I am amused at the ability to be frustrated at the school board for imagined transgressions. Please keep in mind that this is a rumor thread. ;D |
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Post by casey on Nov 7, 2008 18:23:52 GMT -6
I must say I am amused at the ability to be frustrated at the school board for imagined transgressions. Please keep in mind that this is a rumor thread. ;D Oh no. I'm not frustrated at the SB for imagined transgressions. I'm frustrated at all the real transgressions. Granted this particular one is a rumor at best but trust they've committed enough real ones over the years. When I start agreeing with Paul White, I know there's issues ;D. |
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Post by researching on Nov 7, 2008 19:31:40 GMT -6
I must say I am amused at the ability to be frustrated at the school board for imagined transgressions. Please keep in mind that this is a rumor thread. ;D Oh no. I'm not frustrated at the SB for imagined transgressions. I'm frustrated at all the real transgressions. Granted this particular one is a rumor at best but trust they've committed enough real ones over the years. When I start agreeing with Paul White, I know there's issues ;D. I am with Casey on this. I understand this is just a "rumor". However, the realities we have been dealt from this SB/Admin. make almost ANYTHING believable. We should start a new thread and list the unbelievable "realities" this SB has heaped upon it's taxpayers in the last several years. Reality- let's pay A LOT more than top dollar for land the SB themselves have previously deemed unsafe, not get an appraisal, pay cash and close in 36 hours. |
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Post by Arch on Nov 7, 2008 19:34:46 GMT -6
... to beat a cheaper offer from a developer for a parcel in south Naperville that was on its way.
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