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Post by sashimi on Feb 8, 2009 9:38:14 GMT -6
SteckDad....definately not black and white.
If this had happened at school, I do not think that the District would wait for criminal proceedings to make a decision to suspend or not (the beyond a reasonable doubt criteria for criminal conviction is much higher than I think is employed when a School District is taking disciplinary action or more importantly, action to protect its other students).
The police found reasonable cause to charge and presumably there was an arraignment where the courts found the same.
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Post by steckdad on Feb 8, 2009 10:28:13 GMT -6
SteckDad....definately not black and white. If this had happened at school, I do not think that the District would wait for criminal proceedings to make a decision to suspend or not (the beyond a reasonable doubt criteria for criminal conviction is much higher than I think is employed when a School District is taking disciplinary action or more importantly, action to protect its other students). The police found reasonable cause to charge and presumably there was an arraignment where the courts found the same. thanks for the input.....I will say this, if it was to happen in the school, there most likely would be witnesses and the school could conduct their own investigation and react accordingly. this is out of their jurisdiction. But I don't blame you for looking for a policy change, etc....I think it is just a slippery slope for the SD |
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Post by rj on Feb 8, 2009 19:05:51 GMT -6
I think that's the longest cut/paste I've ever seen  That's our Doc for you, he doesn't want anyone to miss any minute detail. ;D I just hope no one ever asks him a question about the U.S. Constitution, that would be like a 10 page reply.  |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 8, 2009 23:09:44 GMT -6
I think that's the longest cut/paste I've ever seen That's our Doc for you, he doesn't want anyone to miss any minute detail. ;D I just hope no one ever asks him a question about the U.S. Constitution, that would be like a 10 page reply. guilty as charged ;D |
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Post by d204mom on Feb 9, 2009 14:24:57 GMT -6
I think given the violent nature of the 'alleged' incident, there has to be something done so as to ensure others are not endangered. Personally, I'd like to see it be treated as if they have a contagious illness and their work is sent home to them and it is still expected to be completed. I completely agree. I have been privy to some more personal info. on this and I am astounded that this hasn't been addressed before now. I am all for "innocent until proven guilty" but from what I understand this is NOT a case of "if" it happened. I only learned small specifics and it is much much more than was portrayed so generally in the news. I can't imagine how the victim functions on a daily basis at school with the accused there. I have to applaud the restraint of the victim's parents for ONLY going to the media. If a teacher was charged with felony sexual assault of a student, even if it was off grounds, the teacher would be removed from the school... I hope? So I'm just not understanding why they can't remove the students that have been charged. |
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Post by researching on Feb 9, 2009 19:05:29 GMT -6
I completely agree. I have been privy to some more personal info. on this and I am astounded that this hasn't been addressed before now. I am all for "innocent until proven guilty" but from what I understand this is NOT a case of "if" it happened. I only learned small specifics and it is much much more than was portrayed so generally in the news. I can't imagine how the victim functions on a daily basis at school with the accused there. I have to applaud the restraint of the victim's parents for ONLY going to the media. If a teacher was charged with felony sexual assault of a student, even if it was off grounds, the teacher would be removed from the school... I hope? So I'm just not understanding why they can't remove the students that have been charged. I am also confused about this. My child is on a sport at NV and if the athletes are photographed holding a drink that even "appears" like alcohol (we decided to forgo the sparkling cider in a wine glass this New Year's Eve) the athlete is at the very least suspended from participating in the sport. How can it be that these athletes can get suspended from their sport for possible drinking OFF school grounds and these accused/charged sexual assailants can go about their lives at school as though nothing happened? I have heard more disturbing and truly heartbreaking details about this case. Not the details of the actual act (too horrific to even fathum) but details that this was a premeditated act and that cell phone pictures may have been taken during the attack. Maybe that is why these "children" were charged with felonies. I was told that this was premeditated in that the alleged assailants brought the rope to the home that was used to tie the victim. I hope the victim's parents get heard tonight and a policy is immediately written. My heart and my prayers go out to this family. |
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Post by southsidemom on Feb 9, 2009 23:04:40 GMT -6
Attended the SB meeting tonight and was appalled. But not surprised at the lack of compassion or sense of aloofness by our SB. Thank God Curt is thinking ahead and openly stated he had some info on victims rights. This poor family....I had no idea that incidents have happened in school as well. If I were the family with the accused perpetrators I would want my kids removed immediately to get the psycholigical help he so much must need. M2 certainly did not look good tonight....you would think with the news there he would try to fake it. Sad that our district has thought enough to have punishment for crimes against faculty on or off campus but not children. Go figure.
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Post by southsidemom on Feb 9, 2009 23:05:19 GMT -6
SteckDad....definately not black and white. If this had happened at school, I do not think that the District would wait for criminal proceedings to make a decision to suspend or not (the beyond a reasonable doubt criteria for criminal conviction is much higher than I think is employed when a School District is taking disciplinary action or more importantly, action to protect its other students). The police found reasonable cause to charge and presumably there was an arraignment where the courts found the same. Family revealed tonight that there have been some bullying incidents at school. And what was done...nothing. So sad. |
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Post by researching on Feb 10, 2009 9:12:09 GMT -6
I am so furious my blood is still boiling! What an absolute outrage! They can remove our children from their school sport if the student drinks alcohol OFF SCHOOL GROUNDS but will do NOTHING if a child is attacked by other students. Give me a break! Cudos to CB for standing up to the cold and careless M2!
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Post by blankcheck on Feb 10, 2009 9:43:20 GMT -6
So the bottom line is that they will nothing to help this boy our? PATHETIC!!!!. Isn't there something in their "rules" stating disrupting the learning of others?  ? |
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Post by sashimi on Feb 10, 2009 9:51:38 GMT -6
I am just really sad for the student and family that was first victimized by these fellow students and now is being treated like outcasts by OUR SB/Administration.
There seems to be incidents of bullying at school as well as a horrible attack by classmates outside of school grounds. How can the Board/District justify (or even live with) ignoring this family's request to have a meeting. Their child was sexually assaulted by classmates that their child has to see every day, and the SB/Admin can not even grant the parents a fricking meeting? The preferred avenue is having the conversation taken to the media and a Board meeting?
How about common sense and compassion?
My opinion is MM prides himself on being a bully, so perhaps he truly is unable to sympathize with the situation. Ironic that MM's response to CB's proposal addressing the worst extreme of bullying possible is to tell CB to sit down and shut up.
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Post by Arch on Feb 10, 2009 9:52:28 GMT -6
Rotten from the top down....
If you want a change in the district, the time is this April.. and you have to have a new majority.
Anything less is a vote for wanting more of the same.. it's that simple.
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Post by blankcheck on Feb 10, 2009 9:56:13 GMT -6
Is it true this Reed lady is an attorney for one of the accused?
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Post by sashimi on Feb 10, 2009 10:19:45 GMT -6
I was not able to attend the SB meeting last night. Was Dr. D present (and as an aside and on on the topic of irony, was he wearing his save the children tie?)
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 10, 2009 10:22:05 GMT -6
I am just really sad for the student and family that was first victimized by these fellow students and now is being treated like outcasts by OUR SB/Administration. There seems to be incidents of bullying at school as well as a horrible attack by classmates outside of school grounds. How can the Board/District justify (or even live with) ignoring this family's request to have a meeting. Their child was sexually assaulted by classmates that their child has to see every day, and the SB/Admin can not even grant the parents a fricking meeting? The preferred avenue is having the conversation taken to the media and a Board meeting? How about common sense and compassion? My opinion is MM prides himself on being a bully, so perhaps he truly is unable to sympathize with the situation. Ironic that MM's response to CB's proposal addressing the worst extreme of bullying possible is to tell CB to sit down and shut up. <My opinion is MM prides himself on being a bully, so perhaps he truly is unable to sympathize with the situation. Ironic that MM's response to CB's proposal addressing the worst extreme of bullying possible is to tell CB to sit down and shut up.> I was going to contact CB today and tell him he needs to move to TG or Watts if he's going to be treated like that at least he wasn't called a nincompoop - |
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