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Post by blankcheck on Sept 2, 2009 11:17:09 GMT -6
I have been going through these documents and the elementary school operating at 100% is Longwood. Followed by 90% capasity at Welch & Young. All the other elementary operate 89% or less. THis to me indicates the bubble is here in our upper grades. Some of these elementary schools have a boat load of empty seats starting with Peterson.
Shouldn't we be looking at consolidating some of these to save on operating costs?
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Post by macrockett on Sept 2, 2009 12:23:34 GMT -6
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Post by refbasics on Sept 2, 2009 16:30:06 GMT -6
I have been going through these documents and the elementary school operating at 100% is Longwood. Followed by 90% capasity at Welch & Young. All the other elementary operate 89% or less. THis to me indicates the bubble is here in our upper grades. Some of these elementary schools have a boat load of empty seats starting with Peterson. Shouldn't we be looking at consolidating some of these to save on operating costs? ----------------------------------- FROM THE GREEN BLOG gatordog 9.2.09 ..."One interesting thing to me: This long term trend suggests to me that adding an addition on to NV was not the best solution to address the HS overcrowding. It would have left us with little flexiblity. With the chosen way, if enrollment (particulary in south) levels or flattens, closing NV Gold is the way out. However, if enrollments and developments pick back up, we are still OK because then keep NV Gold open. (this latter scenario, with some growth resuming in the next decade into NV attendance area, is what I think will happen). To me this is encouraging: there is no evidence showing long-term boundary adjustments would be required. We all agree, and know first hand, boundary adjustments are painful and have a cost to students and families. We sure want to avoid them if possible."--------------------- i would say not ALL boundary adustments are painful.... parents would WANT to be assigned to a CLOSER school, i would think!  |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 2, 2009 18:57:47 GMT -6
I have been going through these documents and the elementary school operating at 100% is Longwood. Followed by 90% capasity at Welch & Young. All the other elementary operate 89% or less. THis to me indicates the bubble is here in our upper grades. Some of these elementary schools have a boat load of empty seats starting with Peterson. Shouldn't we be looking at consolidating some of these to save on operating costs? ----------------------------------- FROM THE GREEN BLOG gatordog 9.2.09 ..."One interesting thing to me: This long term trend suggests to me that adding an addition on to NV was not the best solution to address the HS overcrowding. It would have left us with little flexiblity. With the chosen way, if enrollment (particulary in south) levels or flattens, closing NV Gold is the way out. However, if enrollments and developments pick back up, we are still OK because then keep NV Gold open. (this latter scenario, with some growth resuming in the next decade into NV attendance area, is what I think will happen). To me this is encouraging: there is no evidence showing long-term boundary adjustments would be required. We all agree, and know first hand, boundary adjustments are painful and have a cost to students and families. We sure want to avoid them if possible."--------------------- i would say not ALL boundary adustments are painful.... parents would WANT to be assigned to a CLOSER school, i would think! absolutey- but when someone gets exactly what they wanted from day 1 - they miss the fact not everyone feels like they do. |
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Post by blankcheck on Sept 2, 2009 19:42:25 GMT -6
You act as though it is so easy to just "close" a school. What do we then, as a district, with the empty school? With all the property our there, it is not like people will be slamming the door to get into that building - heck do you see a lot of buyers for the land we bought at BB?
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Post by Arch on Sept 2, 2009 19:55:19 GMT -6
You act as though it is so easy to just "close" a school. What do we then, as a district, with the empty school? With all the property our there, it is not like people will be slamming the door to get into that building - heck do you see a lot of buyers for the land we bought at BB? What you do shave off the expense category is the operating costs each year... even if you don't sell it. It obviously does not drop to 0 because there has to be some upkeep, the heat/water on, ensure things don't break, etc... but you're not paying to staff it, for instance... |
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Post by macrockett on Sept 2, 2009 21:07:00 GMT -6
Might as well follow one bad decision with another...at least you can say you are consistent!
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Post by casey on Sept 2, 2009 21:07:26 GMT -6
Look no further than Oswego. Remember, they held off on opening 2 of their new schools to save money. I can't remember the savings but it was a considerable amount (many millions). Operating under-utilized buildings is a considerable cost to the district.
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Post by gatordog on Sept 2, 2009 21:55:36 GMT -6
----------------------------------- FROM THE GREEN BLOG gatordog 9.2.09 ....... absolutey- but when someone gets exactly what they wanted from day 1 - they miss the fact not everyone feels like they do. Shame on you, doc. You know better. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 2, 2009 22:11:49 GMT -6
----------------------------------- FROM THE GREEN BLOG gatordog 9.2.09 ....... absolutey- but when someone gets exactly what they wanted from day 1 - they miss the fact not everyone feels like they do. Shame on you, doc. You know better. Would you personally rather be at NV, MV or WV? |
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Post by rew on Sept 3, 2009 6:23:57 GMT -6
I came from a district that was long standing, the school buuildings had been around forever, but still there were additions/closings etc.
The fact is school populations ebb and flow, due to many factors already stated. I can't predict where enrollment will stand in ten years, let alone twenty yars, too many variables. The district has to provide for the communities students within the resources the community provides.
But let the district be warned, that in these tough economic times, it is hard for the community to sit by and let schools sit half empty - Peterson - vacant- Wheatland, and then pay for portables at Young, and rent preschool space.
BTW, the lovely preschool playground that was put in at Wheatland last spring, at a cost of $40K, has been dismantled.
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Post by Arch on Sept 3, 2009 8:48:07 GMT -6
BTW, the lovely preschool playground that was put in at Wheatland last spring, at a cost of $40K, has been dismantled. If one's care and concern is more that someone got the contract/business to put it in there in the first place with your tax dollars, then there's no problem as the objective was already met... Sad, but some operate like that... |
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Post by asmodeus on Sept 3, 2009 10:38:26 GMT -6
Hopefully they are able to reuse it in another location, but for some reason I doubt it.
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Post by macrockett on Sept 3, 2009 10:57:16 GMT -6
Would anyone like to venture a guess as to how many high schools have closed in Illinois subsequent to construction? No cheating, just guess.
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Post by Arch on Sept 3, 2009 11:23:21 GMT -6
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