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Post by macrockett on May 29, 2009 16:29:43 GMT -6
The District's own enrollment numbers have always been the best indication of capacity needs. Growth in D204, for all intents and purposes is pretty much over. The below pdf is from 08_29_05. winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/08_29_05_EnrollmentProjections.pdf (these are from 2005, under "current" model, it shows the actual enrollment numbers) winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/2008_09ENROLLMENTREPORT022609.pdf (updated actual enrollment figures from 2/26/09) winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/PERMITSbeginning1993.xls (residental permits by neighborhood, subdivision) winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/NapervilleResidentialPermits1999_2009Q1.pdf (residental permits in Naperville, per the city) For Aurora, you can go to City-Data.com Single-family new house construction building permits: 1996: 858 buildings, average cost: $114,300 1997: 908 buildings, average cost: $106,800 1998: 1183 buildings, average cost: $107,800 1999: 1284 buildings, average cost: $97,800 2000: 1030 buildings, average cost: $109,800 2001: 1156 buildings, average cost: $137,900 2002: 1067 buildings, average cost: $112,900 2003: 836 buildings, average cost: $106,900 2004: 843 buildings, average cost: $105,900 2005: 989 buildings, average cost: $137,800 2006: 696 buildings, average cost: $102,600 2007: 338 buildings, average cost: $130,100 |
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Post by macrockett on May 30, 2009 10:22:17 GMT -6
Here are the most recent enrollment projections provided to the District by PMA dated early March of last year, well before the District made the decision to move forward with the third HS, adding capacity for 3000 additional HS students. winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/PMAanalysis2008.pdf |
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Post by doctorwho on May 30, 2009 10:28:48 GMT -6
Here are the most recent enrollment projections provided to the District by PMA dated early March of last year, well before the District made the decision to move forward with the third HS, adding capacity for 3000 additional HS students. winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/PMAanalysis2008.pdfAnd this number was within 100 of what our own committee said since 2001 -- and reiterated again in 2005 --(8800) - so they knew- oh how they knew. They USED the NIU numbers for their own ends....other school districts got wise BEFORE they built on NIU's numbers - why didn't ours ? I hope they are proud - their 'legacy ' will be pissing away $150m in the worst economic times in 70 years - as well as permanently dividing this commuity. |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on May 30, 2009 19:18:27 GMT -6
What am I missing, this info is common knowledge at this point... where might we be going?
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Post by macrockett on May 30, 2009 20:23:43 GMT -6
What am I missing, this info is common knowledge at this point... where might we be going? I wasn't aware you spoke for everyone in District 204 sssm. The point of the information I am posting is for anyone who isn't aware. |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jun 8, 2009 22:57:15 GMT -6
Macrockett,
I don't speak for everyone in the district though I do go back a couple of years and read thru info on both this board and that which is on the green board. What I have gleamed through the tidbits of info. on both boards is the idea that the NIU #'s where wrong. The kicker was all I had to do was ask the Dash what the numbers where going to pan out at. His reply was between 8600-8800 high school students.
I did not have to have put the administration on edge getting FOI forms, My idea is to make a phone call, let the person know what I need, and then let that person present the information.
Of course macrockett us little people try not to step on too many toes to get things done. Some of us little folks also kind of like the educations our kids are getting in this district.
That's not to say we are happy with every nuance within the district... Yet still grateful that our kids get a first class education.
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Post by Arch on Jun 8, 2009 23:17:13 GMT -6
Some simply do not believe what someone posts. Documentation is key.
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Post by refbasics on Jun 9, 2009 7:42:30 GMT -6
Macrockett, I don't speak for everyone in the district though I do go back a couple of years and read thru info on both this board and that which is on the green board. What I have gleamed through the tidbits of info. on both boards is the idea that the NIU #'s where wrong. The kicker was all I had to do was ask the Dash what the numbers where going to pan out at. His reply was between 8600-8800 high school students. I did not have to have put the administration on edge getting FOI forms, My idea is to make a phone call, let the person know what I need, and then let that person present the information. Of course macrockett us little people try not to step on too many toes to get things done. Some of us little folks also kind of like the educations our kids are getting in this district. That's not to say we are happy with every nuance within the district... Yet still grateful that our kids get a first class education. -------------------------- SSSM- when did you put this info on this blog.. i don't recall.  |
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Post by macrockett on Jun 9, 2009 8:06:56 GMT -6
Macrockett, I don't speak for everyone in the district though I do go back a couple of years and read thru info on both this board and that which is on the green board. What I have gleamed through the tidbits of info. on both boards is the idea that the NIU #'s where wrong. The kicker was all I had to do was ask the Dash what the numbers where going to pan out at. His reply was between 8600-8800 high school students. I did not have to have put the administration on edge getting FOI forms, My idea is to make a phone call, let the person know what I need, and then let that person present the information. Of course macrockett us little people try not to step on too many toes to get things done. Some of us little folks also kind of like the educations our kids are getting in this district. That's not to say we are happy with every nuance within the district... Yet still grateful that our kids get a first class education. That is the difference between you and me SSSM, I want to get documents that I can post. Then everyone who does have a question about it can see the answer in print. They don't have to make a phone call and waste people's time. It is done once, with a FOIA. Don't understand how that is "stepping on peoples toes" or "putting people on edge." Everyone has a legal right to information SSSM and government officials have a duty to get it for you when you ask for it. I have no idea what the "little people" comment is about. Perhaps you could explain that... Nor have I ever insinuated anything about the education of my children, in fact I have great respect for our certified and classified personnel. If you have a problem with me personally, here is my number, call be and we can discuss it. 630-416-6441. Of course I have done that on several occassions now and no one takes me up on it. I promise I won't bite. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 9, 2009 8:29:13 GMT -6
Macrockett, I don't speak for everyone in the district though I do go back a couple of years and read thru info on both this board and that which is on the green board. What I have gleamed through the tidbits of info. on both boards is the idea that the NIU #'s where wrong. The kicker was all I had to do was ask the Dash what the numbers where going to pan out at. His reply was between 8600-8800 high school students. I did not have to have put the administration on edge getting FOI forms, My idea is to make a phone call, let the person know what I need, and then let that person present the information. Of course macrockett us little people try not to step on too many toes to get things done. Some of us little folks also kind of like the educations our kids are getting in this district. That's not to say we are happy with every nuance within the district... Yet still grateful that our kids get a first class education. That is the difference between you and me SSSM, I want to get documents that I can post. Then everyone who does have a question about it can see the answer in print. They don't have to make a phone call and waste people's time. It is done once, with a FOIA. Don't understand how that is "stepping on peoples toes" or "putting people on edge." Everyone has a legal right to information SSSM and government officials have a duty to get it for you when you ask for it. I have no idea what the "little people" comment is about. Perhaps you could explain that... Nor have I ever insinuated anything about the education of my children, in fact I have great respect for our certified and classified personnel. If you have a problem with me personally, here is my number, call be and we can discuss it. 630-416-6441. Of course I have done that on several occassions now and no one takes me up on it. I promise I won't bite. SSSM - I also don't get the little people comment ( Randy Newman type jokes aside) - none of the taxpayers in this district are 'little people' although many have been mae to feel that way - in the "we know better than you context from some admin " Please consider this fact - how many times have you read- here, on green or in the paper blogs that Dr D may have had a bonus on getting MVHS open come hell or high water. If the contract does not pan that out - then you don't have to read that any more as we can direct them to the details... And you get to thank the district for your kids education twice a year - at tax time. Being happy with their education and being comfortable with the way some things are run here - are two separate entities in my book.. I am glad to live in the US - but not happy right now with the way Spring field is doing business and has for years - are you ? How is that different. I also don't like the way some civil liberties are being attacked and don't like the lean towards a more socialistic financial system....doesn't say I don't like the country. No different. |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jun 9, 2009 18:35:16 GMT -6
Macrokett, I am not sure I understand your thought process regarding the district moving ahead with a third high school as of March 2008. I attended a highly charged board meeting with regard to boundary changes In Jan. or Feb. of last year. I then attended a NVHS PTSA meeting where Dr. Dash spoke about a great many things including projected high school enrollment of around 8700 kids. Your data on the above site winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/PMAanalysis2008.pdf seems to concur with what the district and many already knew. Are you drawing the conclusion based on the" site stated" that the district should have stopped the completion of the third high school based on the enrollment numbers from March 2008? If so please elaborate as my thought process is that the district knew the enrollment numbers much earlier than what you have proposed. I was also of the understanding that the third high school was a go, once the referendum passed. |
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Post by Arch on Jun 9, 2009 18:52:10 GMT -6
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Post by macrockett on Jun 9, 2009 19:09:41 GMT -6
Macrokett, I am not sure I understand your thought process regarding the district moving ahead with a third high school as of March 2008. I attended a highly charged board meeting with regard to boundary changes In Jan. or Feb. of last year. I then attended a NVHS PTSA meeting where Dr. Dash spoke about a great many things including projected high school enrollment of around 8700 kids. Your data on the above site winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/PMAanalysis2008.pdf seems to concur with what the district and many already knew. Are you drawing the conclusion based on the" site stated" that the district should have stopped the completion of the third high school based on the enrollment numbers from March 2008? If so please elaborate as my thought process is that the district knew the enrollment numbers much earlier than what you have proposed. I was also of the understanding that the third high school was a go, once the referendum passed. SSSM, I don't understand your third and fourth paragraphs. Could you rephrase please? Or ask a specific question. Thanks. |
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Post by macrockett on Jun 9, 2009 19:15:11 GMT -6
We need the space here and now...And how much space was that? |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Jun 9, 2009 19:16:11 GMT -6
Arch,
I was researching 2006 enrollment #'s in an old blog, and low and behold your crystal ball was true. Though I did not find an exact quote regarding projected #'s, your concern and questioning of decreases at the lower grades was intriguing. One statement (I paraphrase) you made regarding the numbers falling by 3% and the cumulative affect it would have on enrollment was most interesting.
Refbasics asked where I posted the comment from Dr. Dash, and to be quite honest I never felt the need to post the 8700 high school number because you (Arch) and DW had covered the subject quite adequately.
Arch a side bar, with regard to real estate and employment and a comment about Detroit's real estate malaise is a must read, especially considering how true much of it is three years later. I only wish your comments and predictions were wrong Arch.
Macrokett,
With a picture of Rodney, I am sure you don't bite. As for giving you a call maybe I will be the first. As for calling an administrator first, I have found it to be a common courtesy as I knew the enrollment number would be asked at the PTSA meeting.
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