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Post by doctorwho on Sept 1, 2009 23:33:44 GMT -6
How many kids did Benet recruit away from 204 recently and for what sports? or JCA or Francis or Rosary ? I also assume you believe they bypass the entrance exam requirement in this theory ? Or do they just recruit smart athletes ?  |
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Post by rew on Sept 2, 2009 5:41:23 GMT -6
Steckdad, you criticize DW for extrapolating his small experience over the whole, so let's hear your numerous examples of recruited student athletes to Benet. You must have lots of examples to back your post.
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 2, 2009 6:00:21 GMT -6
wow, once again you give one or two personal experience examples so it must be true 100% of the time  now I feel you are just looking for an argument..... in the state tourney, those teams do not play each other. no one said they were avoiding them. I never "overlooked" any public HS. I wasn't talking about publics...I don't even remember saying that recruiting was horrible ... 1/ the two examples I have given are 2 more than you have offered up - I am not sure what the heck you are talking about -- 3 of the last 5 matches we had last year in he state playoffs wew : Naperville Central / Downers Grove South and St Charles East -- the other 2 teams were Edwardsville and Mother McAuley... So please show me these examples of how somehow the top teams public vs private are not playing eah other. I am not looking for a fight but you have given not one shred of evidence on anything you claim - zero. I gave you the girls BB @ NV - please give me one. any one |
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Post by Arch on Sept 2, 2009 6:04:04 GMT -6
Not bad... in just 19 months we go from (paraphrased) "I just have little guys, I don't know much about the HS level of things yet" to some end all be all expert on HS sports, who plays who and the secret underground world of recruiting and financial assistance... I admit, I am most impressed.  |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 2, 2009 7:00:55 GMT -6
Not bad... in just 19 months we go from (paraphrased) "I just have little guys, I don't know much about the HS level of things yet" to some end all be all expert on HS sports, who plays who and the secret underground world of recruiting and financial assistance... I admit, I am most impressed. maybe SD with his new found expertise can explain that when I told everyone that the 'scare tactics' being used re: sports and staying at one school over another was complete BS after talking to the leaders of the IHSA who were being held up as the bad guys ( Park district meet IHSA) - why the boundary 'exceptions' that were made here ( closer to 40 than 14 btw - including at least one that was pure sports related - yep parents talk- even when they're not suppsoed to) - are all playing for the schools they stayed at.? I could name names here- but won't for privacy sake- but we know who the kids are and the sports -why aren't they banned from playing as was pitched by the admin at some meetings ? at this point if the SD admin was Pinocchio - that nose would reach to Peoria |
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Post by macrockett on Sept 2, 2009 8:20:21 GMT -6
Steckdad, you criticize DW for extrapolating his small experience over the whole, so let's hear your numerous examples of recruited student athletes to Benet. You must have lots of examples to back your post. rew, i think you misunderstand Steckdad's role on this board, which is to throw FUD at Doc and Arch. There is no original content there.... |
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Post by steckdad on Sept 3, 2009 21:36:13 GMT -6
doc, girls volleyball is so far from the center of the sports world I would quit referencing it like it is an example to be spread over all HS sports.
and arch.. all privates recruit. I don't go to the schools or work for the schools. All I can say is since I was in HS I have seen my friends, and now my friends kids recruited as well as confirmation from certain coaching circles.
this doesn't mean all privates will dominate every sport. there a million reasons and too many variables....
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Post by steckdad on Sept 3, 2009 21:42:39 GMT -6
Not bad... in just 19 months we go from (paraphrased) "I just have little guys, I don't know much about the HS level of things yet" to some end all be all expert on HS sports, who plays who and the secret underground world of recruiting and financial assistance... I admit, I am most impressed. arch, one thing I know about is sports. first hand. you surely know more about a lot of things that go on in 204 and I don't ever challenge that. I challenge your hyper- reactions and the like. I do not challenge your knowledge though. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 3, 2009 21:47:27 GMT -6
Not bad... in just 19 months we go from (paraphrased) "I just have little guys, I don't know much about the HS level of things yet" to some end all be all expert on HS sports, who plays who and the secret underground world of recruiting and financial assistance... I admit, I am most impressed. arch, one thing I know about is sports. first hand. you surely know more about a lot of things that go on in 204 and I don't ever challenge that. I challenge your hyper- reactions and the like. I do not challenge your knowledge though. What's your angle on HS sports then, being that you said your kids are in ES... ? Coach? Affiliated with a school system? Avid Fan? Just curious... |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 3, 2009 21:49:54 GMT -6
doc, girls volleyball is so far from the center of the sports world I would quit referencing it like it is an example to be spread over all HS sports. and arch.. all privates recruit. I don't go to the schools or work for the schools. All I can say is since I was in HS I have seen my friends, and now my friends kids recruited as well as confirmation from certain coaching circles. this doesn't mean all privates will dominate every sport. there a million reasons and too many variables.... I have news for you - volleyball is closer to the center of the sports world than you'd like to believe- it is the #1 scholarship sport satisying title ix my friend - join us in the 21st century - so there is a lot of money in scholarhips being passed out. That's why I use it as a reference point as the whole idea behind recruiting are scholarships- is it not ? No it does not feed a college revenue producing sport - of which only 2 matter - mens football and mens basketball. I have a lot of insight into the world of college football for more reasons than I will list here- and if you are telling me privates recruit any more than large publics, I'll tell you that you are really missing the whole picture. You have people directing those kids from the time they are in 6th grade - boosters from colleges and they ensure they go to the best school for the sport possible. Many times that is a public school - especially in basketball. You think it's a coincidence that Marshall girls program has so many titles - or King basketball ? But you believe what you want to believe |
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Post by steckdad on Sept 3, 2009 22:01:09 GMT -6
arch, one thing I know about is sports. first hand. you surely know more about a lot of things that go on in 204 and I don't ever challenge that. I challenge your hyper- reactions and the like. I do not challenge your knowledge though. What's your angle on HS sports then, being that you said your kids are in ES... ? Coach? Affiliated with a school system? Avid Fan? Just curious... played (hs and college), coached, several friends who have coached high level HS and college sports(won some state championships too) as well as several IHSA referees who are regarded well enough to work state championships in a couple different sports. like I said, you know academics and I know sports. |
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Post by steckdad on Sept 3, 2009 22:04:56 GMT -6
doc, girls volleyball is so far from the center of the sports world I would quit referencing it like it is an example to be spread over all HS sports. and arch.. all privates recruit. I don't go to the schools or work for the schools. All I can say is since I was in HS I have seen my friends, and now my friends kids recruited as well as confirmation from certain coaching circles. this doesn't mean all privates will dominate every sport. there a million reasons and too many variables.... I have news for you - volleyball is closer to the center of the sports world than you'd like to believe- it is the #1 scholarship sport satisying title ix my friend - join us in the 21st century - so there is a lot of money in scholarhips being passed out. That's why I use it as a reference point as the whole idea behind recruiting are scholarships- is it not ? No it does not feed a college revenue producing sport - of which only 2 matter - mens football and mens basketball. I have a lot of insight into the world of college football for more reasons than I will list here- and if you are telling me privates recruit any more than large publics, I'll tell you that you are really missing the whole picture. You have people directing those kids from the time they are in 6th grade - boosters from colleges and they ensure they go to the best school for the sport possible. Many times that is a public school - especially in basketball. You think it's a coincidence that Marshall girls program has so many titles - or King basketball ? But you believe what you want to believe again...I never said that publics don't recruit. I said the privates have an advantage. they have more to offer. pretty basic idea. btw...ever hear of Oak Hill Academy? best HS basketball program in the country for the last 20 years or so. private. many D1 players and even pros. kinda tops marshall girls bball..... |
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Post by Arch on Sept 3, 2009 22:06:23 GMT -6
What's your angle on HS sports then, being that you said your kids are in ES... ? Coach? Affiliated with a school system? Avid Fan? Just curious... played (hs and college), coached, several friends who have coached high level HS and college sports(won some state championships too) as well as several IHSA referees who are regarded well enough to work state championships in a couple different sports. like I said, you know academics and I know sports. Hey, that's cool. I appreciate you sharing. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 3, 2009 22:15:41 GMT -6
What's your angle on HS sports then, being that you said your kids are in ES... ? Coach? Affiliated with a school system? Avid Fan? Just curious... played (hs and college), coached, several friends who have coached high level HS and college sports(won some state championships too) as well as several IHSA referees who are regarded well enough to work state championships in a couple different sports. like I said, you know academics and I know sports. yet with that many sports connections still got behind the 204 party line that staying @ another school in the district would make one inelligble for competiton - when you should have known the attendance was based on the SD call- simple calls to the UEC and IHSA would have confirmed - why ? knowing that many coaches - they had to know the outcome.. the coaches I knew did, both HS and college coaches. Also knowing that many coaches you should have also been aware of the largest volume of female athletic scholarships at many universities comes from the sport you view as irrelevent. Between NCAA - NAIA and NJCAA a very high % of schools have women's VB - hence the total number of scholarhips / grants I am not saying you don't know anything, but you view seems somewhat skewed for some reason. I too have been around sports my whole life and played in college as well. The 'elie' college bound - revenue producing sport athletes IMHO are far more directed by college boosters than by HS boosters. More to oofer many time shas nothing to do with tuition etc. it has to do with state title opportunities - and neither private nor public has any monopoly on that |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 3, 2009 22:24:16 GMT -6
I have news for you - volleyball is closer to the center of the sports world than you'd like to believe- it is the #1 scholarship sport satisying title ix my friend - join us in the 21st century - so there is a lot of money in scholarhips being passed out. That's why I use it as a reference point as the whole idea behind recruiting are scholarships- is it not ? No it does not feed a college revenue producing sport - of which only 2 matter - mens football and mens basketball. I have a lot of insight into the world of college football for more reasons than I will list here- and if you are telling me privates recruit any more than large publics, I'll tell you that you are really missing the whole picture. You have people directing those kids from the time they are in 6th grade - boosters from colleges and they ensure they go to the best school for the sport possible. Many times that is a public school - especially in basketball. You think it's a coincidence that Marshall girls program has so many titles - or King basketball ? But you believe what you want to believe again...I never said that publics don't recruit. I said the privates have an advantage. they have more to offer. pretty basic idea. btw...ever hear of Oak Hill Academy? best HS basketball program in the country for the last 20 years or so. private. many D1 players and even pros. kinda tops marshall girls bball..... btes HS program in Illinois for 15-20 years -- King HS - Landon Sonny Cox -- what to offer-? Pipeline to major college programs - benefactors who covered AAU expenses -- seems like the same benefits to me ? Marshall Commando's with 9 state titles under Dorothy Gators - pretty damn good. My wife was involved with the McDonalds All American basketball team for years and we attended all the games and were close to the players - coaches all weekend. Vast majority from public schools - if what you said was true that would not be the case. Why did Kevin Garnett play for Farragut his one year here and not for a private school ? Because Ronnie Fields was @ Farragut - that's why. Farragut gave him the biggest stage. |
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