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Post by warriordiva on Oct 25, 2009 18:54:19 GMT -6
So we have all this talk about the perceived differences between Neuqua and Waubonsie - well take a closer look at your newest middle school. No risers, no choir folders, not even lanyards that say "Fischer" most teachers are still wearing "Still", textbooks delayed in delivery, lots of po'd parents. Hmmm - parity? I say not.
Lots of issues over there that the district is conveniently ignoring. I guess all that matters is the glorious opening of our 3rd high school...
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 25, 2009 23:46:56 GMT -6
So we have all this talk about the perceived differences between Neuqua and Waubonsie - well take a closer look at your newest middle school. No risers, no choir folders, not even lanyards that say "Fischer" most teachers are still wearing "Still", textbooks delayed in delivery, lots of po'd parents. Hmmm - parity? I say not. Lots of issues over there that the district is conveniently ignoring. I guess all that matters is the glorious opening of our 3rd high school... It is all that has mattered for the past few years- you'd have thunk they built a stairway to heaven there - now for the next 2 decades the taxpayers here will be sucked dry by that same unnecessary building - if the SB members were looking to leave a legacy - the tax debt will be that legacy, not the school |
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Post by Arch on Oct 25, 2009 23:54:21 GMT -6
So we have all this talk about the perceived differences between Neuqua and Waubonsie - well take a closer look at your newest middle school. No risers, no choir folders, not even lanyards that say "Fischer" most teachers are still wearing "Still", textbooks delayed in delivery, lots of po'd parents. Hmmm - parity? I say not. Lots of issues over there that the district is conveniently ignoring. I guess all that matters is the glorious opening of our 3rd high school... It is all that has mattered for the past few years- you'd have thunk they built a stairway to heaven there - now for the next 2 decades the taxpayers here will be sucked dry by that same unnecessary building - if the SB members were looking to leave a legacy - the tax debt will be that legacy, not the school The architects will already have been done using the system for their kids when the dust settles... they can move on... |
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Post by casey on Oct 26, 2009 6:18:53 GMT -6
But moving back to your real issue, Fischer Middle School....what are the district's plans? Will you have the risers, choir folders, etc.? What is being said? At this date to have textbooks still delayed in delivery? That's unacceptable. Unfortunately, Fischer's problems are being overshadowed by the bigger issues at hand but they're still legit problems that need to be addressed.
For what it's worth, when one is calculating the true costs of MV don't forget to add in the start-up costs and admin costs of opening Fischer. Had we not opened the unneeded 3rd HS we'd still have a freshman center there and wouldn't have the costs of Fischer. I don't know what that cost is but then again, we don't know what any costs truly are.
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Post by Arch on Oct 26, 2009 6:23:16 GMT -6
My guess is they'll use a line like: "Well, if you want these addressed then you have to pass the operating referendum."
... and since these problems won't be listed on the ballot specifically, there's no guarantee they will be.
Just keep politely hounding the Admin day after day until they are sick of being reminded through email, phone and in person for public comment. Really nothing else to be done save for a LTE for the embarrassment factor.
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Post by kidsfirst on Oct 26, 2009 12:25:22 GMT -6
Had we not opened the unneeded 3rd HS we'd still have a freshman center there and wouldn't have the costs of Fischer. Uh, we still needed another MS and would have had start up costs for that even if we chose to add on to the HS's. Granted, we wouldn't have had to sell the BB land we now have, but there still would have been start up costs. |
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Post by brant on Oct 26, 2009 14:15:55 GMT -6
So we have all this talk about the perceived differences between Neuqua and Waubonsie - well take a closer look at your newest middle school. No risers, no choir folders, not even lanyards that say "Fischer" most teachers are still wearing "Still", textbooks delayed in delivery, lots of po'd parents. Hmmm - parity? I say not. Lots of issues over there that the district is conveniently ignoring. I guess all that matters is the glorious opening of our 3rd high school... I have heard of lack of needed supplies. What I find interesting is two SB members live within Fischers boundaries. MM (Steck) and CV(McCarty) Apparently the complaints haven't reached their ears. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 26, 2009 14:19:12 GMT -6
So we have all this talk about the perceived differences between Neuqua and Waubonsie - well take a closer look at your newest middle school. No risers, no choir folders, not even lanyards that say "Fischer" most teachers are still wearing "Still", textbooks delayed in delivery, lots of po'd parents. Hmmm - parity? I say not. Lots of issues over there that the district is conveniently ignoring. I guess all that matters is the glorious opening of our 3rd high school... I have heard of lack of needed supplies. What I find interesting is two SB members live within Fischers boundaries. MM (Steck) and CV(McCarty) Apparently the complaints haven't reached their ears. Lack of corrective action does not always mean that they've not heard of it. |
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Post by falcon on Oct 26, 2009 16:20:54 GMT -6
Fischer opened without phones, including no attendance line the first day. Phones still weren't working correctly as of curriculum night, though I think the district finally got around to them.
No lights were in the parking lot until at least a month into school. Not sure if they can use the smart boards yet, but last I heard they still did not have them completely installed. The music department is holding a fundraiser to buy supplies. I hope it works.
The library looks empty, but I've been told it's a complete middle school library.
The school administration was given very little time to get things together. They left Still in June, and had less than two months to prepare for the new school. As for the district, Metea is the focus.
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Post by macrockett on Oct 26, 2009 22:43:17 GMT -6
Had we not opened the unneeded 3rd HS we'd still have a freshman center there and wouldn't have the costs of Fischer. Uh, we still needed another MS and would have had start up costs for that even if we chose to add on to the HS's. Granted, we wouldn't have had to sell the BB land we now have, but there still would have been start up costs. If you think we needed another middle school kidsfirst, show us your numbers. Just like the issue with the third HS, we needed a limited number of seats, at most, not 1200 at the MS level. In fact, we peaked at the middle school level last year using the Districts own numbers. If we had added space on to existing MS buildings at a fraction of the cost, as survey respondents favored, not only would be not have excess space at the MS level, we wouldn't have a need for the additional administrative costs of a 7th MS either. Imagine that. Here are my facts, the Districts numbers. winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/Enrollment9_2_2009.pdf (using recent enrollment figures) winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/HS_EnrollmentNumberThroughFY2017.pdf (this one shows capacity utilization each year, again using the District's numbers) Feel free to post yours. |
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Post by slp on Oct 27, 2009 8:45:55 GMT -6
Had we not opened the unneeded 3rd HS we'd still have a freshman center there and wouldn't have the costs of Fischer. Uh, we still needed another MS and would have had start up costs for that even if we chose to add on to the HS's. Granted, we wouldn't have had to sell the BB land we now have, but there still would have been start up costs. yes, Scullen was crowded so I know we needed to free up some space there but now the kids say Still is almost empty. Will that be the case for several more years? |
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Post by rew on Oct 27, 2009 10:59:46 GMT -6
MA Crockett, why does the district's capacity utilization still use the "old" capacity?? The MS capacity should be 8200 (adding Fischer) and the HS capacity should be 10200 ( removing WVGold and adding MVHS) Recalculating utilization using the numbers provided, but reflecting the new capacities of MVHS and Fischer... 09/10 MS 83% HS 87% 10/11 MS 82% HS 89% 11/12 MS 82% HS 90% 12/13 MS 82% HS 90% 13/14 MS 81% HS 88% 14/15 MS 77% HS 88% 15/16 MS ---- HS 88% 16/17 MS ---- HS 86% 17/18 MS ---- HS 84% I stopped crunching the MS numbers at 2015, because the current K year for 2009/2010 calculations and beyond are guesstimates, not real enrollment numbers. Yes , slp, it appears MS enrollment peaked this year, assuming no new growth. |
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Post by rew on Oct 27, 2009 11:30:55 GMT -6
The district has stated that they consider 90% utilization "optimal".
Using these enrollment numbers and, again, assuming no new growth, the district would want to do away with NV Gold and close a MS. That would leave us at 90% utilization.
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 27, 2009 12:37:47 GMT -6
The district has stated that they consider 90% utilization "optimal". Using these enrollment numbers and, again, assuming no new growth, the district would want to do away with NV Gold and close a MS. That would leave us at 90% utilization. also remember the district has 'tweaked' the capacity numbers using 80% of the original capacity numbers they posted when 'selling' the freshman centers -- so 90% of 80% is what we are really talking here... the spin on numbers depending on what they are selling is amazing |
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Post by rew on Oct 27, 2009 19:56:35 GMT -6
Do you have any documents showing different capacity, I'd be interested.
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