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Post by gatormom on Jan 3, 2008 18:15:23 GMT -6
I don't really recall a lot of empathy being asked for until a northern site came up. I didn't see a lot of empathy for BD and GOM with the BB site. There were just asked to take one for the team. I can understand that comment with respect to GOM (as they were being asked to leave WVHS) but how was BD "taking one for the team" by being able to stay 'as is'. Most areas would love being able to stay 'as is'. Because every ES that feeds into Hill was going to MV and BD became an island from Hill going to WV. Yes BD was asked to take one for the team with BB. |
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Post by slp on Jan 3, 2008 18:28:07 GMT -6
I can understand that comment with respect to GOM (as they were being asked to leave WVHS) but how was BD "taking one for the team" by being able to stay 'as is'. Most areas would love being able to stay 'as is'. Because every ES that feeds into Hill was going to MV and BD became an island from Hill going to WV. Yes BD was asked to take one for the team with BB. It is my understanding that the middle school boundaries were to be addressed as a separate issue (at a later date) and that the BD/Hill issue would be looked at at that time. FWIW, Welch is the only ES school at Scullen going onto NVHS (under BB boundary; Both WE and Fry were going to MV) |
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Post by gatordog on Jan 3, 2008 19:02:44 GMT -6
Time and time again you've pointed out how unfair that is. I'm not sure whether or not that was a criteria and should be in any decision that the SB will make. To be fair, I've never heard anyone from the SB point to that fact as to why we should not attend a HS in close proximity. Are you implying we should be moved to a farther location in terms of HS assignment because of the fact Fry and Scullen are within the TG/Pencross Knoll areas? I'm interested in just how far away from the closest high school is fair enough in your judgement to balance out the elementary and middle school placement within the subdivision? How can that criteria be fairly applied throughout the district? ETA: Looking at the district map assuming WVHS Gold becomes a middle school, are you saying that Georgetown should be moved to a high school that's farther away than WVHS? yes I very much like the 2 or 3 "neighborhood" ES/MS/HS fairness criteria. As a tiebreaker when faced with difficult assignment choices. Dont take it to an absurd point and try to make it a primary consideration. (and actually per your Georgetown example....about 1/2 of the Gtown attendance area is west of Eola and does not have one of those highly desirable neighborhood ES's. This neighborhood in fact is treated exactly fairly in my book..not overserved.) Let me give you real world examples, the BB HS assigments. -I think BD was treated in fair and reasonable way (even though they got second choice HS) because they have local ES and MS. -I think Fry was treated in fair and reasonable way when they, not Springbrook, got the BB assignment for the same reason. You see, its a reasonable tiebreaker when faced with tough calls. I think this will be a useful criteria when thinking about MS boundaries. If SB hasnt been formally using it, I do believe I will suggest it to them for their consideration. |
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Post by gatormom on Jan 3, 2008 19:03:42 GMT -6
Because every ES that feeds into Hill was going to MV and BD became an island from Hill going to WV. Yes BD was asked to take one for the team with BB. It is my understanding that the middle school boundaries were to be addressed as a separate issue (at a later date) and that the BD/Hill issue would be looked at at that time. FWIW, Welch is the only ES school at Scullen going onto NVHS (under BB boundary; Both WE and Fry were going to MV) So Welch was asked to take one for the district as well? Would they have preferred going to MV at BB with TG and WE? I don't recall hearing that. I have no sympathy for BD with the way they acted during the boundary hearings or overwhelmingly voting against the referendum but they were asked to take one for the district. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 3, 2008 19:11:38 GMT -6
I don't really recall a lot of empathy being asked for until a northern site came up. I didn't see a lot of empathy for BD and GOM with the BB site. There were just asked to take one for the team. I can understand that comment with respect to GOM (as they were being asked to leave WVHS) but how was BD "taking one for the team" by being able to stay 'as is'. Most areas would love being able to stay 'as is'. In addition to what GatorMom has already stated, they were denied the chance to go to a closer school. Driving is distance has been discussed a few times on this forum as being an important criteria to some. And, yes, I know that there's a small difference between getting a longer commute and not getting a shorter commute, but in the end they are pretty much the same thing. |
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Post by macy on Jan 3, 2008 19:12:44 GMT -6
Time and time again you've pointed out how unfair that is. I'm not sure whether or not that was a criteria and should be in any decision that the SB will make. To be fair, I've never heard anyone from the SB point to that fact as to why we should not attend a HS in close proximity. Are you implying we should be moved to a farther location in terms of HS assignment because of the fact Fry and Scullen are within the TG/Pencross Knoll areas? I'm interested in just how far away from the closest high school is fair enough in your judgement to balance out the elementary and middle school placement within the subdivision? How can that criteria be fairly applied throughout the district? ETA: Looking at the district map assuming WVHS Gold becomes a middle school, are you saying that Georgetown should be moved to a high school that's farther away than WVHS? yes I very much like the 2 or 3 "neighborhood" ES/MS/HS fairness criteria. As a tiebreaker when faced with difficult assignment choices. Dont take it to an absurd point and try to make it a primary consideration. (and actually per your Georgetown example....about 1/2 of the Gtown attendance area is west of Eola and does not have one of those highly desirable neighborhood ES's. This neighborhood in fact is treated exactly fairly in my book..not overserved.) Let me give you real world examples, the BB HS assigments. -I think BD was treated in fair and reasonable way (even though they got second choice HS) because they have local ES and MS. -I think Fry was treated in fair and reasonable way when they, not Springbrook, got the BB assignment for the same reason. You see, its a reasonable tiebreaker when faced with tough calls. I think this will be a useful criteria when thinking about MS boundaries. If SB hasnt been formally using it, I do believe I will suggest it to them for their consideration. So it's a "reasonable" tie breaker? Would you apply the same criteria to a neighborhood that has an elementary and high school within walking distance? I'm not in agreement at all with you on this point. It's my opinion, you cannot possibly apply it fairly universally throughout the district. Here's yet another example of a neighborhood elementary and middle school... Clow. Same criteria no? In my opinion,this criteria can be subjectively applied. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 3, 2008 19:14:53 GMT -6
Time and time again you've pointed out how unfair that is. I'm not sure whether or not that was a criteria and should be in any decision that the SB will make. To be fair, I've never heard anyone from the SB point to that fact as to why we should not attend a HS in close proximity. Are you implying we should be moved to a farther location in terms of HS assignment because of the fact Fry and Scullen are within the TG/Pencross Knoll areas? I'm interested in just how far away from the closest high school is fair enough in your judgement to balance out the elementary and middle school placement within the subdivision? How can that criteria be fairly applied throughout the district? ETA: Looking at the district map assuming WVHS Gold becomes a middle school, are you saying that Georgetown should be moved to a high school that's farther away than WVHS? yes I very much like the 2 or 3 "neighborhood" ES/MS/HS fairness criteria. As a tiebreaker when faced with difficult assignment choices. Dont take it to an absurd point and try to make it a primary consideration. (and actually per your Georgetown example....about 1/2 of the Gtown attendance area is west of Eola and does not have one of those highly desirable neighborhood ES's. This neighborhood in fact is treated exactly fairly in my book..not overserved.) Let me give you real world examples, the BB HS assigments. -I think BD was treated in fair and reasonable way (even though they got second choice HS) because they have local ES and MS. -I think Fry was treated in fair and reasonable way when they, not Springbrook, got the BB assignment for the same reason. You see, its a reasonable tiebreaker when faced with tough calls. I think this will be a useful criteria when thinking about MS boundaries. If SB hasnt been formally using it, I do believe I will suggest it to them for their consideration. Since we only have an ES within earshot I can understand how this criteria would be at least looked at. So when looking at BD - would they then not be overserved with a local Es - a local MS and the closest HS if it was put north ? |
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 3, 2008 19:36:27 GMT -6
I can understand that comment with respect to GOM (as they were being asked to leave WVHS) but how was BD "taking one for the team" by being able to stay 'as is'. Most areas would love being able to stay 'as is'. In addition to what GatorMom has already stated, they were denied the chance to go to a closer school. Driving is distance has been discussed a few times on this forum as being an important criteria to some. And, yes, I know that there's a small difference between getting a longer commute and not getting a shorter commute, but in the end they are pretty much the same thing. Yes it is important but I do not believe it was the issue in that situation. Don't want to confuse a small change with ones that would be double an already long commute. They were never asked to make the longest commute -BB was somewhat closer - just like NV is somewhat closer to me than WVHS but we were never part of that discussion either. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 3, 2008 19:42:55 GMT -6
In addition to what GatorMom has already stated, they were denied the chance to go to a closer school. Driving is distance has been discussed a few times on this forum as being an important criteria to some. And, yes, I know that there's a small difference between getting a longer commute and not getting a shorter commute, but in the end they are pretty much the same thing. Yes it is important but I do not believe it was the issue in that situation. Don't want to confuse a small change with ones that would be double an already long commute. They were never asked to make the longest commute -BB was somewhat closer - just like NV is somewhat closer to me than WVHS but we were never part of that discussion either. Unless I'm missing something, the average MW resident would not be doubling their commute from WV, with an AME commute. I DO understand how some people could have their commute increased by some amount, in the 1-2 mile range. |
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Post by EagleDad on Jan 3, 2008 19:48:18 GMT -6
I can understand that comment with respect to GOM (as they were being asked to leave WVHS) but how was BD "taking one for the team" by being able to stay 'as is'. Most areas would love being able to stay 'as is'. In addition to what GatorMom has already stated, they were denied the chance to go to a closer school. Driving is distance has been discussed a few times on this forum as being an important criteria to some. And, yes, I know that there's a small difference between getting a longer commute and not getting a shorter commute, but in the end they are pretty much the same thing. Just curious, how much closer is BD to BB than WVHS? 20 feet? You go down 59 and either go west on ogden to eola or continue to 75th |
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Post by slp on Jan 3, 2008 19:51:21 GMT -6
It is my understanding that the middle school boundaries were to be addressed as a separate issue (at a later date) and that the BD/Hill issue would be looked at at that time. FWIW, Welch is the only ES school at Scullen going onto NVHS (under BB boundary; Both WE and Fry were going to MV) So Welch was asked to take one for the district as well? Would they have preferred going to MV at BB with TG and WE? I don't recall hearing that. I have no sympathy for BD with the way they acted during the boundary hearings or overwhelmingly voting against the referendum but they were asked to take one for the district. I apologize if this posts twice. I posted and the post never appeared so I'll try again. I know many from Welch and I have never gotten the impression that they feel they "took one for the team". They wanted to stay 'as is' and remain at NVHS and they were happy they were able to. As far as them being the only ES at Scullen going onto NVHS (as WE and Fry were both to attend the new MV at BB), I have not heard that Welch is upset. My guess is that they are of the understanding that ms boundary changes would re-visit that issue. (as was stated by the board for all ms boundaries) This appears to put Welch in the exact same position as BD....able to stay at existing hs but are the only ES at their ms feeding into hs.... and yet we have not heard much unhappiness from Welch but we do from BD. |
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Post by gatordog on Jan 3, 2008 19:57:15 GMT -6
Add on to that everyone pointing their immediate guns at reboundaring WE out of Scullen (Gatordogs northen site ooptions seemed to take that as a given) and we'd be taking two for the team  we will of course discuss this more when time comes but.... my thinking had WE in a "dream" situation in that they can quite easily fit in any of THREE MS's. The distance would be almost exactly the same. From geography perspective, the choices are interchangable, are they not? A boundary-spreadsheet-geek's dream come true! ;D After what we have been through, and likely will soon be redoing....will WE be going on the warpath over a different MS assignment?  I truly saw it as a non-issue. You'd have a long way to go to convince me that this is much of an issue. The major issue is to get split MS's (however many their are) to be approx 50/50 split. THAT is the issue to work on. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 3, 2008 20:01:06 GMT -6
In addition to what GatorMom has already stated, they were denied the chance to go to a closer school. Driving is distance has been discussed a few times on this forum as being an important criteria to some. And, yes, I know that there's a small difference between getting a longer commute and not getting a shorter commute, but in the end they are pretty much the same thing. Just curious, how much closer is BD to BB than WVHS? 20 feet? You go down 59 and either go west on ogden to eola or continue to 75th Looks like 1.5 miles to me, including crossing train tracks (if Ogden is taken). |
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Post by slp on Jan 3, 2008 20:09:10 GMT -6
Just curious, how much closer is BD to BB than WVHS? 20 feet? You go down 59 and either go west on ogden to eola or continue to 75th Looks like 1.5 miles to me, including crossing train tracks (if Ogden is taken). If it were me... For an increased distance of only 1.5 miles I would choose to stay at my established high school and not move my kids to a new facility with all of the 'start ups' required of a new facility. That would be a no-brainer for me. If the increased distance were more substantial then you have a point. |
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Post by EagleDad on Jan 3, 2008 20:16:02 GMT -6
yep it's about a mile and a half - further than I though when I mapped it out.
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