D204 to reveal proposed Metea boundaries Feb. 12

[refbasics]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

refbasics said:

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thank you for the info!

Just moving to this area in 2001, i had no clue about anything, especially hi school.. since i had younger kids(& we thought we would be moving again in a couple years).

i didn't even know that WVHS was in SD 204!! i thought it was a school for kids who lived in aurora.

i, often, drove by it because we lived on eola while building our house. AND i thought, what a great looking school- it looks like a small college! (you should have seen where i went to hi school!! ;D )

i did not know there was a 'ruckus' about WV until i went to a REF meeting, and a SB member told me(& the small group i was with) that the real estate agents did not have a good impression of WV! i was very surprised, to say the least!

Please don't put all the blame on all the real estate agents. They have to sit in a car with a buyer that says, "My neighbor's first cousin's aunt said that WV is bad....I want to look at homes in Neuqua." Then the agents have to put that fear to rest...at least they should be doing that or they could lose their license. I'm not saying there aren't some Realtors out there doing it. WV held a great tour for all the Realtors to go and view WV so obviously someone thinks they are doing it. But this image of WV is put forth by lots of people all over the place unfortunately, not just Realtors.

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from sleepless- ...."Please don't put all the blame on all the real estate agents.."

... but it wasn't ME who put the blame on the real estate agents... it was a SB member.. i was new in 'town' just trying to inform myself about the REF.

[researching]

doctorwho said:

now for some reason there is a need to have it be the NEW WVHS and New Warriors, a concept that I must admit irks me to no end.

I think it is rude and insulting to the current WV students and parents.

When pouring over different information relative to the boundary discussion I confirmed what I already thought...we live in an amazing area. To look at the achievements of our schools I was amazed at how tight the achievement "gap" is. To imply that we need a new WV is obnoxious.

[refbasics]

rew said:

There is a long history of battles over the south and a lot of it revolves around Macom. Hence all the baggage.

I can remember as clear as a bell HC begging the city council not to rezone the area for Tallgrass. It was zoned for office parks and HC referred to the development as a monster that would break Neuqua's back. High Meadow was another battle for annexation and they battled for South Pointe and it was the one time I remember the city holding the line.

It wasn't an easy time. We were glad to have nice homes being built. It was good for the area, but we were battling a SD admin that refused to even discuss a third HS. Wouldn't let the ref com, that eventually backed the frosh ctrs idea, even consider it.

Many of us were shocked when they rezoned for Ashwood.

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from rew:

,,,"HC referred to the development (Tallgrass) as a monster that would break Neuqua's back." ......HC was right!

the only 'weapon' the SD has is to assign a development to a far away school that has space for new students(probably a more mature development where the students have moved up and out(of high school), and the parents have not moved away, or downsized).

[sleeplessinnpvl]

refbasics said:

sleeplessinnpvl said:

Please don't put all the blame on all the real estate agents. They have to sit in a car with a buyer that says, "My neighbor's first cousin's aunt said that WV is bad....I want to look at homes in Neuqua." Then the agents have to put that fear to rest...at least they should be doing that or they could lose their license. I'm not saying there aren't some Realtors out there doing it. WV held a great tour for all the Realtors to go and view WV so obviously someone thinks they are doing it. But this image of WV is put forth by lots of people all over the place unfortunately, not just Realtors.

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from sleepless- ...."Please don't put all the blame on all the real estate agents.."

... but it wasn't ME who put the blame on the real estate agents... it was a SB member.. i was new in 'town' just trying to inform myself about the REF.

I know. Again, I was mad at the fact that a SB member grouped all the Realtors together and assumes they all do that. You were just the bearer of this bad news. I don't blame you! The SB likes to put blame on lots of people for this situation. It doesn't matter who does it. This false reputation is out there and the SB does nothing to decrease the perceptions.

[refbasics]

researching said:

doctorwho said:

now for some reason there is a need to have it be the NEW WVHS and New Warriors, a concept that I must admit irks me to no end.

I think it is rude and insulting to the current WV students and parents.

When pouring over different information relative to the boundary discussion I confirmed what I already thought...we live in an amazing area. To look at the achievements of our schools I was amazed at how tight the achievement "gap" is. To imply that we need a new WV is obnoxious.

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i agree, also!!

[WeBe204]

refbasics said:

rew said:

There is a long history of battles over the south and a lot of it revolves around Macom. Hence all the baggage.

I can remember as clear as a bell HC begging the city council not to rezone the area for Tallgrass. It was zoned for office parks and HC referred to the development as a monster that would break Neuqua's back. High Meadow was another battle for annexation and they battled for South Pointe and it was the one time I remember the city holding the line.

It wasn't an easy time. We were glad to have nice homes being built. It was good for the area, but we were battling a SD admin that refused to even discuss a third HS. Wouldn't let the ref com, that eventually backed the frosh ctrs idea, even consider it.

Many of us were shocked when they rezoned for Ashwood.

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from rew:

,,,"HC referred to the development (Tallgrass) as a monster that would break Neuqua's back." ......HC was right!

the only 'weapon' the SD has is to assign a development to a far away school that has space for new students(probably a more mature development where the students have moved up and out(of high school), and the parents have not moved away, or downsized).

Or they could sit on their hands with a superintendent who kept saying no third hs on my watch. And mess around with gold campuses instead of building the school awhile ago. I think that was the option right? Or, they could take on a trust with deep pockets and had real land experts and real lawyers. to court. That has worked well for them.

[rocky]

I have spent way too many hours trying to figure out the best, most equitable boundaries based on the Ames MV site. The result…. there is no solution that will not really screw over at least one community.

However, all my analysis included keeping Welch at NV. An earlier poster got me thinking (and analyzing).

My conclusion… if you move Welch to Still/WV, I believe all the problem issues in the south are solved. Here is the resultant makeup of NV:

NV (~3,600 students or 40% of the total enrollment)

• Clow (~500)
  
• Springbrook (~680)
  
• Builta (~710)
  

Crone (~900)

• Graham (~720)
  
• Kendall (~740)
  
• Peterson (~350)
  

Scullen (~830)

• Fry (~870)
  
• Patterson (~780)
  

I am not completely familiar with the area, but I do know that most of Welch is comprised of the Stillwater neighborhood which, in my opinion is not that close to NV. Perhaps the small neighborhood directly across 95th street from NV could stay at NV, but the majority of Welch students (Stillwater) could go to WV.

What do you think? I welcome all comments and criticism (also check my math). Like I said, I’m searching for the best plan…. this is better than anything I’ve seen or come up with yet.

If you all agree that I’ve solved the NV issue, I will then turn my attention to the North. With a special interest in solving the Doctor’s problem.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

rocky said:

I have spent way too many hours trying to figure out the best, most equitable boundaries based on the Ames MV site. The result…. there is no solution that will not really screw over at least one community.

However, all my analysis included keeping Welch at NV. An earlier poster got me thinking (and analyzing).

My conclusion… if you move Welch to Still/WV, I believe all the problem issues in the south are solved. Here is the resultant makeup of NV:

NV (~3,600 students or 40% of the total enrollment)

• Clow (~500)
  
• Springbrook (~680)
  
• Builta (~710)
  

Crone (~900)

• Graham (~720)
  
• Kendall (~740)
  
• Peterson (~350)
  

Scullen (~830)

• Fry (~870)
  
• Patterson (~780)
  

I am not completely familiar with the area, but I do know that most of Welch is comprised of the Stillwater neighborhood which, in my opinion is not that close to NV. Perhaps the small neighborhood directly across 95th street from NV could stay at NV, but the majority of Welch students (Stillwater) could go to WV.

What do you think? I welcome all comments and criticism (also check my math). Like I said, I’m searching for the best plan…. this is better than anything I’ve seen or come up with yet.

If you all agree that I’ve solved the NV issue, I will then turn my attention to the North. With a special interest in solving the Doctor’s problem.

It does make sense and would make alot of posters on this blog happy. Submit it to the board.

edit later: OK, I see one problem with this. All the new growth is in the Builta area and out by Ashwood. This looks great for current population but I'm not sure it could be done for future growth. Will NV be bursting at the seams years from now. Builta is only 710 for a school that I thought was over 1000 capacity. And Petersen is at 350 with a capacity for 600. Am I wrong?

[researching]

rocky said:

I have spent way too many hours trying to figure out the best, most equitable boundaries based on the Ames MV site. The result…. there is no solution that will not really screw over at least one community.

However, all my analysis included keeping Welch at NV. An earlier poster got me thinking (and analyzing).

My conclusion… if you move Welch to Still/WV, I believe all the problem issues in the south are solved. Here is the resultant makeup of NV:

NV (~3,600 students or 40% of the total enrollment)

• Clow (~500)
  
• Springbrook (~680)
  
• Builta (~710)
  

Crone (~900)

• Graham (~720)
  
• Kendall (~740)
  
• Peterson (~350)
  

Scullen (~830)

• Fry (~870)
  
• Patterson (~780)
  

I am not completely familiar with the area, but I do know that most of Welch is comprised of the Stillwater neighborhood which, in my opinion is not that close to NV. Perhaps the small neighborhood directly across 95th street from NV could stay at NV, but the majority of Welch students (Stillwater) could go to WV.

What do you think? I welcome all comments and criticism (also check my math). Like I said, I’m searching for the best plan…. this is better than anything I’ve seen or come up with yet.

If you all agree that I’ve solved the NV issue, I will then turn my attention to the North. With a special interest in solving the Doctor’s problem.

Wow! Good work! It makes sense and the lines are contiguous.
You should definitely send it in!

I think you should get to work on the Doc's problem. We're rooting for you Doc!

[concerned]

Rocky I wish you sat on the SB. Welch to WV solves the souths problems. They are about as equal in numbers as Fry, they are closer to WV, and most importantly we would not have to split MS. WE/Welch to Still with McCarty and then to WV. I understand it would upset an area, but better then upsetting several areas and splitting MS. Just using test scores is not a valid reason to make such moves!!! It is very insulting this "New WV" term.

[confused]

Rocky - this makes a lot of sense. I was thinking of sitting down and trying to work something out this weekend. This is a good perspective. You're right - we need to work out the north. I hope you will submit this to the board! I would think they'd be happy to have minimal split middle schools.

[confused]

Actually to the board and the admin. The admin is accepting proposals until 2/9.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

Rocky, this almost works. But I plugged in numbers from the last referendum which was taking each school at capacity and adding them together and multiplying by 0.67 (don't ask me why). When I do this with the 8 schools you've selected, you have the population at 4221 for a school that holds 4200. I don't think the school district would let those numbers fly. Can someone prove me wrong, because I like this proposal.

[researching]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

rocky said:

I have spent way too many hours trying to figure out the best, most equitable boundaries based on the Ames MV site. The result…. there is no solution that will not really screw over at least one community.

However, all my analysis included keeping Welch at NV. An earlier poster got me thinking (and analyzing).

My conclusion… if you move Welch to Still/WV, I believe all the problem issues in the south are solved. Here is the resultant makeup of NV:

NV (~3,600 students or 40% of the total enrollment)

• Clow (~500)
  
• Springbrook (~680)
  
• Builta (~710)
  

Crone (~900)

• Graham (~720)
  
• Kendall (~740)
  
• Peterson (~350)
  

Scullen (~830)

• Fry (~870)
  
• Patterson (~780)
  

I am not completely familiar with the area, but I do know that most of Welch is comprised of the Stillwater neighborhood which, in my opinion is not that close to NV. Perhaps the small neighborhood directly across 95th street from NV could stay at NV, but the majority of Welch students (Stillwater) could go to WV.

What do you think? I welcome all comments and criticism (also check my math). Like I said, I’m searching for the best plan…. this is better than anything I’ve seen or come up with yet.

If you all agree that I’ve solved the NV issue, I will then turn my attention to the North. With a special interest in solving the Doctor’s problem.

It does make sense and would make alot of posters on this blog happy. Submit it to the board.

edit later: OK, I see one problem with this. All the new growth is in the Builta area and out by Ashwood. This looks great for current population but I'm not sure it could be done for future growth. Will NV be bursting at the seams years from now. Builta is only 710 for a school that I thought was over 1000 capacity. And Petersen is at 350 with a capacity for 600. Am I wrong?

Builta is almost at build out right now. I have many friends in the area and I am there often. As for build out for Peterson, I believe that the SB set the max for NV at 4200 student with WV & MV being 3000 max. So the above figures, including growth, still work.

[researching]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

Rocky, this almost works. But I plugged in numbers from the last referendum which was taking each school at capacity and adding them together and multiplying by 0.67 (don't ask me why). When I do this with the 8 schools you've selected, you have the population at 4221 for a school that holds 4200. I don't think the school district would let those numbers fly.

Remember, the admin. is saying that they are using current numbers this time and I believe projections were used last time.