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Post by warriorpride on Jan 10, 2007 10:03:37 GMT -6
Ban me if you want, but my biggest concern is that by the time this district builds a school, it will be too late for the many children who have endured crowded situations. Enrollment appears to be leveling off. And they will have spent "whatever it takes" to have the high school where many wanted it for selfish puposes (their property values). >> Enrollment is not leveling off Why didn't they just build a middle school on the land they acquired? Wasn't that the original plan?? That's where the need is - at the middle school level. They have delayed a remedy for the middle schools, so they can have their high school that many think we don't even need. By the time we get some relief here (at the middle school level), many children will have suffered. >> "Suffering" is a pretty strong word - if you chose to use it, that's fine, but while the "suffering" is at the middle school level right now, it will be at the high school level in 2 years without the 3rd high school being built. It looks like the Frontier campus is a booming success at the high school level - why don't they just expand that concept? >> "booming success" is another strong word, since the program is 1 year old - let's see. And why is it so wrong for some to disagree with the powers at be on this board?  ? This is America people. >> You and Lacy seem real big on telling us about how you have a right to free speach on this board and how "persecuted" you are. If you contributed to this board instead of doing nothing but 1) complaining; 2) revisiting the VOTE NO company line; and 3) telling people that voted YES how stupid they are and what they should be thinking and doing right now, you might not be as persecuted. |
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Post by lacy on Jan 10, 2007 10:20:00 GMT -6
Warriorpride, I AM Lacy. Secondly, I have never used the word "persecuted", nor have I ever said how "stupid" anyone else is. Get your facts straight.
You say that I don't "contribute", but the real issue is that you don't like my opinions. Tough.
I think they should build the middle school (and get on with it - if I had a 4th or 5th grader I'd be livid). The referendum committee was brought together for purposes of looking at middle school enrollment - and some felt that they were manipulated into deciding on a 3rd high school instead.
And I think they should consider adding onto NVHS and expanding the Frontier concept. Those are my ideas. You have every right to disagree. It doesn't really bother me that you do.
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Post by bob on Jan 10, 2007 10:24:51 GMT -6
On the 2006 referendum?
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 10, 2007 10:36:10 GMT -6
Warriorpride, I AM Lacy. Secondly, I have never used the word "persecuted", nor have I ever said how "stupid" anyone else is. Get your facts straight. You say that I don't "contribute", but the real issue is that you don't like my opinions. Tough. I think they should build the middle school (and get on with it - if I had a 4th or 5th grader I'd be livid). The referendum committee was brought together for purposes of looking at middle school enrollment - and some felt that they were manipulated into deciding on a 3rd high school instead. And I think they should consider adding onto NVHS and expanding the Frontier concept. Those are my ideas. You have every right to disagree. It doesn't really bother me that you do. You have every right to your opinion, however recognize that it is in the minority on this board and also from the last vote..and using all the superlatives in the world and getting huffy about everything, while basically insinuating, all of us who do support the 3rd high school have been somehow duped into that way of thinking will get you nowhere. Most of us who support it strongly here have been heavily involved in the process and there have been no new facts nor new ideas put forth, just the same old ones that were rejected already. We are intelligent people with open minds but proposing items that have already been gone over ( expanding NVHS - when the structure and traffic flow already doesnt work) - and re introducing them is not going to suddenly get us on the bandwagon. The frontier campus looks promising, but again when I quoted directly from the article that says 40% of the kids still attend the main schools also, I get questioned as to where I go those facts. They were part of the same article but since they didn't fit the agenda, they were dismissed... overcrowding is not new, my oldest went thru it at WVHS a number of years ago also, and there were naysayers then who also said we didn't need the room for the freshman centers...they were WRONG. And they were just as against that undertaking. The middle school issue today is part and parcel of the same population group. If the 2 freshman centers did not exist, the middle school bubble would be at the 2 high schools even more than it is today. As far as attendance leveling off, none of the naysayers here ever responded when I gave the example of the Prairie Ridge apartments proposed for Rickert ave, and other similar developments if the Naperville board ( or in those cases the Aurora board) approves rezoning and suddenly another group of 100+ kids gets dropped into the schools. This is continuing at an alarming rate and will continue to cause even more severe crowding issues. These kids would go to Hill which is already overcrowded....why not put some energy towards stopping that instead of beating a dead horse ? When you ask for new ideas, here's one, ensure the city councils do not change any more commercial land to residential, and multi family residential with high concentrations of population. In the most recent issue in Naperville ( that affected 203 not 204) - the deciding vote (5-4) was by a relative of the builder on the board. Want to get excited about something, that would be it to me. |
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Post by gatormom on Jan 10, 2007 10:43:53 GMT -6
And I think they should consider adding onto NVHS and expanding the Frontier concept. Those are my ideas. You have every right to disagree. It doesn't really bother me that you do. Frontier is not for every senior. I was at the SB meeting on Monday. The types of classes and the focus of the program is uniquely targeted at those with the maturity and desire to handle a college campus type of workload. Not all seniors are ready for this type of program. Frontier is only a short term way to relieve some of the overcrowding not a solution to overcrowding. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 10, 2007 10:53:56 GMT -6
>> Sorry, I meant Ann - you two are pretty much two peas in a pod. Neither of you have used those wordd, but you've implied it plenty of times. And while Ann has come out more directly ("have you seriously rested on your vote yes laurels? I hope the SB and district haven't...") you've implied that the wrong decison has been made (i.e. the referendum passed), you're clearly bitter about it, and you're going to continue to tell us that the ideas that VOTE NO was pushing (amonst all of their various and random "ideas", "plans", and "truths") are better - options that the SB actually considered & determined to be insufficient for the long-term.
>> The REAL issue is that you don't like the majority's opinions. Tough.
>> There's an example, right there - telling parents of 4th-5th graders how they should feel. Do you have any kids in 204 schools? Not sure why I asked, since we can't verify your answer, any way. And if you don't you might not tell the truth, since your arguments will clearly become all about the money.
>> Don't forget that the majority disagrees with you. You haven't posted anything new. This was all considered by the SB. It's all been covered on this board - just browse around. I think it's safe to say that many of the folks aren't too interested in rehashing these discussions yet again, especially since the referendum passed.
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Post by mommygator on Jan 10, 2007 12:03:52 GMT -6
OMG - Why does everyone have their underwear in an uproar? The facts are - the referendum passed, there isn't anything you can do about it - so get over it AND nothing else is going to happen until the land hearing is done, so save your breath and your blood pressure and get over it too. Start complaining when its actually appropriate.
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Post by blankcheck on Jan 10, 2007 12:10:20 GMT -6
Doctor - In reference to the 40%, I was talking about the article in the Daily Herald. There must have been another article in the Sun that addressed this issue. Sorry to call you on that-I was only reading the DH.
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 10, 2007 12:48:10 GMT -6
Doctor - In reference to the 40%, I was talking about the article in the Daily Herald. There must have been another article in the Sun that addressed this issue. Sorry to call you on that-I was only reading the DH. thank you for explaining - I appreciate it and it clears up why the question was asked, unfortunately the tone of some threads lately has caused me to read things as antagonistic, I am sorry also. There was an article from the Sun ( which was posted in the thread ) that had the full text - |
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Post by ann on Jan 10, 2007 14:06:11 GMT -6
OMG - Why does everyone have their underwear in an uproar? The facts are - the referendum passed, there isn't anything you can do about it - so get over it AND nothing else is going to happen until the land hearing is done, so save your breath and your blood pressure and get over it too. Start complaining when its actually appropriate. Lacy, my twin, panties are a bunchin cause there is no 3rd high school on the horizon, their well thought out plans from 2 years ago might have to be tweaked a lot!! So they focus anger here at people not in their insular group. I have asked for discussions regarding overcrowding today.......few bites, no one has a 'solution' or 'discussion' for the Peterson debacle, etc. The people who think that the SB is leaving no stone unturned and playing their best game of what ifs currrently are the ones who get to go to the high school they want via boundaries that will be 4 years old if the high school gets built. And, let's go there, since Aurora/Napervile city council's can't seem to stop themselves from adding more housing with potential new students, boundaries are guaranteed to change. So I continue to ask.....what can we bring to the SB regarding overcrowding for Fall of 2007??? Fall of 2008??? Are we requiring the SD administrators to attend every city council meeting to protest zoning changes??? Let's discuss how people will feel if, by Fall of 2007 there is yet another slip in enrollment?? If ground isn't broken on any land by then, the taxpayers might then have a reason to get their panties in a bunch and sue to stop the process due to the 'bait and switch' referendum. It is better to be proactive than reactive Lacy, because holding your breath only makes your face turn blue and eventually you pass out. So keep posting here because there is no better way to formulate your own beliefs and strengthening your argument to bring to the SB than by listening to those with opinions outside of your own scope. |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 10, 2007 14:14:34 GMT -6
Ann,
Do you have children attending 204 schools this year? If so, how many and at what level please (Elementary, Middle, High School)?
Honesty would be appreciated.
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Post by ann on Jan 10, 2007 14:16:51 GMT -6
Ann, Do you have children attending 204 schools this year? If so, how many and at what level please (Elementary, Middle, High School)? Honesty would be appreciated. I suffer to figure out why this would be of value to you Honesty would be appreciated |
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Post by Arch on Jan 10, 2007 14:28:41 GMT -6
Ann, Do you have children attending 204 schools this year? If so, how many and at what level please (Elementary, Middle, High School)? Honesty would be appreciated. I suffer to figure out why this would be of value to you Honesty would be appreciated Because perhaps it's relative to better understanding your point of view. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 10, 2007 14:45:35 GMT -6
OMG - Why does everyone have their underwear in an uproar? The facts are - the referendum passed, there isn't anything you can do about it - so get over it AND nothing else is going to happen until the land hearing is done, so save your breath and your blood pressure and get over it too. Start complaining when its actually appropriate. Lacy, my twin, panties are a bunchin cause there is no 3rd high school on the horizon, their well thought out plans from 2 years ago might have to be tweaked a lot!! So they focus anger here at people not in their insular group. I have asked for discussions regarding overcrowding today.......few bites, no one has a 'solution' or 'discussion' for the Peterson debacle, etc. The people who think that the SB is leaving no stone unturned and playing their best game of what ifs currrently are the ones who get to go to the high school they want via boundaries that will be 4 years old if the high school gets built. And, let's go there, since Aurora/Napervile city council's can't seem to stop themselves from adding more housing with potential new students, boundaries are guaranteed to change. So I continue to ask.....what can we bring to the SB regarding overcrowding for Fall of 2007??? Fall of 2008??? Are we requiring the SD administrators to attend every city council meeting to protest zoning changes??? Let's discuss how people will feel if, by Fall of 2007 there is yet another slip in enrollment?? If ground isn't broken on any land by then, the taxpayers might then have a reason to get their panties in a bunch and sue to stop the process due to the 'bait and switch' referendum. It is better to be proactive than reactive Lacy, because holding your breath only makes your face turn blue and eventually you pass out. << many people here are and have been proactive for 2+ years, and do so every day, and far more than just posting to this board << So keep posting here because there is no better way to formulate your own beliefs and strengthening your argument to bring to the SB than by listening to those with opinions outside of your own scope. >> the only people who seems to have a burr in their butt here are those opposed to the high school, even while crying why no overcrowding plans...most of the rest of us understand the process and understand that spring was the most probable ( although least desirable) of the times this would be resolved. If you talked to any of the SB members they wouldhave told you that. << >> as far as discussion - resurrecting old ideas already proven not to be viable is not discourse or solutions, just whining << >> I can tell you that a SB member has been at both hearings held so far for the Prairie View apartments , as have I and some others including PTA leaders, have you attended any ? << >> As far as the high school I could have cared less in the end which one it would be since today my children go to a MS almost 7 miles from their home and the high school furthest from my house already. I was not one of the whiners about how my commute would change from 1.2 miles to 2.3 miles, either would have been a bargain, so don't try and pigeon hole me into any group that got what they wanted. I am glad it will be the closest one, but for that reason alone, the other two are both fine schools.<< << If you are not working with the SB I suggest you get closer to them before you start criticizing their every effort. Most of the members are putting in inordinate amounts of hours for free, while others feel comfortable throwing stones at what they do while doing NOTHING themselves. They are not perfect, as they are just citizens like you and me. Do I agree with all they do, nope. Do I respect the effort they put in - absolutely. BTW- if you are that unhappy you still have a few weeks to pick up a ballot for April and run << |
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Post by warriorpride on Jan 10, 2007 15:09:19 GMT -6
I suffer to figure out why this would be of value to you Honesty would be appreciated Because perhaps it's relative to better understanding your point of view. Arch said it better than I would have, but he's right. My guess is that you either don't have kids in 204 schools (or they'll be out within the next few years) and/or you are not happy about the 3-high-school boundaries. In one turn, you talk about the current overcrowding & lack of action (trying to make the SB look bad, especially with the SB elections coming this Spring), and in the next turn say that there is no overcrowding & enrollment is decreasing (trying to make the SB and those that voted YES bad by saying that there's no need for a 3rd HS). In general, each position you take, and statement you make, appears to be an attempt to discredit the SB. I wouldn't doubt that this has something to do with upcoming the SB elections. Hoping to get some like-minded thinkers elected to the SB? If so, hopefully we'll get their true motives exposed here before election time. You want to know why there aren't articles about "severe overcrowding"? It's called adapting. 1000 new kids didn't suddenly show up this year. The schools have been adapting as best as they can as enrollment has grown in each school. There were plenty of well-documented examples of where the schools are getting to the point of running out of options without impacting the kids - hence, the referendum. You want to keep saying that enrollment is leveling off? Feel free, but you're wrong. You want to keep posting FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt ) to stir things up? Feel free, but you're in the vocal minority, so don't expect too much support here, and don't be surprised if people disagree with you, and call you out on your inconsistent statements. You want to impact who is or isn't elected to the SB? You can try, but my guess is that you've discredited yourself enough on this board, so you're not going to generate too much of a following for whatever you stand for. |
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