Sorry to post my views again

[blankcheck]

WVHS-You stoped the thread WHY? OK - you want input again I will throw my thoughts into this.

1) Where is the so called growth of our district? Is Ashwood Park booming? No we have a major slowing in the housing industry.

2) Additions could have been put on and still can to NVHS.

3) Frontier campus is doing great - I posted about doing another one up north say in the empty Tel Labs building to serve WVHS students - that would house 1200 seniors between both schools.

4) Portables? Look at 203 and other surrounding school districts. Are we to good for them? They seem to have served those school districts fine for a number of years to get them through the space crunch.

5) Look at your upcoming 2009 referendum. Bottom line - the taxpayers are bottomed out. I can't even imagine what all the "extras" will be put on that one.

6) Extra activities-Face the facts people. Why do you think club sports are booming? Only the best of the best make a high school team anymore(much to my dismay-but fact) Sure your football teams have 70 kids on their varsity but do they play? Look at swimming- they take 10-12 kids on their varsity. Football and track to the best of my knowledge are the only non cut sports. Kids are getting cut as sophomores. That is reality. Another school is not going to change that fact.

7) Why is your super bailing out on this project? Reminds me a lot of the Gail McKenzie and company exit several years ago.

8) If overcrowding is such an issue, why is our school district not attending to those need NOW? Get portables in place etc.?

OK- Bob, waiting for you to tell me to quit spewing my FUD or CRAFT or CFO or whatever. Bottom line- you are all just as frustrated with this and have no clear cut answers either. At least I have posted a few ideas (Again).

[ann]

blankcheck said:

WVHS-You stoped the thread WHY? OK - you want input again I will throw my thoughts into this.

1) Where is the so called growth of our district? Is Ashwood Park booming? No we have a major slowing in the housing industry.

2) Additions could have been put on and still can to NVHS.

3) Frontier campus is doing great - I posted about doing another one up north say in the empty Tel Labs building to serve WVHS students - that would house 1200 seniors between both schools.

4) Portables? Look at 203 and other surrounding school districts. Are we to good for them? They seem to have served those school districts fine for a number of years to get them through the space crunch.

5) Look at your upcoming 2009 referendum. Bottom line - the taxpayers are bottomed out. I can't even imagine what all the "extras" will be put on that one.

6) Extra activities-Face the facts people. Why do you think club sports are booming? Only the best of the best make a high school team anymore(much to my dismay-but fact) Sure your football teams have 70 kids on their varsity but do they play? Look at swimming- they take 10-12 kids on their varsity. Football and track to the best of my knowledge are the only non cut sports. Kids are getting cut as sophomores. That is reality. Another school is not going to change that fact.

7) Why is your super bailing out on this project? Reminds me a lot of the Gail McKenzie and company exit several years ago.

8) If overcrowding is such an issue, why is our school district not attending to those need NOW? Get portables in place etc.?

OK- Bob, waiting for you to tell me to quit spewing my FUD or CRAFT or CFO or whatever. Bottom line- you are all just as frustrated with this and have no clear cut answers either. At least I have posted a few ideas (Again).
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blanckcheck

thanks for the post.. it is credible and forthcoming

expect no replies

especially to the teams reference...this generation thinks that practice blocks, private lessons and years on a travel league should guarantee a spot over natural talent

logic will prevail, especially when attached to monetary means

bravo and kudos

[gumby]

It is like deja vu all over again. A decided echo on these boards, with the same tired words bouncing around from the same contingent over and over again.

[ann]

blankcheck said:

WVHS-You stoped the thread WHY? OK - you want input again I will throw my thoughts into this.

1) Where is the so called growth of our district? Is Ashwood Park booming? No we have a major slowing in the housing industry.

2) Additions could have been put on and still can to NVHS.

3) Frontier campus is doing great - I posted about doing another one up north say in the empty Tel Labs building to serve WVHS students - that would house 1200 seniors between both schools.

4) Portables? Look at 203 and other surrounding school districts. Are we to good for them? They seem to have served those school districts fine for a number of years to get them through the space crunch.

5) Look at your upcoming 2009 referendum. Bottom line - the taxpayers are bottomed out. I can't even imagine what all the "extras" will be put on that one.

6) Extra activities-Face the facts people. Why do you think club sports are booming? Only the best of the best make a high school team anymore(much to my dismay-but fact) Sure your football teams have 70 kids on their varsity but do they play? Look at swimming- they take 10-12 kids on their varsity. Football and track to the best of my knowledge are the only non cut sports. Kids are getting cut as sophomores. That is reality. Another school is not going to change that fact.

7) Why is your super bailing out on this project? Reminds me a lot of the Gail McKenzie and company exit several years ago.

8) If overcrowding is such an issue, why is our school district not attending to those need NOW? Get portables in place etc.?

OK- Bob, waiting for you to tell me to quit spewing my FUD or CRAFT or CFO or whatever. Bottom line- you are all just as frustrated with this and have no clear cut answers either. At least I have posted a few ideas (Again).

ps additions and portables are no nos on this board since they are not solutions to a problem that has been solved....yet,,,,,

we wait for a ruling, let alone digging date for a hs that, most posters' kids will never attend and put a for sale sign in their yard before the dues need to be paid

bravo

[warriorpride]

1) Where is the so called growth of our district? Is Ashwood Park booming? No we have a major slowing in the housing industry.

>Good, this might give the district a chance to catch up, if there at delays with building MVHS.

2) Additions could have been put on and still can to NVHS.

>If you want a mega-high-school and just just so enamored with NV, sure, hower, there is a better plan in progress.

4) Portables? Look at 203 and other surrounding school districts. Are we to good for them? They seem to have served those school districts fine for a number of years to get them through the space crunch.

> You mean the 203 where they considered tearing down all of Central, and they are still considering MAJOR renovations & additions to Central and may other schools? That one? Portables didn't seem to cut it there.

5) Look at your upcoming 2009 referendum. Bottom line - the taxpayers are bottomed out. I can't even imagine what all the "extras" will be put on that one.

> That remains to be seen. Why don't we take it at it's face value when it come?

6) Extra activities-Face the facts people. Why do you think club sports are booming? Only the best of the best make a high school team anymore(much to my dismay-but fact) Sure your football teams have 70 kids on their varsity but do they play? Look at swimming- they take 10-12 kids on their varsity. Football and track to the best of my knowledge are the only non cut sports. Kids are getting cut as sophomores. That is reality. Another school is not going to change that fact.

> This is one of the side benefits of the 3rd HS, but certainly not the primary reason for the referendum. If feel that increasing the number of opportunites by 50% isn't a good thing, so be it.

7) Why is your super bailing out on this project? Reminds me a lot of the Gail McKenzie and company exit several years ago.

> It seems like a logical point to me. I bet you'd criticize harder if he left in the middle of something major going on.

8) If overcrowding is such an issue, why is our school district not attending to those need NOW? Get portables in place etc.?

> This is covered above already. You want to buy portables AND build a 3rd HS? I VOTE NO to that inefficient use of $.


OK- Bob, waiting for you to tell me to quit spewing my FUD or CRAFT or CFO or whatever. Bottom line- you are all just as frustrated with this and have no clear cut answers either. At least I have posted a few ideas (Again).

> You posted 1 or 2 ideas and a lot of the Vote No party line. Question: Is there any particular reason that several folks have really started up with the rabble-rousing recently? Just curious.

[ann]

gumby said:

It is like deja vu all over again. A decided echo on these boards, with the same tired words bouncing around from the same contingent over and over again.

gumby,

prepare for new ideas now

[ann]

[quote ly? Just curious.[/quote]

wp

have you seriously rested on your vote yes laurels/?

I hope the SB and district haven't because last time I checked, my kiddies don't have a new HS chair to sit in anytime soon

[bob]

Tell Labs isn't empty.

Didn't Scullen just get some portables this year or last? I guess that is helping or people would be complaining that it isn't helping the situation. Maybe someone here is from Scullen and can tell us if the overcrowding is being solved by the portables. Would it be the principal's call not the SB whether they need portables or not?

l We still have a situation where the schools have more kids than they can fit. The people have spoken that they want a third HS to relieve the over crowding of NVHS and WVHS.

The 2006 referendum tax increase doesn't take affect until 2015. The Finance committee consisting of some great people that live here stated in their tables that the refinancing will actually cut taxes for the first few years and then pay the amount for a longer time (10 years longer I think). I am putting my trust in these tables and their calculations.

I always thought that the athletic team reason was really weak. Your club sport example is right on. My niece who is being recruited in her sophomore year said college coaches see her more during her club season than her HS season. The athletic reason is more of a side benefit but not a major reason for me to support the third HS. But my neighbor sees it as a major factor.

Our super is bailing because he not getting anymore benefits for staying. I think he is probably burned out a little because is not easy running a SD this size.

203 is going to tear down a good school in order to build a new one.
I see WP beat me on this point.

[Avenging Eagle]

blankcheck said:

WVHS-You stoped the thread WHY?

Because it is perceived as an obvious effort to stir up trouble and try to drag down this board into a deep gutter, a la Queen Marge from the old days.

On the CFO boards, she would always launch the morning line of "another day of trouble....", etc. and sign of with "Good Night Tallgrass", similar to ann's "Good Night AE", and try to keep the thread going for 100s of pages. That concept went out with 2006.

Why don't you try to come up with a thread with a specific, focused topic to discuss instead of launching another one of these rambling diatribes?

Possibly try thinking new thoughts.

[gumby]

ann said:

gumby said:

It is like deja vu all over again. A decided echo on these boards, with the same tired words bouncing around from the same contingent over and over again.

gumby,

prepare for new ideas now

Let's see them. I'm dubious.

[lacy]

Ban me if you want, but my biggest concern is that by the time this district builds a school, it will be too late for the many children who have endured crowded situations. Enrollment appears to be leveling off. And they will have spent "whatever it takes" to have the high school where many wanted it for selfish puposes (their property values).

Why didn't they just build a middle school on the land they acquired? Wasn't that the original plan?? That's where the need is - at the middle school level. They have delayed a remedy for the middle schools, so they can have their high school that many think we don't even need. By the time we get some relief here (at the middle school level), many children will have suffered.

It looks like the Frontier campus is a booming success at the high school level - why don't they just expand that concept?

And why is it so wrong for some to disagree with the powers at be on this board?? This is America people.

[doctorwho]

bob said:

I always thought that the athletic team reason was really weak. Your club sport example is right on. My niece who is being recruited in her sophomore year said college coaches see her more during her club season than her HS season. The athletic reason is more of a side benefit but not a major reason for me to support the third HS. But my neighbor sees it as a major factor.

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As the parent of one NCAA student athlete and having another in their 5th year of club sport and hopefully on the way I can also tell your your argument about 'natural talent' is off base as well. If you think many club athletes do not have natural talent then you aren't paying attention. just because you pay and join a club doesn't mean you will succeed. Most club sports have multiple teams, and the top / elite teams get scouted for scholarships much more heavily than the rest. There is a natural progression of skills that takes place even within the club world and by 16 most athletes left ARE natural athletes as well as well trained. Lesser athletes get cut as there are only so many coaches to go around.

a true natural will catch the eye of coaches in try outs, but yes, they will be behind in skills. Coaches do play to win as many of them are judged on their records, as well as interaction with students.

It is true that many sports such as soccer / volleyball and today a lot of basketball are recruited almost in entirety out of the club sports ranks. College coaches can see the best play against the best, and rarely if ever travel to see high school sports. This is not true however in a sport like football, where high school playing is key.

let me be perfectly clear however that I do not see sports as being a 'major' reason for building a 3rd high school, but yes, at least freshman year many kids will get a chance to play that otherwise would not. Top club players make varsity or JV at least as freshman, therefore I know there were 2 freshman and 1 sophmore VB team at WVHS a few years ago...a 'true athlete' could make those teams and shine and potentially move up from there, without a chance it would never happen. So they can get a chance...and remember those club players sacrifice a heck of a lot - my oldest never attended a dance in HS because they were in season. She practiced 15 hours a week and played 2 -3 weekends from january thru june. They are not handed a 'privilege' - they earn it also. And that 'free ride' in college comes at a huge cost also. They practice every day in season, play 2 nights a week and travel thursday thru sunday for tournaments 50% of the weekends to play in tournaments representing their schools. And unlike revenue producing sports such as mens football and basketball.... they get cut NO slack when it comes to assignments and work. Basically they work close to full time while attending school...

It is a fact that most scholarship athletes are well identified and recruited by sophomore year. The colleges are putting a lot of money on the table to be right, so they identify early and after your junior season in high school look for you to commit...so right or wrong those are the facts, and I do not see them changing anytime soon.

[bob]

If you think many club athletes do not have natural talent then you aren't paying attention. j

I am sorry if I wasn't clear but I don't think I was making that point. My point should have been, more along, that more athletic teams shouldn't be a major reason for building the 3rd HS.

[wvhsparent]

lacy said:

Ban me if you want, but my biggest concern is that by the time this district builds a school, it will be too late for the many children who have endured crowded situations. Enrollment appears to be leveling off. And they will have spent "whatever it takes" to have the high school where many wanted it for selfish puposes (their property values).

It will always be "too late" for some...that's life. And yes I do agree there is some who believe the SB had alterior motives. I kinda do too.

lacy said:

Why didn't they just build a middle school on the land they acquired? Wasn't that the original plan?? That's where the need is - at the middle school level. They have delayed a remedy for the middle schools, so they can have their high school that many think we don't even need. By the time we get some relief here (at the middle school level), many children will have suffered.

IMHO a middle shool was never really planned for there...they had to say something, that was the best they could come up with. Seemed silly to me too exspecailly that one could virtually see Still MS from the site.
Actually the housing slowdown could be seen as a boon to the SB giving them a little more breathing room.

lacy said:

It looks like the Frontier campus is a booming success at the high school level - why don't they just expand that concept?

And why is it so wrong for some to disagree with the powers at be on this board?? This is America people.

Frontier is in it's 1st year....let's see the actual results before getting too gaga over it.

Disagree all you want, but please try to do it in a dignified manner..I do all the time...or at least I try.

[wvhsparent]

BTW blankcheck.....Don't be sorry to post your views/concerns

just don't be surprised if they do not get answered/addressed in the way you would like.

can't please everyone all the time.....I am certainly not pleased about everything either, but I will deal with it.