FALSE Rumors and Representations

[doctorwho]

momto4 said:

lacy said:

I believe that is what motivates you to be on this site all day and most of every night (the desire to have your child go to another school other than WVHS).

I know that you would love to twist the meaning of my comment around, but I know what I meant and I'm sure others do too. It's just useful to you and others to spin it another way.

It isn't what I think, but rather what I believe you think.

And if you didn't spend so much time on this board, you would probably be running the free world, you are so much more important and brilliant than the rest of us. ;D

Wow. You seem to be throwing out a lot of accusations lately. First the wild accusation at the moderators last night with your theories on why some people aren't posting lately, and now accusing doctorwho of spending time here to get his own child out of WV? Don't you know anything about him after all this time? Other than his credentials that don't impress you?

Have you met a single, even ONE person whose child attended WV and wouldn't want their younger child/children to attend there?

I haven't.

Mom, great post -- as we know there are no fiercer supporters of WV than those who have alumni from there......
I still proudly wear my Warrior wear ......and always will.

In all my time here I have never had a bad thought about one school we attended -- May Watts - Hill & WV were all that and more for my childs experience.

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

macy said:

What I don't understand is why the district was hiding the fact that they had discussions with him. I know there was some confidentiality agreement, but that seemed to be coming from the Superintendent and the SB. To this day I don't understand why this was kept from the general public? You all say the site is not adequate (power lines, road access, etc.). If the site was so bad, why the secrecy from the public.

And another thing, I simply don't understand the public outrage directed toward any candidate simply seeking information about the Macom land. What is wrong with finding out and communicating to voters what really happened during these discussions?

Then you've never worked under confidentiality agreements. There is a reason these get put into place and you don't reveal information from them - there are legal ramifications of doing that. I work with them all the time and I do not understand how people can say , well why not just reveal this or that....

I have not seen this particular one, and there is no bolierplate for them, they are usually customized with what can be said, dates of coverage for the agreements, people involved etc. My breach of a confidentiality agreement at my corporation would result in immediate dismissal and potential legal reponsiblity as an individual not as an employee, so let's also please remember there was one in place. Also remember only one side appears to have stepped out from the confidentiality agreement ( and maybe what he as revealed wasn't covered - again haven't seen it but don't know) - but there are some touchy items there that may still be covered that can't be revealed - maybe the disposition of the family that lives on the property, maybe the impact of the power substation etc etc .

The outrage is not that candidates contacted him, the outrage, just like the CFO connections is that the candidates talked around this fact and in fact hid these items from their agendas. Michelle Davis at least thought enough of it at one forum to spend her closing statement explaining the contact - she got the fact that people felt this should have been told to the voting public by those who had contact, not revealed by Paul Lehman himself in the papers.

I agree with you doc on the confidentiality agreement ramifications. I guess I also want to know why one was needed in the 1st place. Howie has always IMHO been very secretive. Maybe I am being naive about these types of things, but it all comes back to the trust issue...and secrets kill trust.....

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

I agree with you doc on the confidentiality agreement ramifications. I guess I also want to know why one was needed in the 1st place. Howie has always IMHO been very secretive. Maybe I am being naive about these types of things, but it all comes back to the trust issue...and secrets kill trust.....

Because they (confidentiality agreements) make the lawyers happy on both sides. I've had to sign them to review an error correction with a company and I was the one who pointed it out and sent them the correction. It was something 'not officially released' yet and their policy was to have everyone who deals with non-public things sign one. That's just how silly it can get sometimes.

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

I agree with you doc on the confidentiality agreement ramifications. I guess I also want to know why one was needed in the 1st place. Howie has always IMHO been very secretive. Maybe I am being naive about these types of things, but it all comes back to the trust issue...and secrets kill trust.....

I was under the impression ( and I have seen posted here by another poster ) that it was MACOM who requested the confidentiality agreement - and that would make some sense also in that he is still trying to sell houses in that area- if you are looking are you going to buy if the land all around you is not going to be homes as you thought it was ?

In that ase Ok... I read it as Howie wanted it....and we all know how much I like him

As far as WVHS...Look at my Screenname here I have 1, soon to be 2, Grads from WVHS, and am very happy with the results. I think they both had good, no great, opportunities and a variety of courses not available in the HS setting elsewhere.

[movingforward]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

Then you've never worked under confidentiality agreements. There is a reason these get put into place and you don't reveal information from them - there are legal ramifications of doing that. I work with them all the time and I do not understand how people can say , well why not just reveal this or that....

I have not seen this particular one, and there is no bolierplate for them, they are usually customized with what can be said, dates of coverage for the agreements, people involved etc. My breach of a confidentiality agreement at my corporation would result in immediate dismissal and potential legal reponsiblity as an individual not as an employee, so let's also please remember there was one in place. Also remember only one side appears to have stepped out from the confidentiality agreement ( and maybe what he as revealed wasn't covered - again haven't seen it but don't know) - but there are some touchy items there that may still be covered that can't be revealed - maybe the disposition of the family that lives on the property, maybe the impact of the power substation etc etc .

The outrage is not that candidates contacted him, the outrage, just like the CFO connections is that the candidates talked around this fact and in fact hid these items from their agendas. Michelle Davis at least thought enough of it at one forum to spend her closing statement explaining the contact - she got the fact that people felt this should have been told to the voting public by those who had contact, not revealed by Paul Lehman himself in the papers.

I agree with you doc on the confidentiality agreement ramifications. I guess I also want to know why one was needed in the 1st place. Howie has always IMHO been very secretive. Maybe I am being naive about these types of things, but it all comes back to the trust issue...and secrets kill trust.....

It was a requirement of Macom's

[EagleDad]

lacy said:

I believe that is what motivates you to be on this site all day and most of every night (the desire to have your child go to another school other than WVHS).

Why do you do this? It's just plain nasty. Do you enjoy putting words in people's mouths and pitting neighbor against neighbor?

[happymom]

One item that is overlooked by people who believe PL's claim that WV is the cause of his development not doing well is that someone who is considering purchasing a home in the price range he is offering.....these people are probably not stupid!

When our family moved here the first thing we did was look at the neighborhood and the schools. We were lucky and moved into a home already built, but most of our neighbors worked with a builder.

I have had the opportunity to deal with a member of the Ashwood development's company in another organization. This was not a pleasant person to deal with....could this possibly have anything to do with potential buyers not wanting to purchase a home from this developer???

Could the fact that there are train tracks and power lines be a reason people do not want to purchase a home in this particular development???

Finally, the comment that PL said that the reason to stay at NV was because it would NV attendance persons "moving up" is ridiculous. Has he ever heard of Stonebridge? Our family considered moving to a larger home several years ago and my children were adament about staying in the WV attendance area.

When we began looking at other homes, the Ashwood area was not even a consideration because of the person whom I had dealt with before along with the location of the development. Please stop the WV bashing because of possible other factors.

I used to work for real estate attorneys, and companies want to make money. Some (not all) will say and do whatever it takes to make that money. The real estate industry is in hard times right now, and I'm sure all the developers want as much business as they can get.

Being a parent in the SD that is looking out for our students vs being a business person wanting to make money can have 2 different points of view.

I would not be quick to judge the companies; however, I would be very cautious because as parents we know the schools better than any outside person. We need to stand our ground when falsehoods about ANY school is stated, and we need to stand-up for all the schools in this district and not let a corporation dictate to the public what is going on inside the walls of our schools. The achievements of our students (announced through the SD) should be the public's view of whether the SD is doing it's job.

[lacy]

eagledad said:

lacy said:

I believe that is what motivates you to be on this site all day and most of every night (the desire to have your child go to another school other than WVHS).

Why do you do this? It's just plain nasty. Do you enjoy putting words in people's mouths and pitting neighbor against neighbor?

Oh, you mean like our school board did during the boundary process?

Quite frankly, I find it plain nasty how this message board smeared the new candidates.

The smear emails were awfully similar to the rhetoric on this board and friends got them under email accounts that only this board would have. So who sent those emails?

I find it plain nasty how there is still negative information about Michelle Davis under "Announcements". Although the thread is not that recent.

And I found the reference to the "KK Clan" plain nasty.

I find it nasty that you have twisted my words to suit your agenda. Do you enjoy that??

And which one of you is the old "WVHS Stinks?" Why did he name himself that at one time?

So there.

[gatormom]

sadly lacy, no one twisted your words. You said what you said and you said it more than once.

[movingforward]

Exactly,

And smear emails are emails that contain false information IMO.

The emails sent to my email and friends of mine ,which referred to this site, pointed to facts.

Facts that were documented and in print!

[movingforward]

happymom said:

One item that is overlooked by people who believe PL's claim that WV is the cause of his development not doing well is that someone who is considering purchasing a home in the price range he is offering.....these people are probably not stupid!

When our family moved here the first thing we did was look at the neighborhood and the schools. We were lucky and moved into a home already built, but most of our neighbors worked with a builder.

I have had the opportunity to deal with a member of the Ashwood development's company in another organization. This was not a pleasant person to deal with....could this possibly have anything to do with potential buyers not wanting to purchase a home from this developer???

Could the fact that there are train tracks and power lines be a reason people do not want to purchase a home in this particular development???

Finally, the comment that PL said that the reason to stay at NV was because it would NV attendance persons "moving up" is ridiculous. Has he ever heard of Stonebridge? Our family considered moving to a larger home several years ago and my children were adament about staying in the WV attendance area.

When we began looking at other homes, the Ashwood area was not even a consideration because of the person whom I had dealt with before along with the location of the development. Please stop the WV bashing because of possible other factors.

I used to work for real estate attorneys, and companies want to make money. Some (not all) will say and do whatever it takes to make that money. The real estate industry is in hard times right now, and I'm sure all the developers want as much business as they can get.

Being a parent in the SD that is looking out for our students vs being a business person wanting to make money can have 2 different points of view.

I would not be quick to judge the companies; however, I would be very cautious because as parents we know the schools better than any outside person. We need to stand our ground when falsehoods about ANY school is stated, and we need to stand-up for all the schools in this district and not let a corporation dictate to the public what is going on inside the walls of our schools. The achievements of our students (announced through the SD) should be the public's view of whether the SD is doing it's job.

What a refreshing, new perspective.

You are correct in your observations about Ashwood and the 'other' reasons for slow sales.

I don't know about the sales staff, but certainly PL should be training his people better if that is the case. I would also suggest that he educate them of the stellar performance of WVHS on the recent district report card! Perhaps that should be what he spends his efforts on as opposed to relocating a high school for his personal gain!

[EagleDad]

Lacy, the community boundary discussion process was not pretty, I will be the first to agree with that that. However it is done and some of us want to move forward, not repeatedly open old wounds. Because we went through it once does not give you a right to drag the discussion back to it at every turn.

I am receiving multiple complaints from members via PM asking that I remove you. I've asked you multiple times not to continue casting baseless accusations at the moderators of this board. This is your final warning, please stop.

[Arch]

lacy said:

eagledad said:

Why do you do this? It's just plain nasty. Do you enjoy putting words in people's mouths and pitting neighbor against neighbor?

Oh, you mean like our school board did during the boundary process?
Quite frankly, I find it plain nasty how this message board smeared the new candidates.
The smear emails were awfully similar to the rhetoric on this board and friends got them under email accounts that only this board would have. So who sent those emails?
I find it plain nasty how there is still negative information about Michelle Davis under "Announcements". Although the thread is not that recent.
And I found the reference to the "KK Clan" plain nasty.
I find it nasty that you have twisted my words to suit your agenda. Do you enjoy that??
And which one of you is the old "WVHS Stinks?" Why did he name himself that at one time?

So there.

You're angry. We get it. Somehow I feel it pre-existed this board, but this seems to be the safe-outlet for it I suppose. So, the fact that you're angry makes all of your vicious and false comments about others and other schools somehow excusable?

[casey]

eagledad said:

I am receiving multiple complaints from members via PM asking that I remove you. I've asked you multiple times not to continue casting baseless accusations at the moderators of this board. This is your final warning, please stop.

Lacy, Lacy, Lacy, please don't get thrown off the board. Your postings are always a refreshing (if even antagonistic) view. It's always fun to read your postings even if they do get many riled up . I guess your warning should tell you to "cool it a notch". Don't step over the line, we need your voice!

[lacy]

casey said:

eagledad said:

I am receiving multiple complaints from members via PM asking that I remove you. I've asked you multiple times not to continue casting baseless accusations at the moderators of this board. This is your final warning, please stop.

Lacy, Lacy, Lacy, please don't get thrown off the board. Your postings are always a refreshing (if even antagonistic) view. It's always fun to read your postings even if they do get many riled up . I guess your warning should tell you to "cool it a notch". Don't step over the line, we need your voice!

Casey, for a moment today I had an extreme hankering to go out in a blaze of glory. I just get tired of the "spin".

But O.K., I'll go back to being "good Lacy".