Varsity Sports - Year 1 - 2009

[wvhsparent]

justvote said:

I think when you begin to pick and choose which sports will field a varsity team and which ones won't, you open up a whole can of worms. Parents will cry "unfair" if their child's sport is not one of them fielding a varsity team or vice versa (they will cry "unfair" if they don't want their child on a varsity team). I just don't believe that the Administration should look at each sport individually and decide whether or not to field a varsity team. It could conceivably be too controversial and for what? So that those few individuals who are truly talented enough to play varsity, will be allowed to do so? What about those that aren't ready, but will be forced to play varsity, because there are no upperclassman to compete against for a slot on the team? I think those athletes need to be taken into consideration too. BTW -when I say few, I mean a few across the board, not just volleyball & soccer, where I will concede there are probably more players that are ready to play at a higher level as Freshman than other sports.

this is kinda what I said too...jv...you said it much better, thanks

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

So in order to accommodate the few really talented (star players) you want a Varsity team, which would also mean that many players, that normally would not be Varsity material would have to also play varsity, in other words, elevated before they were ready. IHMO that would be a morale killer, that would end up dragging down your stars too. Better to have them play a notch down, temporarily, than field a poor team.


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Okay - if this was true, more than 1/2 of the Warrior team ( including the 2 leading scorers ) - are not on the soccer team 2 wins away from a state championship right now. I don't see that as accomodating a few.

. Name Pos. Ht. Age Yr.
2 Cathrine McClellan MF So.
3 Bri Rodriguez MF So.
4 Kylee Rodriguez F Sr.
5 Amanda Bardzinski D Sr.
6 Allison Fox GK Fr.
8 Meagan Lynch F Sr.
10 Vanessa DiBernardo MF Fr.
11 Kylie Andersen D Sr.
12 Kaitlyn Rowsey MF Sr.
13 Ali Stahlke MF So.
14 Molly Thayer MF So.
15 Hillary Blake D Jr.
16 Jessica Blake F Jr.
17 Emily Bielaga MF Jr.
18 Christen Schuler D Sr.
19 Brie Ewoldt GK Fr.
20 Rachel Bostick D So.
22 Clarie Hanold GK So.
23 Elena Bickel F Fr.
25 Diane Binder F Sr.
29 Alana Jones MF So.


Name Goals Assists
Kylie Andersen 1 1
Amanda Bardzinski 1 1
Elena Bickel 7 3
Emily Bielaga 5 4
Diane Binder 5 3
Hillary Blake 1 1
Jessica Blake 8 6
Rachel Bostick 7 1
Vanessa DiBernardo 17 13
Alana Jones 4 1
Meagan Lynch 12 2
Cathrine McClellan 6 0
Bri Rodriguez 16 22
Kylee Rodriguez 11 7
Kaitlyn Rowsey 2 0
Christen Schuler 6 1
Ali Stahlke 4 5
Molly Thayer 0 4
TEAM TOTALS 120 83
OPPONENT TOTALS

[harry]

So glad that a Super was invited to watch this board regarding this topic.

Seems to me that regardless of the sport that

1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up

2. Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway.

In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass.

If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.

[gatormom]

harry said:

So glad that a Super was invited to watch this board regarding this topic.

Seems to me that regardless of the sport that

1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up

2. Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway.

In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass.

If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.

You know Harry, I haven't completely made up my mind here but I don't believe that most think that players should play at their grade level. To be quite honest, I think you said that.

Most of the people here are trying to discuss this while considering all sides of the coin. I understand both Dr. Who's point of view as well as justvotes.

[wvhsparent]

This is what I found on the ISHA website. So by my interpretation there is no mention of grade level. So I guess it sounds like it is up to the SB.

Good luck Dr.Who


116.10) Q. What determines whether a team is a varsity team?

A. In most sports, the school identifies a team it defines “varsity” at the start of the season and that team fulfills a schedule of contests arranged for the “varsity” team. This team is considered to be the team which comprises the most skilled competitors in the sport and is the team which is the school’s representative at its highest level of competition, including the state series. (Constitution 1.420)

116.11) Q. What determines whether a contest is a varsity contest?
A. The level of competition for a contest is regularly specified on the contract which schools enter into for a given contest. It is the Board of Directors’ interpretation that unless otherwise mutually agreed upon by the principals/official representatives of all competing schools prior to the contest, the level of competition specified on the contract designates the level of the competition. (Constitution 1.420)

[bob]

harry said:

So glad that a Super was invited to watch this board regarding this topic.

Seems to me that regardless of the sport that

1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up

2. Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway.

In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass.

If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.

What money crunch?

[doctorwho]

bob said:

harry said:

So glad that a Super was invited to watch this board regarding this topic.

Seems to me that regardless of the sport that

1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up

2. Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway.

In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass.

If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.

What money crunch?

1/ "1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up"

what ? what lawsuit, students sign waivers to play sports- and what exactly additional risk from a legal standpoint would you be stating fact on ?

2/ " Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway."

not the vote I see on the counter right now

"In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass"

which money crunch is this ? Also if you have a varisty team you likely would not need 2 freshman teams like the other schools have now - so there is no significant increase in funds/coaches etc. - so again not sure what facts this is based on

3/"If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.
"

what ?? I have lived in this district 20 years - you ? If you don't like the decision whenever it is made - you are welcome to leave also - I will not leave either way -- I would like to think 204 if for everyone - not just those that get their way.

but at least in my opinion/ stances I try and include maybe a fact or two instead of just subjective comments --

We've seen your vote - and it counts for as much as mine or anyone else's- but I am not telling people to leave if they don't like the decision that is made whichever way it goes -- I find that less than beneficial to any discussion we are having.

[doctorwho]

doctorwho said:

bob said:

What money crunch?

1/ "1. O f the sports where size matters, no one thinks any player should get hurt and put the School district in jeorpardy of a lawsuit for injury by playing up"

what ? what lawsuit, students sign waivers to play sports- and what exactly additional risk from a legal standpoint would you be stating fact on ?

2/ " Of the sport where sized doesn't necessarily matter, most think that players should play at their grade level and
others feel that school play doesn't matter because most college coaches scout the club sports heavily anyway."

not the vote I see on the counter right now

"In any case, the SD is in a money crunch and should error on the side of conservatism and if they open solely with frosh soph, then that is what the teams should encompass"

which money crunch is this ? Also if you have a varisty team you likely would not need 2 freshman teams like the other schools have now - so there is no significant increase in funds/coaches etc. - so again not sure what facts this is based on

3/"If you don't like that decision, to keep every child safe, then maybe one needs to move to a different SD to enable the 2% of the HS athletes a chance to go on and play, not scholarship, but play in college.
"

what ?? I have lived in this district 20 years - you ? If you don't like the decision whenever it is made - you are welcome to leave also - I will not leave either way -- I would like to think 204 if for everyone - not just those that get their way.

but at least in my opinion/ stances I try and include maybe a fact or two instead of just subjective comments --

We've seen your vote - and it counts for as much as mine or anyone else's- but I am not telling people to leave if they don't like the decision that is made whichever way it goes -- I find that less than beneficial to any discussion we are having.

I moved this quote here so as not to take away from the other thread --

"But the freshman wasn’t done yet. She picked up her third goal in the 48th minute, this time with her head from 6 yards out off a long free kick from freshman Bri Rodriguez"

Need I say more ? I rest my case

If this is MVHS Fall 2009 same girls - this does not occur without a chance in how the school opens. In fact these girls have to wait until their juniors ( the year most club players do not play) - so this likely does not happen at all -

When you see the pride in the faces of these kids - and all of the students in the school - and the teachers & 204 administrators over the next week or so, let me know if you think it is worth looking at changing or not.

[wvhsparent]

Now's the time to strike Dr., while they are still on their "winning high"........Good luck.

FWIW - It does not matter to me one way or the other....

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

Now's the time to strike Dr., while they are still on their "winning high"........Good luck.

FWIW - It does not matter to me one way or the other....

Just sent e-mails out to 204 admin and SB this AM - to continue to try and build support to at least review .....

[harry]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

Now's the time to strike Dr., while they are still on their "winning high"........Good luck.

FWIW - It does not matter to me one way or the other....

Just sent e-mails out to 204 admin and SB this AM - to continue to try and build support to at least review .....

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but doesn't the SB and the 204 admin have enough on thier plates just trying to acquire the land and trying to find an addtl 20 MILLION in order to start the school for opeinng in 2009???

That will be and should be theri main focus FWIW

[doctorwho]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

Just sent e-mails out to 204 admin and SB this AM - to continue to try and build support to at least review .....

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but doesn't the SB and the 204 admin have enough on thier plates just trying to acquire the land and trying to find an addtl 20 MILLION in order to start the school for opeinng in 2009???

That will be and should be theri main focus FWIW

No one said that shouldn't be their main focus, but they are some very bright people and I am willing to bet that they are able to multi task and work in more than 1 item.

And an additonal $20M - can we see the breakout of what that represents ?

[Arch]

harry said:

doctorwho said:

Just sent e-mails out to 204 admin and SB this AM - to continue to try and build support to at least review .....

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but doesn't the SB and the 204 admin have enough on thier plates just trying to acquire the land and trying to find an addtl 20 MILLION in order to start the school for opeinng in 2009???
That will be and should be theri main focus FWIW

If they can tackle the Halloween Party problem, they can tackle this too.

[harry]

archwinsome said:

harry said:

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but doesn't the SB and the 204 admin have enough on thier plates just trying to acquire the land and trying to find an addtl 20 MILLION in order to start the school for opeinng in 2009???
That will be and should be theri main focus FWIW

If they can tackle the Halloween Party problem, they can tackle this too.

When they tackle minutae like a holiday party, you know they are not focused on the meat and potatoes like, building a 3rd hs that is in need

[Arch]

harry said:

archwinsome said:

If they can tackle the Halloween Party problem, they can tackle this too.

When they tackle minutae like a holiday party, you know they are not focused on the meat and potatoes like, building a 3rd hs that is in need

Perhaps that could be because it's either in the hands of the legislature w/ QT or will be settled in September anyway by the courts. Why don't you post your specific task list and attach a time-table or project plan to what else you think they should be doing in the meantime? You obviously have a very strong opinion in the matter. I for one would like to hear yours out.

Please provide.