Alternate sites to be considered

[rew]

We look at $30M for BB site or 80 acres at say $300/acre (no guarantee)for $24M somewhere else. We sell back the 25 acres for $6M to BB which reduces the $24M price to $18M but we incur a $10M increase in construction costs due to another year of delay/arch fees/site plan etc, which raises the price of acquiring a different site to $28M and delays the opening of the school a year for sure...begins to look a little more reasonable to go BB.

[momof3]

blankcheck said:

They can still build a middle school on that land if they choose. That would help crowding at the middle school level. They can also add onto NV. Boundaries would have to be adjusted to balance out enrollment - which at this time, we still do not have those figures in hand.

I don't think they can do that according to the referendum wording. $$ for a new MS or NVHS addition would require another ref, I believe.

22. INDIAN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY UNIT SCHOOL DISTRICT NUMBER 204
PROPOSITION TO ISSUE $124,660,000.00 SCHOOL BUILDING BONDS
Shall the Board of Education of Indian Prairie Community Unit School District
Number 204, DuPage and Will Counties, Illinois, acquire and improve a high school
site, build and equip one new high school building and issue the bonds of said
School District to the amount of $124,660,000.00 for the purpose of paying the costs
thereof?

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

After getting over the disbelief and disappointment in the general public selected for the jury I've reached the conclusion that we should just bite the bullet and get the land and move forward. I think the value of money over time in further delays to find a new site, set a price (or condemn again.. gee how much faith do you have in the public now?) or have a price set comparable to what the jury decided will not 'save' any money and will probably cost WAY MORE than this stupid silly price for BB. Bite whatever budgetary bullets in the meantime.

Silly question.. the 'promise' to not go back to the tax payers for more $$... was that just specifically regarding QT or was that a blanket open ended 'no matter what we will not ask for more' type of non legally binding deal?

Thanks arch, as usual you said what I wanted to, only much better. And, I think you know the answer to the last question.

[movingforward]

rew said:

We look at $30M for BB site or 80 acres at say $300/acre (no guarantee)for $24M somewhere else. We sell back the 25 acres for $6M to BB which reduces the $24M price to $18M but we incur a $10M increase in construction costs due to another year of delay/arch fees/site plan etc, which raises the price of acquiring a different site to $28M and delays the opening of the school a year for sure...begins to look a little more reasonable to go BB.

you raise some good points. I suppose BB isn't over until it's over. We'll just have to wait and see. We voted in 7 people to make these tough decisions for us; I say we allow them to do so and agree to the outcome and move on.

I have a feeling that our new super will take a lead as well. I like his style thus far and hope that it will lead us to a resolution as quickly as possible.

[warriorpride]

blankcheck said:

They can still build a middle school on that land if they choose. That would help crowding at the middle school level. They can also add onto NV. Boundaries would have to be adjusted to balance out enrollment - which at this time, we still do not have those figures in hand.

The figures will not justify delaying the building process another year. We are running our of land AND time.

Side note: if I could, I'd move to the Lincolnway school district. Boy, they have their act together with planning and purchasing of land - I am so jealous.

[bob]

We see how good he is, now.

[movingforward]

wvhsparent said:

movingforward said:

Agreed we must now look at other sites...

The growth in the district has been in the south so It makes no sense to me to have the facility built up north unless it was a last resort.

Question....Why does the criteria have to be "where the growth is"? If that's the case I will say there is "growth within the district as a whole"

How about a better criteria of: Is there enough of a student population to support said HS? I submit to you for a Northern site that there indeed is. Two MS, Granger and Hill.
There will eventually be 7 MS's and it was already stated that NVHS will be the largest school, and most likely get 3 MS which leave Still and The New MS (Old Gold) at WVHS.
Why would that not work?

Parent, you are right. It is a definite possibility. I should re-phrase my suggestion on re-examining Macom by stating that is my 'Plan B'. Plan C , IMO, would be to look at a northern site per your suggestions.

At this point we owe it to ourselves to look at all options again.

Although, rew brings up some good points. It may cost us even more (or the same with time delays) to select another location at this point. Who knows.

[warriorpride]

movingforward said:

rew said:

We look at $30M for BB site or 80 acres at say $300/acre (no guarantee)for $24M somewhere else. We sell back the 25 acres for $6M to BB which reduces the $24M price to $18M but we incur a $10M increase in construction costs due to another year of delay/arch fees/site plan etc, which raises the price of acquiring a different site to $28M and delays the opening of the school a year for sure...begins to look a little more reasonable to go BB.

you raise some good points. I suppose BB isn't over until it's over. We'll just have to wait and see. We voted in 7 people to make these tough decisions for us; I say we allow them to do so and agree to the outcome and move on.

I have a feeling that our new super will take a lead as well. I like his style thus far and hope that it will lead us to a resolution as quickly as possible.

From my perspective, the SB should only be looking at concrete reasons for not proceeding with BB (vs. deciding whether they SHOULD proceed). The cost throws a curveball, but if they cannot quickly come up with options that are slam-dunk better options (and I'm not sure that I trust them to do that at this point), it's time to move on with BB. There are finally NO unknowns (theoretically) with getting the BB land now - that's important.

[doctorwho]

movingforward said:

rew said:

We look at $30M for BB site or 80 acres at say $300/acre (no guarantee)for $24M somewhere else. We sell back the 25 acres for $6M to BB which reduces the $24M price to $18M but we incur a $10M increase in construction costs due to another year of delay/arch fees/site plan etc, which raises the price of acquiring a different site to $28M and delays the opening of the school a year for sure...begins to look a little more reasonable to go BB.

you raise some good points. I suppose BB isn't over until it's over. We'll just have to wait and see. We voted in 7 people to make these tough decisions for us; I say we allow them to do so and agree to the outcome and move on.

I have a feeling that our new super will take a lead as well. I like his style thus far and hope that it will lead us to a resolution as quickly as possible.

Maybe he can secure some of the corporate money he is noted for having done in the past. I know he hasn't been here long to build working relationships - but heck, no time like the present.

There are high schools that have corporate spnsorships for everything from sports teams to stadiums. Vernon Hills HS got $1.8 million they were short for their football stadium from Rustoleum --a local company.

( Office Max / Nabisco / Nalco / BP anyone ?) BP or Nalco chem labs

St. Charles East and North High Schools currently list Coca-Cola and Pepsi
as sponsors in programs for games and other events.
Naperville, a divided school board approved an agreement that
allows equipment manufacturer Under Armour to hang a banner during Naperville
Central football games. In exchange, the company provided $7,500 worth of T-shirts
that players wear under their shoulder pads.

Time to get creative.......

[warriorpride]

I can't remember - can we pull a Poll up on this site? If so, can an Admin put one up for how people think the SB should proceed?

[wvhsparent]

What are the 7 stages of grief?
This thread is taking those on....
Shock/Disbelief
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Guilt
Depression
Acceptance/Hope

[movingforward]

wvhsparent said:

What are the 7 stages of grief?
This thread is taking those on....
Shock/Disbelief
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Guilt
Depression
Acceptance/Hope

Very funny! And true too! ;D

[justvote]

archwinsome said:

After getting over the disbelief and disappointment in the general public selected for the jury I've reached the conclusion that we should just bite the bullet and get the land and move forward. I think the value of money over time in further delays to find a new site, set a price (or condemn again.. gee how much faith do you have in the public now?) or have a price set comparable to what the jury decided will not 'save' any money and will probably cost WAY MORE than this stupid silly price for BB. Bite whatever budgetary bullets in the meantime.

Silly question.. the 'promise' to not go back to the tax payers for more $$... was that just specifically regarding QT or was that a blanket open ended 'no matter what we will not ask for more' type of non legally binding deal?

I'm not convinced that this is the best solution, especially from a PR standpoint. I feel that if the SB moves forward with BB at this juncture, they will severely jeopardize the '09 referendum. All faith and trust will be gone.

I think they should sereiously consider the Macom property. Mr. Lehman knows that it's in his own best interest to sell this property as the location for the 3rd high school (and I think it's been firmly established that he only acts in his own best interest), so I believe he will sell us the property at the original offering price, which is substanitially lower than BB. The location is not ideal, but neither was BB.

[warriorpride]

justvote said:

archwinsome said:

After getting over the disbelief and disappointment in the general public selected for the jury I've reached the conclusion that we should just bite the bullet and get the land and move forward. I think the value of money over time in further delays to find a new site, set a price (or condemn again.. gee how much faith do you have in the public now?) or have a price set comparable to what the jury decided will not 'save' any money and will probably cost WAY MORE than this stupid silly price for BB. Bite whatever budgetary bullets in the meantime.

Silly question.. the 'promise' to not go back to the tax payers for more $$... was that just specifically regarding QT or was that a blanket open ended 'no matter what we will not ask for more' type of non legally binding deal?

I'm not convinced that this is the best solution, especially from a PR standpoint. I feel that if the SB moves forward with BB at this juncture, they will severely jeopardize the '09 referendum. All faith and trust will be gone.

I think they should sereiously consider the Macom property. Mr. Lehman knows that it's in his own best interest to sell this property as the location for the 3rd high school (and I think it's been firmly established that he only acts in his own best interest), so I believe he will sell us the property at the original offering price, which is substanitially lower than BB. The location is not ideal, but neither was BB.

I understand that cost is very important (trust me, I've been called cheap) - but there are short-term and a long-term perspectives that needs to be kept here, as well. If Macom can come in significantly cheaper & in the same time-frame, it should be considered, but otherwise I don' think so.

[blankcheck]

I'm sure the SB knows the enrollment figures. I think that is a huge piece of the puzzle as to how they proceed.

Spending those additional funds for the land HAVE to come from somewhere : Build a smaller school, build the school without a stadium & pool ..... Whatever. Point is is that something will have to give. Just saying go ahead with BB does not show good fiscal responsibility.