SB Options for BB now

[rew]

It may seem that SB goofed when they assigned ESs to NV, but I believe they factored in the empty land/potential growth for the area.

I prefer not to start guessing what any new boundaries would look like, or who might be shifted where. I put the numbers out there to show that the option appears workable with a slightly smaller capacity at MV.

[wvhsparent]

rew,
Lehigh station IMHO is going have a very minimal impact on new students......That' not the demographic of the people it is geared for. At least that is what I have heard.

BTW I fall into the latter category, with my last in HS now.......soon to be the nemesis "legacy parent". My group is going to be your hard sell.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

rew,
Lehigh station IMHO is going have a very minimal impact on new students......That' not the demographic of the people it is geared for. At least that is what I have heard.

BTW I fall into the latter category, with my last in HS now.......soon to be the nemesis "legacy parent". My group is going to be your hard sell.

but you have to be careful - anytime housing is put up - who will live there not that easily defined. When they wanted to put up the 120 apartments on Rickert - the estimate for kids was 9 !. If you look at any plannning commissions records for 'estimating' student impact - they usually are about as accurate as the waetherman.

[warriorpride]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

rew,
Lehigh station IMHO is going have a very minimal impact on new students......That' not the demographic of the people it is geared for. At least that is what I have heard.

BTW I fall into the latter category, with my last in HS now.......soon to be the nemesis "legacy parent". My group is going to be your hard sell.

but you have to be careful - anytime housing is put up - who will live there not that easily defined. When they wanted to put up the 120 apartments on Rickert - the estimate for kids was 9 !. If you look at any plannning commissions records for 'estimating' student impact - they usually are about as accurate as the waetherman.

Speaking of more housing I notices apartments/condos going up at McDowell & Wall (just north of Brookdale in the open field that was there):

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mcdowell+%26+wall%2C+naperville%2C

Does anyone know if that is related to the senior housing next to it?

And, another factor in running from BB that needs to be considred is that the land is zoned multi-family, so we'd be getting more kids in the system.

[momof3]

rew said:

Bottom line is that if you can build it without asking for additional funds I think the majority of people don't want to hear about it.

Rew - I have to agree with you - in 5 years I don't think people will remember that land was supposed to be x percent of the budget and ended up being y percent. IMO a large majority of the voting public in 204 doesn't even remember that NV was over budget.

[momof3]

warriorpride said:

doctorwho said:

but you have to be careful - anytime housing is put up - who will live there not that easily defined. When they wanted to put up the 120 apartments on Rickert - the estimate for kids was 9 !. If you look at any plannning commissions records for 'estimating' student impact - they usually are about as accurate as the waetherman.

Speaking of more housing I notices apartments/condos going up at McDowell & Wall (just north of Brookdale in the open field that was there):

maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=mcdowell+%26+wall%2C+naperville%2C

Does anyone know if that is related to the senior housing next to it?

And, another factor in running from BB that needs to be considred is that the land is zoned multi-family, so we'd be getting more kids in the system.

Kimball is starting on the townhouses across from Cowlishaw. That land was zoned retail and they got it rezoned - it was supposed to be called 'Greenbrier' but now the sign says 'Mayfair.'

[lacy]

warriorpride said:

momof3 said:

Don't know if we can purchase less than 55 but back when PREIT announced the new lifestyle mall they said they 'looked forward to working with the district' since they would be neighbors. Since WV doesn't need the retention areas due to lake waubonsie-?- (hense the 40 acres) maybe PREIT would be willing to split the water retention needs for both properties...?

The one thing I wonder about building a smaller MV - does any of the wording the referendum obligate the SD to build a school with a capacity of 3000?

And taking Rew's idea further, maybe they could build an MV with an initial capacity of 2500, and plan ahead for the ability to add an extra 500 capacity if/when the need arises. This way, if the enrollment numbers never get as big as has been predicted, the addition never has to be done - but the ability to increase capacity is an available option (assuming they could come up with the $ to do it :-( ).

I was wondering if we could build a smaller school too, but someone I was talking to said that would change things regarding sports - the schools would be in different conferences. What is the enrollment criteria to be in the conference that WVHS and NVHS are in?

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

warriorpride said:

The one thing I wonder about building a smaller MV - does any of the wording the referendum obligate the SD to build a school with a capacity of 3000?

And taking Rew's idea further, maybe they could build an MV with an initial capacity of 2500, and plan ahead for the ability to add an extra 500 capacity if/when the need arises. This way, if the enrollment numbers never get as big as has been predicted, the addition never has to be done - but the ability to increase capacity is an available option (assuming they could come up with the $ to do it :-( ).

I was wondering if we could build a smaller school too, but someone I was talking to said that would change things regarding sports - the schools would be in different conferences. What is the enrollment criteria to be in the conference that WVHS and NVHS are in?

Nope that person was wrong - no conference issue at all.
see chart below because MV would then still be the 4th largest inthe conference -


Now where it could have an impact ( and it will vary by sport ) let's say is in football. Football has so many brackets ( 8) for state titles - and here is the latest breakout>

Year Class
1A Class < 336
2A Class > 337 - 445
3A Class > 456 - 624
4A Class > 625 - 996
5A Class > 997 - 1461
6A Class > 1462 - 2016
7A Class > 2017 - 2596
8A Class > 2597

so yes conceivably the schools could be in different brackets ( a chance to win 2 state titles - ;D

ALL schools in U8 are class 4A

However almost all other sports are at most 4 brackets ( some like volleyball just went from 4 to 2 and most coaches very critical of news brackets - lots of articles in Herald -

but all schools over 2000 are class 4A -- the largest attendance class.

so net - net :

Zero impact on conference - only impact will eventually be on Football playoff class - 7A vs 8A - unless they squeak over 2597 which is also possible.


Other Upstate 8 School attendance:
St Charles East >>> 2084
St Charles North >>> 2168
Bartlett >>> 2873
Streamwood >>> 2375
Lake Park >>> 1829
Elgin >>> 2176
Larkin >>> 2317
Easy Aurora >>> 2782

WV >>> 3635
NV >>> 4195

[warriorpride]

lacy said:

warriorpride said:

The one thing I wonder about building a smaller MV - does any of the wording the referendum obligate the SD to build a school with a capacity of 3000?

And taking Rew's idea further, maybe they could build an MV with an initial capacity of 2500, and plan ahead for the ability to add an extra 500 capacity if/when the need arises. This way, if the enrollment numbers never get as big as has been predicted, the addition never has to be done - but the ability to increase capacity is an available option (assuming they could come up with the $ to do it :-( ).

I was wondering if we could build a smaller school too, but someone I was talking to said that would change things regarding sports - the schools would be in different conferences. What is the enrollment criteria to be in the conference that WVHS and NVHS are in?

There are no rules for the conferences themselves. The enrollment numbers affect classification of the schools only for the state tournaments. Football has 8 classes now - I think basketball now has 4 - each sport seems to be a little different. If the HSs being in different classes for state competitions is the worst thing to happen out of all of this, I think we'd be OK. Actually, come to think of it, If NV had 4000 and WV and MV has 3000, NV would likely be in different class, any way. All of the sport-specific classifications & enrollment ranges is probably somehwere here: www.ihsa.org/

[doctorwho]

momof3 said:

rew said:

Bottom line is that if you can build it without asking for additional funds I think the majority of people don't want to hear about it.

Rew - I have to agree with you - in 5 years I don't think people will remember that land was supposed to be x percent of the budget and ended up being y percent. IMO a large majority of the voting public in 204 doesn't even remember that NV was over budget.

a very large part of the voting public did not live here when we built Neuqua

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

momof3 said:

Rew - I have to agree with you - in 5 years I don't think people will remember that land was supposed to be x percent of the budget and ended up being y percent. IMO a large majority of the voting public in 204 doesn't even remember that NV was over budget.

a very large part of the voting public did not live here when we built Neuqua

And those of us who did.... remember quite well thank you....

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

a very large part of the voting public did not live here when we built Neuqua

And those of us who did.... remember quite well thank you....

agree -- emblazened forever.

[justvote]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

a very large part of the voting public did not live here when we built Neuqua

And those of us who did.... remember quite well thank you....

That is not true for eveyone. You have older children in the system. Those of us who had children preschool age or younger during that time period were not that "in tune". I would venture to guess that those parents with younger kids right now will not have a strong recollection of what's currently transpiring 8-10 years from now.

[macy]

rew said:

I have spoken with neighbors and I will back what the poll is showing. Responses are"pay it and move forward now" or "run". I think it is a function of whether you are looking at the situation as an overcrowding issue, or you are looking at it from a cost perspective. And, not surprising, the people who want to "pay it" have kids in the system and people who want to look at other options are those not immediately impacted (no kids or young kids).

Bottom line is that if you can build it without asking for additional funds I think the majority of people don't want to hear about it.

FYI - I used 2006 report card numbers, enrollment in May 2006.

Some notes-- with the present enrollment and using avgs etc(very rough #s). The ESs currently feeding into our HSs, send 4400 to WVHS and 4600 to NVHS (this does not factor in LeHigh station etc). Yes, the housing industry has slowed, but those townhomes will be filled, even if the builders sell at rock bottom prices.

If you use those figures the ESs feeding the three HSs would be
WV 2700
MV 2700
NV 3600.

Again this is old data and does not factor any growth/projections etc.

I would like to see a poll of residents that are not affected by a school change. It would be interesting to see how those whose children will not be making a move to the new school feel about the impact of paying that much for property.

I believe gatordog had a good point on the effect of emotion on all our responses.

I'd be interested to see the opinion of those who supported the referendum in 06 vs. those who support it now. Especially those without a change in school assignment.

[blankcheck]

I for one have kids in the system and vote for run and enrollment. Way to high a price to pay for land and would like to see the enrollment figures for this year. Remember, by the time this is built, probably three classes will have gone through the system so you really need to look past the next two years (I am basing this on the school not being ready until 2010)