Land Options Open to 204

[momof3]

eagledad said:

I would think Daeschner, as he has no history or past involment with Macom should step up to the plate and run negotiations.

imo Dr. D has the perfect opportunity for the district to make nice with everyone - Macom and St. Johns. (eta - and the folks at the Helen V. Brach foundation)

[momof3]

macy said:

Let me be clear on this. I'm not of the mind set the school needs to be in Naperville to make it a good school. If someone has posted that opinion on this board recently, I've missed it.

I'm of the mindset that saving $15 million on land will make it a better school.

The things that make me think that BB is better than Macom site remain - closer to district center and no exposure to high voltage power lines. That is hard (for me) to put a price tag on. We looked at cheaper homes with high power lines running through the back yard but that was a deal breaker for me, I'm guessing we paid maybe 5-10% extra for our house to not have that.

[wvhsparent]

sd204taxpayer said:

eagledad said:

The SD needs to talk to Lehman. The fact that this hasn't already happened is shocking.

I would think Daeschner, as he has no history or past involment with Macom should step up to the plate and run negotiations. It is the administrations duty to do the ground-work, research them, and provide proposals to the board. We don't pay Daeschner 225K and our administrators 6 figures to wait for the board to take action.

I'll be watching closely to see how this is handled. We're down to 25 days to act on BB.

IMHO the Superintendant doesn't have much say in the matter - it comes down to what the board elects to do. The Super's role here is to prepare and review data needed by the Board to make their decisions.

Kinda like Howie did'nt....PULEEEZ! Howie was pulling the strings for BB since day1.

Maybe we should garnish his pension to make up for his mistakes.

[lacy]

archwinsome said:

lacy said:

IMHO that's what you've spent the last few days doing.

Quite to the contrary: My first choice is to just pay BB and be done with it once and for all and start construction.

I believe out of the two of us, your ideas are a wee bit less solidified, unless you want to give a definitive right here and now of what your plan is.

I see your point quite clearly - spend whatever it takes. Sell it to others that it would take longer to start over (debatable), taxes won't go up (remains to be seen).

I don't have to give you an alternative plan for my point of view to have merit. I expect the SB to explore alternatives and report to the taxpayers. That's their job.

[lacy]

eagledad said:

lacy said:

Dr - Sorry you're struggling with this. But most students who attend NVHS now can get there without traveling on 59 - some may have to cross it or travel for a short distance, but don't have much exposure. But students attending MVHS will have no other option but to drive on 59. So there is a difference. And it does constitute a safety concern - maybe it doesn't affect you, so it's not your concern. But to keep disparaging that concern is insensitive to those who will have to deal with it.

Let's see, WE and TG both cross 59 to go to NV today, but would not need to to attend MV (either at BB or Macom). So for all kids moving out of NV, this is better (and those 2 dubdivisions are a very large number of kids).

Who are the kids that would attend MV on BB that would need to cross 59, but don't do so today Lacy?

Crossing 59 and traveling on it are two different things. I can't think of a single area that currently attends NVHS that has to do much more than this (cross it). WE can cross 59 at 87th or come south in the neighborhood to 95th (which is how most come to Scullen since someone raised this quesiton). TG crosses at 95th. Tamarack can use 103rd. Book Rd. is an option, etc.

But locating the school at BB would require some people to travel on 59 from 95th to 75th. For a 16 year old, this is pretty frightening. The only viable option is to wind through WE (I'll be sure to have my kid drive by your house and honk loudly each morning, ED!)

[Arch]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

Quite to the contrary: My first choice is to just pay BB and be done with it once and for all and start construction.

I believe out of the two of us, your ideas are a wee bit less solidified, unless you want to give a definitive right here and now of what your plan is.

I see your point quite clearly - spend whatever it takes. Sell it to others that it would take longer to start over (debatable), taxes won't go up (remains to be seen).

I don't have to give you an alternative plan for my point of view to have merit. I expect the SB to explore alternatives and report to the taxpayers. That's their job.

Absent a workable better idea that has some solidification to it, people stick with the original. So, don't be surprised if it works out that way.

[Arch]

lacy said:

eagledad said:

Let's see, WE and TG both cross 59 to go to NV today, but would not need to to attend MV (either at BB or Macom). So for all kids moving out of NV, this is better (and those 2 dubdivisions are a very large number of kids).

Who are the kids that would attend MV on BB that would need to cross 59, but don't do so today Lacy?

Crossing 59 and traveling on it are two different things. I can't think of a single area that currently attends NVHS that has to do much more than this (cross it). WE can cross 59 at 87th or come south in the neighborhood to 95th (which is how most come to Scullen since someone raised this quesiton). TG crosses at 95th. Tamarack can use 103rd. Book Rd. is an option, etc.

But locating the school at BB would require some people to travel on 59 from 95th to 75th. For a 16 year old, this is pretty frightening. The only viable option is to wind through WE (I'll be sure to have my kid drive by your house and honk loudly each morning, ED!)

Actually, they can simply cross it too without traveling on it. Just as you point out people cut through neighborhoods, traveling from 95th to BB is as easy as taking Skylane to 83rd, heading west ACROSS rt 59, then cutting back north to the school through the neighborhood. They can avoid WE entirely.

Thanks for suggesting the neighborhood cut through. That works perfectly to overcome your concern about traveling down or up Rt 59 to BB property.

Name any other areas, and I'll plot you a similar non-rt 59 traveling course that only involves CROSSING it.

[lacy]

gatormom said:

doctorwho said:

I can't wait for the answer to this one as MACOM has Watts/Coulishaw/Owen all traveling south on 59 to get to that property instead of just crossing 59 as Fry does now -as well as Longwood going further on 59, and how does Gombert get there ? -- but see, we don't matter....that's the part you have to understand.

Not sure how Gombert will get there. We can take the back roads and avoid 59, I think but still have to cross those pesky RR tracks, you know the ones that many of our students cross every day, twice a day to get to ES and MS. Very dangerous but, not your problem right lacy?

You know Gatormom, I get very tired of your class warfare tactics. I don't disparage your concerns. The concern I raised about 59 is echoed throughout my neighborhood. It is a risk that our students will take that they currently do not have to take. And I think it's one that any Mom could understand. Perhaps if you quit looking at things through the prism of Naperville vs. Aurora it would be helpful to you.

[Arch]

Your travel concerns are answered above. Skylane Blvd (or even Book road), 75th and 83rd to the Rescue!

[lacy]

archwinsome said:

lacy said:

I see your point quite clearly - spend whatever it takes. Sell it to others that it would take longer to start over (debatable), taxes won't go up (remains to be seen).

I don't have to give you an alternative plan for my point of view to have merit. I expect the SB to explore alternatives and report to the taxpayers. That's their job.

Absent a workable better idea that has some solidification to it, people stick with the original. So, don't be surprised if it works out that way.

I think intelligent people regroup when things aren't going well and see if there are other alternatives. That would be what I would expect them to do (especially since they're spending our money)

[lacy]

archwinsome said:

lacy said:

Crossing 59 and traveling on it are two different things. I can't think of a single area that currently attends NVHS that has to do much more than this (cross it). WE can cross 59 at 87th or come south in the neighborhood to 95th (which is how most come to Scullen since someone raised this quesiton). TG crosses at 95th. Tamarack can use 103rd. Book Rd. is an option, etc.

But locating the school at BB would require some people to travel on 59 from 95th to 75th. For a 16 year old, this is pretty frightening. The only viable option is to wind through WE (I'll be sure to have my kid drive by your house and honk loudly each morning, ED!)

Actually, they can simply cross it too without traveling on it. Just as you point out people cut through neighborhoods, traveling from 95th to BB is as easy as taking Skylane to 83rd, heading west ACROSS rt 59, then cutting back north to the school through the neighborhood. They can avoid WE entirely.

Thanks for suggesting the neighborhood cut through. That works perfectly to overcome your concern about traveling down or up Rt 59 to BB property.

Name any other areas, and I'll plot you a similar non-rt 59 traveling course that only involves CROSSING it.

So people living west of 59 cross over and go up Skylane and then cross back over 59 again. Perhaps they could keep zigzagging back and forth all day just for fun.

Seems pretty convoluted to me. Maybe you should run for the SB.

[Arch]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

Absent a workable better idea that has some solidification to it, people stick with the original. So, don't be surprised if it works out that way.

I think intelligent people regroup when things aren't going well and see if there are other alternatives. That would be what I would expect them to do (especially since they're spending our money)

Intelligent people also understand not everyone will be happy with any decision and actually instead will just accomplish things without trying to please everyone. Nothing ever gets done when one only tries to focus on the later because it's simply unobtainable. Voters said spend the money and build a 3rd HS for X amount of money. If they can do that and get it done, everyone else with a complaint about where it happens to be can go have a group hug and feel better.

[dpc]

archwinsome said:

lacy said:

I see your point quite clearly - spend whatever it takes. Sell it to others that it would take longer to start over (debatable), taxes won't go up (remains to be seen).

I don't have to give you an alternative plan for my point of view to have merit. I expect the SB to explore alternatives and report to the taxpayers. That's their job.

Absent a workable better idea that has some solidification to it, people stick with the original. So, don't be surprised if it works out that way.

I won't be surprised at all as I have very little faith that anything has changed. It will be business as usual with MM running the show, JC throwing her emotional temper tantrums, AT, CB and JS going along with whatever MM wants. None of those members would ever admit that they may have made a mistake in pursuing BB at all costs so they will justify the purchase without ever seriously evaluating a different solution.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

Not sure how Gombert will get there. We can take the back roads and avoid 59, I think but still have to cross those pesky RR tracks, you know the ones that many of our students cross every day, twice a day to get to ES and MS. Very dangerous but, not your problem right lacy?

You know Gatormom, I get very tired of your class warfare tactics. I don't disparage your concerns. The concern I raised about 59 is echoed throughout my neighborhood. It is a risk that our students will take that they currently do not have to take. And I think it's one that any Mom could understand. Perhaps if you quit looking at things through the prism of Naperville vs. Aurora it would be helpful to you.

No lacy that had nothing to do with class warfare. It is a fact. Gombert as well as other students in this district cross those tracks every single day. Not safe but it is a fact. I don't know where you got class warfare here, I was answering a question as how would Gombert get to the Macom property. I in fact said, probably the back roads which is most likely the case.

As far as the Rt 59 concern, you can check in with Brookdale and the Granger neighborhoods, I think Eola is pretty darn close to Rt. 59 safety wise. The high schoolers from those neighborhoods do drive 59 and Eola to get to school.

[Arch]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

Actually, they can simply cross it too without traveling on it. Just as you point out people cut through neighborhoods, traveling from 95th to BB is as easy as taking Skylane to 83rd, heading west ACROSS rt 59, then cutting back north to the school through the neighborhood. They can avoid WE entirely.

Thanks for suggesting the neighborhood cut through. That works perfectly to overcome your concern about traveling down or up Rt 59 to BB property.

Name any other areas, and I'll plot you a similar non-rt 59 traveling course that only involves CROSSING it.

So people living west of 59 cross over and go up Skylane and then cross back over 59 again. Perhaps they could keep zigzagging back and forth all day just for fun.

Seems pretty convoluted to me. Maybe you should run for the SB.

It does, but people with a map or GPS would instead turn to north/south traveling roads on the WEST side of rt 59 such as Normantown, Middlebury or Eola... if they wanted to avoid driving on rt. 59.