Where to build MV

[warriorpride]

al said:

^ see, there's the problem WP, not at all to single you out but this is the view I've been hearing alot. This shouldn't be personal - maybe PL is a saint (!) maybe he's a jerk, it doesn't matter... He is sitting on an available piece of land and (if) as long as the SB and he can come to a mutually beneficial agreement then it means we can have our 3rd high school. Whether or not he benefits, donates his $ to charity, retires to Cuba... none of that matters.

Sorry, but it IS personal, to some extent.

[gatordog]

momof3 said:

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imo they will pi$$ off the smallest number of people if they stick to BB and don't ask for more $$ to build the school

You want to produce an extremely high p/o factor...try drawing boundaries at Macom site. I spent some time last night...and it is ugly.

By my reckoning...At least seven or eight ES's will be in objectively, undeniably worse off HS assignment in terms geography. And this is a long term cost that will be born by the entire district.

A few million upfront savings cannot be justified.

We have come up with a a good executive level decision factor for a political/economic/community decision...the p/o factor!

[EagleDad]

warriorpride said:

Sorry, but it IS personal, to some extent.

WP I can see where you're coming from. In speaking to people througout the community it seems that Paul Lehman is almost universally disliked, especially by those west of Eola Rd.

Apparently he has pulled a number of jerk stunts over the years. Not exactly a pillar of the community.

I'm sure suing Naperville over the height of a bridge didn't help, and I think there is still a chunk of sidewalk (like 100 feet) that Macom was supposed to put in in White Eagle, but never has (at least according to Leroy).

Needless to say, Paul ain't exactly loved around the area.

[macy]

al said:

bob said:

Good post al.

But may I still hold a grudge agianst BB?

fine with me! I plan on holding a grudge against the SB for the avoidable mess... not like I'll be easily voting yes to anything new they'd like to fund without proper homework...

Ditto!

[macy]

gatordog said:

momof3 said:

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imo they will pi$$ off the smallest number of people if they stick to BB and don't ask for more $$ to build the school

You want to produce an extremely high p/o factor...try drawing boundaries at Macom site. I spent some time last night...and it is ugly.

By my reckoning...At least seven or eight ES's will be in objectively, undeniably worse off HS assignment in terms geography. And this is a long term cost that will be born by the entire district.

A few million upfront savings cannot be justified.

We have come up with a a good executive level decision factor for a political/economic/community decision...the p/o factor!

If land is available elsewhere for a considerable cost difference it needs to be considered whether or not you have to redraw boundaries or not. Even if it's as difficult and emotional as last time.

You can't justify spending millions more just because we don't want to go through that again.

[Arch]

As we've seen, time is also money.

[momto4]

macy said:

gatordog said:

You want to produce an extremely high p/o factor...try drawing boundaries at Macom site. I spent some time last night...and it is ugly.

By my reckoning...At least seven or eight ES's will be in objectively, undeniably worse off HS assignment in terms geography. And this is a long term cost that will be born by the entire district.

A few million upfront savings cannot be justified.

We have come up with a a good executive level decision factor for a political/economic/community decision...the p/o factor!

If land is available elsewhere for a considerable cost difference it needs to be considered whether or not you have to redraw boundaries or not. Even if it's as difficult and emotional as last time.

You can't justify spending millions more just because we don't want to go through that again.

But it's worth millions to avoid building the school in a bad location, it would be stuck in that bad location forever and making things more difficult for countless families for decades to come.

[macy]

momto4 said:

macy said:

If land is available elsewhere for a considerable cost difference it needs to be considered whether or not you have to redraw boundaries or not. Even if it's as difficult and emotional as last time.

You can't justify spending millions more just because we don't want to go through that again.

But it's worth millions to avoid building the school in a bad location, it would be stuck in that bad location forever and making things more difficult for countless families for decades to come.

I don't have any reason to believe either Macom or St. Johns are in a bad location until I see the due diligence given to both the properties by the SB.

And also... Until we know the financial difference in costs, we could be talking about potentially having to spend 10% less on the structure than we have to. I want to build the best school possible for our tax dollars.

[warriorpride]

macy said:

gatordog said:

You want to produce an extremely high p/o factor...try drawing boundaries at Macom site. I spent some time last night...and it is ugly.

By my reckoning...At least seven or eight ES's will be in objectively, undeniably worse off HS assignment in terms geography. And this is a long term cost that will be born by the entire district.

A few million upfront savings cannot be justified.

We have come up with a a good executive level decision factor for a political/economic/community decision...the p/o factor!

If land is available elsewhere for a considerable cost difference it needs to be considered whether or not you have to redraw boundaries or not. Even if it's as difficult and emotional as last time.

You can't justify spending millions more just because we don't want to go through that again.

There are other important factors

[macy]

I agree with you... There are many factors.

[gatormom]

eagledad said:

warriorpride said:

Sorry, but it IS personal, to some extent.

WP I can see where you're coming from. In speaking to people througout the community it seems that Paul Lehman is almost universally disliked, especially by those west of Eola Rd.

Apparently he has pulled a number of jerk stunts over the years. Not exactly a pillar of the community.

I'm sure suing Naperville over the height of a bridge didn't help, and I think there is still a chunk of sidewalk (like 100 feet) that Macom was supposed to put in in White Eagle, but never has (at least according to Leroy).

Needless to say, Paul ain't exactly loved around the area.

West of the tracks. We can talk about it over a cold one some day.

[mommygator]

momto4 said:

macy said:

If land is available elsewhere for a considerable cost difference it needs to be considered whether or not you have to redraw boundaries or not. Even if it's as difficult and emotional as last time.

You can't justify spending millions more just because we don't want to go through that again.

But it's worth millions to avoid building the school in a bad location, it would be stuck in that bad location forever and making things more difficult for countless families for decades to come.

AGREED! Move forward with BB and be done with it NOW!

[Arch]

macy said:

momto4 said:

But it's worth millions to avoid building the school in a bad location, it would be stuck in that bad location forever and making things more difficult for countless families for decades to come.

I don't have any reason to believe either Macom or St. Johns are in a bad location until I see the due diligence given to both the properties by the SB.

And also... Until we know the financial difference in costs, we could be talking about potentially having to spend 10% less on the structure than we have to. I want to build the best school possible for our tax dollars.

I'd also like to see the due diligence that went into the 60 days claim for getting the site issue brought up to snuff including the new storm retention mandates, dealing with ComEd for moving existing utilities along the WC road that exists today before the road move and any other issues. Those can take at least 6 months in a lot of cases, even just dealing w/ ComEd to get the exiting lines removed.

[momto4]

macy said:

momto4 said:

But it's worth millions to avoid building the school in a bad location, it would be stuck in that bad location forever and making things more difficult for countless families for decades to come.

I don't have any reason to believe either Macom or St. Johns are in a bad location until I see the due diligence given to both the properties by the SB.

And also... Until we know the financial difference in costs, we could be talking about potentially having to spend 10% less on the structure than we have to. I want to build the best school possible for our tax dollars.

In absence of ANY other issues, come up with a boundary scenario that works well for the majority of the district with either of these location. I don't know of one. This is why I'm referring to them as bad locations.

[macy]

momto4 said:

macy said:

I don't have any reason to believe either Macom or St. Johns are in a bad location until I see the due diligence given to both the properties by the SB.

And also... Until we know the financial difference in costs, we could be talking about potentially having to spend 10% less on the structure than we have to. I want to build the best school possible for our tax dollars.

In absence of ANY other issues, come up with a boundary scenario that works well for the majority of the district with either of these location. I don't know of one. This is why I'm referring to them as bad locations.

Until I know the cost difference I will never consider an alternate location bad just based on having to redraw boundaries.

Are you saying that despite the cost difference we can't switch and potentially save millions because there is no way to redraw boundaries?

If you are, I completely disagree. Boundaries were brutal and will be again if we have to redo. But, I personally can't justify paying millions more. I'm sure many may disagree with me and that's okay.

It's just my opinion that we need to look into the other options at this point.