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Post by doctorwho on Oct 3, 2007 8:36:23 GMT -6
Why can't I get my question answered?? Who on the board, who was 100% behind BB two weeks ago is now unwilling to pay the $30M?? ... but honestly, do you think if the Ref was worded with the lot costs vs. building cost broken out with the $500K/acre number - does anyone think it would have passed? Not a chance. (IMHO) and while I'm on a rant  , why were we willing to take on the BB estate, which was destined to be messy, but we ran scared from taking on the mayor of Bolingbrook, or didn't really get into deep negotiations with some of the other sites? Anyone think any of those options would have been harder or less successful than our fun with BB? quote] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am glad to see your bottom line stance but just wanted to input on the se 2 comments:
1/ How much is the lot your house sits on worth ? I do not think the $500K per acre would have scared anyone off if the bottom line was still $124M. I do not believe many people even voted on that - they voted on how much more per year based on a $300K house. It is how every tax issue - school or not is portrayed here . Same with A/C - does anyone really care the exact price of a chiller - doubtful - the $55 per year figure is the one people remember as they are writing checks.
Maybe just my opinion, but I can tell you from a lot of door to door work on the referendum - most voters were unaware of total ref cost - land cost or a good many things - their first question was how much does it cost ME. And that equates to a yearly tax number.
just my opinion - others can comment.
2/ As far as taking on Roger Claar -- first off he hustled trucks to that area ASAP and started improvements - also what GOP politician here was going to take him on directly ? You can see how quickly things move through Springfield -- and ask Planfield school disrict that is looking at 2 separate lawsuits against Bolingbrook right now re: land usage. That was equally as bad to take on if not worse |
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Post by momof3 on Oct 3, 2007 8:38:35 GMT -6
I am a north person who voted no the 1st time and then after fianlly getting reliable data, voted yes the 2nd time around. Right now, there are enough students in the system to need the 3rd HS...I do believe that. While I do support a 3rd HS, and yes if it really comes down to it, I could live with BB (Holding nose), but I would really like them to find another spot (North). So put me in the camp of we need the 3rd HS wherever it is...........How many else here can say that? I mean you can have your own site preference, but in the end will support wherever it ultimately set. I support the 3rd HS regardless of the site. |
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Post by al on Oct 3, 2007 8:45:04 GMT -6
The only thing that bothers me about evaluating other sites is that we have evaluated BB for probably three yrs, we have a plan, we have bids etc. I wonder how feasible it is to really evaluate any other site in 23 days. I think we need to accept that to walk away from BB, is to go with a guess at best. And, yes, SSM this is where you come in and say 'plan B, I told you so"... Maybe the SB has a secret Plan B, ready to unveil. But otherwise, I have come to the conclusion, we really have no choice but to proceed. True - it's been three years - but this is three years of negotiating with an unwilling seller. I have no idea of what is going on in the mind of PL right now, but if he and the SB are committed to making this work I have no doubt a successful negotiation can happen within the time frame. As far as a build-out time, if the money saved on land is substantial, then a premium can be paid to accelerate the things that might otherwise hold up the construction (moving roads etc.). It's like when you watch different commercial buildings go up - ever wonder why it takes so long to put up certain big box stores, when they can get a Costco up within a few months? It's a non-stop, focused effort - required coordination and a committment by the construction company - but it can be done. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 3, 2007 8:48:00 GMT -6
How long do you think it takes to move a road like Wolf's Crossings and get all the approvals and studies done?
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 3, 2007 8:48:09 GMT -6
I have noticed...Government buildings always seem to take longer to be built that private sector ones.
I am sure profits have a bit to do with it.
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Post by macy on Oct 3, 2007 8:49:49 GMT -6
How long do you think it takes to move a road like Wolf's Crossings and get all the approvals and studies done? Eagledad, Bob and I have already offered to take care of that! |
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Post by wvhsparent on Oct 3, 2007 8:50:33 GMT -6
How long do you think it takes to move a road like Wolf's Crossings and get all the approvals and studies done? Barricades put up...road closed.....Done....couple of hours.....roadbed removed during site prep and or near the end at final grading. They have been working on moving that road for a while already. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 3, 2007 9:00:53 GMT -6
How long do you think it takes to move a road like Wolf's Crossings and get all the approvals and studies done? Barricades put up...road closed.....Done....couple of hours.....roadbed removed during site prep and or near the end at final grading. They have been working on moving that road for a while already. And who signed off on this 'plan' and could I get a hard copy of it that the firms and civil engineers approved as well? |
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Post by momto4 on Oct 3, 2007 9:05:15 GMT -6
WOW...The silence in deafening....... Some of us are occasionally away from the computer. I'm all for a third HS ASAP regardless of location. Now I can read through the 5 pages of posts that happened since I last checked in! |
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Post by al on Oct 3, 2007 9:06:08 GMT -6
1/ How much is the lot your house sits on worth ? I do not think the $500K per acre would have scared anyone off if the bottom line was still $124M. I do not believe many people even voted on that - they voted on how much more per year based on a $300K house. It is how every tax issue - school or not is portrayed here . Same with A/C - does anyone really care the exact price of a chiller - doubtful - the $55 per year figure is the one people remember as they are writing checks. Maybe just my opinion, but I can tell you from a lot of door to door work on the referendum - most voters were unaware of total ref cost - land cost or a good many things - their first question was how much does it cost ME. And that equates to a yearly tax number. just my opinion - others can comment. 2/ As far as taking on Roger Claar -- first off he hustled trucks to that area ASAP and started improvements - also what GOP politician here was going to take him on directly ? You can see how quickly things move through Springfield -- and ask Plainfield school disrict that is looking at 2 separate lawsuits against Bolingbrook right now re: land usage. That was equally as bad to take on if not worse [/color][/quote] Thanks for the input - as I am just talking out of my (hat) I appreciate the discussion more than you can imagine... Likely you are right about the average Ref voter... I honestly had not considered that voters break it down to "what does it cost me?" but I'm sure many see it that way. Personally I've never calculated that, everything costs more every year - it all blends in, vote against a Ref due to costs and as soon as you leave the polls your car will need repairs or the roof will leak or something... and the Ref costs will end up chump change in comparison - it's always something! Bolingbrook - I did read about this guy again yesterday, appears to be a real (to be gentle) tool. It just infuriates me to this day that it's ok to send your residents to schools here, but not to locate their school in your town... I just lump Bolingbrook in as a longshot because of this. (and as an aside - call it bad karma, but after dealing with BB for the Costco building, they will now be dealing with this guy as the begin the roll out for the new Bolingbrook Costco.) Back to the issue though - I honestly think, whether one does or does not like the Macom site, that PL and the SB can come to a mutually beneficial solution. Lehman is a businessman and this should be nothing other than a business negotiation. The "it pisses me off that he wants to dictate which school his homes go to" and all that really should have no factor in it. I can promise you Lehman didn't get where he is by being emotionally involved in such decisions. I can only hope whoever is our main negotiator for the SB is equally qualified and they can get in there and get this job done. and yes, my kids are slated for NV under the current boundaries, but I can see a scenario where it would make sense, as one of the southernmost areas, that they would go to MV if located at Macom. Whatever - they'll get over it. Keep the information coming |
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Post by bob on Oct 3, 2007 9:17:20 GMT -6
Barricades put up...road closed.....Done....couple of hours.....roadbed removed during site prep and or near the end at final grading. They have been working on moving that road for a while already. And who signed off on this 'plan' and could I get a hard copy of it that the firms and civil engineers approved as well? Naperville Web site. Search Wolf's Crossing |
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Post by 204parent on Oct 3, 2007 9:20:33 GMT -6
I had to go back to the 6-day enrollment figures before I answered. No matter which 4 grades I add up, I can't come up with much more than about 1000 additional kids beyond what we are housing now. And we aren't hearing about crowded classrooms at NVHS or Scullen (the most frequently mentioned overcrowded schools) - hallways yes, but not classrooms. What's also concerning is the drop off in enrollment at K and 1st grade. If that continues, the "bubble" is already in the system and will barely be addressed by the time we build anything anywhere. If the district was really concerned about the kids currently in the system, they would have moved much quicker. When the first referendum failed, they could have built a middle school. Instead, they came back to the public with threats of split shifts, 5000 student highschools, etc. With the enrollment looking to be vastly different than the doom and gloom scenarios presented during the referendum, I think we need to look at some alternatives before we build a 3000 seat high school for 1000 kids.I do however think we need additional space at some level. What I would like to see is a very thoughtful and careful analysis of different options that is presented to the public. This would include looking at other sites as well as other alternatives to a 3000 seat high school. Just because we have land cash donations or other funds available, it doesn't mean we should spend full steam ahead. If the landscape has changed (enrollment and much higher land costs), we should take a second look. Otherwise, we could have another Petersen on our hands (and a very expensive one at that). Agreed,,the SB just "wanted" a 3rd hs because it was 'easier' work for them. Now comes the hard part. If we only have an abundance of 1000 at any given year, why are we building 3009 seats?? This has always been a sticking point for me.And I could care less if 300 mediocre kids try out for 15 spots on a soccer team and don't make it. Or your kid didn't make lst seat violin A 3000 seat facility doesn't improve 90% of those kids chances anyway. Plan to resolve the 1000 seat problem with fiduciary eyes.
The Middle Schools are overcrowded now, with no endpoint in sight. The only relief will come from building a new school. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 3, 2007 9:30:04 GMT -6
And who signed off on this 'plan' and could I get a hard copy of it that the firms and civil engineers approved as well? Naperville Web site. Search Wolf's Crossing Why does that still look like it's going right through the property site? Proposed half way through, then back north...? Was the site plan for the school there having the building further south towards the power lines or over all the way on the eastern side? Maybe I misunderstood the east/west borders of the location to begin with. I can't find the URL for their tentative plan for the layout anymore. |
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Post by momto4 on Oct 3, 2007 9:35:35 GMT -6
I want to know....how many people who, as of two weeks ago, were 1) supportive of the third HS, 2)supportive of the BB location, and 3) supportive of the boundary decision, have changed their opinion? We all know that excludes some of you and you have adequately voiced your objections. I would like to know for whom the price has changed your opinion of BB from a positive to a negative??. Without having yet read any replies to this - I have always been supportive of the 3rd HS and BB and though I was extremely disappointed with the verdict I have not seen any evidence that there is a better or less costly site available that would allow us to open in a timely manner and would be a good location for the short and long-term for district residents. |
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Post by dpc on Oct 3, 2007 9:50:58 GMT -6
I was extremely disappointed with the verdict I have not seen any evidence that there is a better or less costly site available that would allow us to open in a timely manner and would be a good location for the short and long-term for district residents. Have you seen actual evidence from due diligence performed by the SD on alternative sites? If so, please do share with us. |
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, why were we willing to take on the BB estate, which was destined to be messy, but we ran scared from taking on the mayor of Bolingbrook, or didn't really get into deep negotiations with some of the other sites? Anyone think any of those options would have been harder or less successful than our fun with BB?
