Where to build MV

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harry said:

archwinsome said:

It's hard for the kids if the parent and teachers show them it's hard. I give kudos to the positive attitudes of the teachers and parents for not wallowing in the situation but instead making the best of it.

Just because a kid does not think it's hard doesn't mean it isn't. Adults can influence how children feel about things. Sometimes that influence is very positive, sometimes it can be very negative.

Answer this honestly though:

If some kids did give you the 'BooHoo' story, would you accept it or dismiss it as something the parents put them up to?

I agree with you that children get their cues from their parents, so when parents cry when Jackie didn't get Mrs. Smith for 5th grade and that holding a class in the library is 'unacceptable' by the parents standards, that children can take on that negativity.

Answer to the question.... If they complain about the cafeteria running out of Jello pudding because the have the last lunch hour.... or they couldn't make a cut sport/musicial, I think you know what my answer is....

The students that spoke at the open forums did not complain about what you posted above. They complained about the crowded conditions at the schools. Why is that not good enough? Do you think there are less students in the schools now than there were back in 2005/2006?

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harry said:

rew said:

Yes, but they came to the conclusion that the space was needed at both the MS and HS level and that a middle school would not resolve the overcrowding issues.

Using NIU's numbers??? Can anyone resurrect those numbers??

One did not have to even look at NIUs numbers to reach the conclusion that more space was needed at the HS and middle school level. All one had to do was consider empty nesters moving out (which is happening), backfilling with younger families and the continued building of more residential places in the district.

[rew]

They had numbers from NIU and they had district projections...and they also had freewill and minds to think. Eventually they decided on their own numbers.

And, yes, I do understand your tactic of diverting from the topic at hand. It doesn't matter, the YES vote won, the third HS will be built, whether it sits empty , half full or bursting at the seams, it is a done deal, harry , move on. The question posed is when and where.

[harry]

archwinsome said:

harry said:

I agree with you that children get their cues from their parents, so when parents cry when Jackie didn't get Mrs. Smith for 5th grade and that holding a class in the library is 'unacceptable' by the parents standards, that children can take on that negativity.

Answer to the question.... If they complain about the cafeteria running out of Jello pudding because the have the last lunch hour.... or they couldn't make a cut sport/musicial, I think you know what my answer is....

The students that spoke at the open forums did not complain about what you posted above. They complained about the crowded conditions at the schools. Why is that not good enough? Do you think there are less students in the schools now than there were back in 2005/2006?

IIRC and please copy a thread here for clarity if you can find one, the students that complained complained about crowded hallways (easily fixed by staggered bells) and lunchrooms, not crowded classrooms, individual instruction, et al. Priorities

[harry]

rew said:

They had numbers from NIU and they had district projections...and they also had freewill and minds to think. Eventually they decided on their own numbers.

which are not correct today

[rew]

see my modified post above

[southsidemom]

I support a high school, but the landscape has changed. I wasn't as optimistic about BB turning out just the way the SD/SB said.

If they pay what most consider an outlandish price, my concern is with the 2009 referendum. They are showing people that there are sources of money when they want to find them (just like they did with Waubonsie repairs) so why can't they find more money to pay the teachers.

I think purchasing the golden land is going to have a ripple affect. Does anyone remeber U46 buildings sitting empty with no op funds.

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Everyone can just home-school without operating funds... Since there's so many stay at home parents with so much free time on their hands in this district.

I guess then they will get what they pay for.

[rew]

I think if people feel they voted YES and then the game was changed, many will not support another ref either.

[momof3]

rew said:

I think if people feel they voted YES and then the game was changed, many will not support another ref either.

That is right - the problem is the "game changed" means:
1. SB said BB and established boundaries and then changed location, boundaries, or both (imo there is no way to change location and not boundaries)
2. SB sticks with BB and predicted X cost for land and it's now Y cost
The SB is going to pi$$ off loads of people no matter what they do.

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momof3 said:

rew said:

I think if people feel they voted YES and then the game was changed, many will not support another ref either.

That is right - the problem is the "game changed" means:
1. SB said BB and established boundaries and then changed location, boundaries, or both (imo there is no way to change location and not boundaries)
2. SB sticks with BB and predicted X cost for land and it's now Y cost
The SB is going to pi$$ off loads of people no matter what they do.

Very true.. which is why I always come back to this which was said by someone before the last election (around March 20th)

“We need land. We need to be able to house children in a timely fashion by fall 2009,” said Davis.

That's what it all comes down to in my mind.

[momof3]

archwinsome said:

momof3 said:

That is right - the problem is the "game changed" means:
1. SB said BB and established boundaries and then changed location, boundaries, or both (imo there is no way to change location and not boundaries)
2. SB sticks with BB and predicted X cost for land and it's now Y cost
The SB is going to pi$$ off loads of people no matter what they do.

Very true.. which is why I always come back to this which was said by someone before the last election (around March 20th)

“We need land. We need to be able to house children in a timely fashion by fall 2009,” said Davis.

That's what it all comes down to in my mind.

imo they will pi$$ off the smallest number of people if they stick to BB and don't ask for more $$ to build the school

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momof3 said:

archwinsome said:

Very true.. which is why I always come back to this which was said by someone before the last election (around March 20th)

“We need land. We need to be able to house children in a timely fashion by fall 2009,” said Davis.

That's what it all comes down to in my mind.

imo they will pi$$ off the smallest number of people if they stick to BB and don't ask for more $$ to build the school

It sounds like we are on the exact same page. No boundaries to rehash, stay within budget and press ahead and get it complete. The part that remains is the staying within budget.

[rew]

I would agree MO3.

[doctorwho]

southsidemom said:

I support a high school, but the landscape has changed. I wasn't as optimistic about BB turning out just the way the SD/SB said.

If they pay what most consider an outlandish price, my concern is with the 2009 referendum. They are showing people that there are sources of money when they want to find them (just like they did with Waubonsie repairs) so why can't they find more money to pay the teachers.

I think purchasing the golden land is going to have a ripple affect. Does anyone remeber U46 buildings sitting empty with no op funds.

I still don't see most voters digging thru that level of detail . Also where the other money to cover comes from has some impact - if it somehow came even in portion from corporate donations- I believe it would be viewed very positively. Now if there had to be another referendum for building money to close the gap - all bets are off. That all voters underststand. That is the only way I see 2009 op ref in any jeopardy - or somehow people get mislead into believing it is for the building itself.

Outside of places like this board, and some other highly focused groups - these details just do not resonate IMHO.