Wagner Farm

[lacy]

gatormom said:

I never really thought about the consequences of Wagner Farm. Why not just rename the schools Neuqua East and Neuqua South?

It sounds like utopia for some folk in south Naperville. Everything they ever wanted, two Neuquas, all Naperville, and nobody will have to go to Waubonsie.

This is obviously not a reason to not build MV on Wagner Farms, it is just going to make the divide in this district wider and probably unrepairable. Just my humble opinion.

It would be my humble opinion that the attitude you just expressed is part of the problem in the district and has led to some really bad decisions on the SD's part.

Maybe you should just get over the whole NVHS thing.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

t1p,

I'm confused too how sharing (if at another location) is a deal breaker, but now it's OK if at this location... must mean it was really OK all along.

Sharing when 2 schools are that close is different from sharing when they aren't that close.

I don't think it's feasible to share facilities if the school is at BB.

So the scheduling difficulties go away by virtue of distance. I got the impression that the biggest issue with sharing facilities was how much the facilities are used and not distance.

[EagleDad]

Yes rew, but I'm limited to my rudimentary copy/paste/flip skills. I go either with way on sharing a stadium (don't really care). Maybe the land is reserved (it's clearly there), and a much simpler practice field is put in with an eye towards future stadium possibilites if needed. The practice field could be used by both, and could save wear and tear on the main field when not needed.

Besides, we're saving so much money on land vs Brach Brodie, right? ;-)

I just wanted to show that the current amenities of Neuqua are an exact fit on the noth fork of Wagner. I've transplanted the school, all water runoff, baseball, soccer, and football fields and tennis courts. A lot more juggling would need to be done to figure out the layouts of the sports fields and parking, I just wanted to highlight it readily achievable and raises some very interesting sharing/load balancing scenarios. The freshman campus and library are equidistant from both schools and there would be enormous overflow parking when there was a big event at either school (shuttles, or shuttles to student parking?). Access to both schools would be great and access to Neuqua from the South/East could actually be significantly upgraded.

[bob]

Ed: boundaries would have to change.

With that site you possibly created a whole new bunch of walkers. Maybe 3-4 grade school area could walk to Wagner farms.


If you double up the football stadium, you might have to put turf down.

[lacy]

bob said:

Ed: boundaries would have to change.

With that site you possibly created a whole new bunch of walkers.


If you double up the football stadium, you might have to put turf down.

Many of the new walkers were supposed to go to MVHS anyway. The rest are also walkers to NVHS - so they could go to either. I can't see that anything would have to change.

[bob]

Just by looking at the map, you have the area next to Wagner which goes to Peterson. Most of Patterson and Kendall would be walkers. Just eyeballing it, Graham would have a chunk that could walk to Wagner.

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

t1p,

I'm confused too how sharing (if at another location) is a deal breaker, but now it's OK if at this location... must mean it was really OK all along.

Just my opinion here, but this does seem to be a flip flop and negates many of the arguments that were made about just how many peple use he facilities and how scheduling can't be done. Distance does nothing to alleviate that --

Now I do think it could be a 'temporary' fix for some things - like the first year open may not have to have the field done on time etc....but what happened to 'we paid for the SAME amenities "?

If the fields and other amenities are busy all the time as claimed here ( and I do believe that is very much right ) - how do they suddenly have room for twice the students / teams ?

Again, a temporary fix to get a school open yes ( cut down practice times for both schools etc, but- a permanent solution - why ? Just because a team can walk there does not make the facility available and more than a 5 - 10 minute bus ride would have been from BB.

Do not short change MV. I have agreed when people did not want to do it at any other site - and don't want it done even if the site is Wagner Farms.

Someone please help me with the logic as to how it now works -- but wouldn't work from a few minutes away ( and we all know that site is basically dead - so it's a hypothetical question most likely ) -- I didn't want to share facilities when it was set for BB either to make BB work financially.

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

bob said:

Ed: boundaries would have to change.

With that site you possibly created a whole new bunch of walkers.


If you double up the football stadium, you might have to put turf down.

Many of the new walkers were supposed to go to MVHS anyway. The rest are also walkers to NVHS - so they could go to either. I can't see that anything would have to change.

I do think the travel time from Longwood to MVHS would have to be looked at - gotta be fair ( but I can't speak for them) - I don't want to commute from Watts to AME or Ferry road - that commute going to be similar.

[rew]

I think you could likely see a different boundary scenario, where GOM stays at WV, LW,MW,COW,OW move to NV oh, you know the drill

[lacy]

In the cases where scheduling or space limitations are a problem, then they couldn't share and to require them to wouldn't be right. But in cases where the space could be shared without such limitations, then maybe there is a cost savings. I would think that both situations would exist and they would have to study that. Build duplicate facilities where there isn't room and share those where there is room.

[gatormom]

lacy said:

gatormom said:

I never really thought about the consequences of Wagner Farm. Why not just rename the schools Neuqua East and Neuqua South?

It sounds like utopia for some folk in south Naperville. Everything they ever wanted, two Neuquas, all Naperville, and nobody will have to go to Waubonsie.

This is obviously not a reason to not build MV on Wagner Farms, it is just going to make the divide in this district wider and probably unrepairable. Just my humble opinion.

It would be my humble opinion that the attitude you just expressed is part of the problem in the district and has led to some really bad decisions on the SD's part.

Maybe you should just get over the whole NVHS thing.

Yeah I know, just starting class wars again. This is an issue whether you chose to acknowledge it or not. Once again, I did say that is not the reason to not build there but just a consideration.

For someone who has argued very strongly for Macom, started the discussion of why TG should go to NV all over (the bridge), and now has decided it is okay to forgo amenities at MV once it is buit in Naperville; I guess I could say the same to you, maybe you should just get over the whole NVHS thing. But that is just my read, I am probably wrong.

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

archwinsome said:

t1p,

I'm confused too how sharing (if at another location) is a deal breaker, but now it's OK if at this location... must mean it was really OK all along.

Sharing when 2 schools are that close is different from sharing when they aren't that close.

I don't think it's feasible to share facilities if the school is at BB.

If the fields / centers are in use when the school is 5 minutes away -or 10 minutes away makes no difference so I disagree. Do not short change the kids currently at NV but cutting their practices - experiences - and then do the same thing to the new kids at MV. There is suppoised to be enough money in the referendum to pay for SIMILAR facilities - I am not understanding how it is any different.

Again, temporarily - for a year or so - anything can be made to work - but it should not be a permanent decision -

let's not get so excited about a location that may work that we overlook what basically everyone has been saying all along - build the same type of school and facilities - there is no reason they shouldn't - regardless of location

[lacy]

bob said:

Just by looking at the map, you have the area next to Wagner which goes to Peterson. Most of Patterson and Kendall would be walkers. Just eyeballing it, Graham would have a chunk that could walk to Wagner.

Patterson is clearly closer to NVHS and some are walkers to NVHS, so I don't think Patterson is affected at all.

Regarding Kendall and the area next to Wagner, if it made sense for them to now walk to the Wagner site, then maybe someone from farther away (like Watts) could attend NVHS instead of MVHS in their place.

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

In the cases where scheduling or space limitations are a problem, then they couldn't share and to require them to wouldn't be right. But in cases where the space could be shared without such limitations, then maybe there is a cost savings. I would think that both situations would exist and they would have to study that. Build duplicate facilities where there isn't room and share those where there is room.

I am guessing most -- especially all practice fields would have to be built -- the main stadium could be studied - but let's not short change anyone either -- I dont want kids practicing at all hours because fields arent available - let's keep it a level playing field ( pun intended )

[lacy]

gatormom said:

lacy said:

It would be my humble opinion that the attitude you just expressed is part of the problem in the district and has led to some really bad decisions on the SD's part.

Maybe you should just get over the whole NVHS thing.

Yeah I know, just starting class wars again. This is an issue whether you chose to acknowledge it or not. Once again, I did say that is not the reason to not build there but just a consideration.

For someone who has argued very strongly for Macom, started the discussion of why TG should go to NV all over (the bridge), and now has decided it is okay to forgo amenities at MV once it is buit in Naperville; I guess I could say the same to you, maybe you should just get over the whole NVHS thing. But that is just my read, I am probably wrong.

With regard to amenities, please read my previous post - what I said is there may be instances where space could be shared and instances where maybe space could not be shared and that would have to be studied.

I think what you fail to understand regarding the bridge, etc., is that some people just wanted to go to the school nearest to them (that their kids could walk to) rather than be bused farther away, so yes you are very wrong - and your accusations get very tiring.

As for the class warfare, I have no idea why you chose to start that. You comments "and nobody will have to go to Waubonsie" sound like it is some sort of punishment to go to WVHS and I find that very sad.

It is only logical to wonder if you will only be satisfied if you get out of WVHS and someone who doesn't currently attend there will be assigned there. I hope that's not true. I have always felt that that mentality drove some of the decisions regarding the location for the new school and if it did - that's just plain wrong.