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Post by steckdad on Mar 8, 2010 23:00:20 GMT -6
because I have lived in the area for 18 years I can make that opinion arch. Not a travesty. Not having access to a quality education is a travesty. Having to make an uncomfortable drive to get to HS is far from one. It is funny to me how your area of expertise has changed from pipelines to commercial construction  I want you to have your opinion, but I went to the open house and a basketball game there and I think you are way off base imo. I haven't been in the auditorium yet so I can't comment. I apparently know more than you do if you can't find the flaws in the building. Let's meet up there sometime and I will point them out to you. Working and building out 7 very large data centers in 3 states from the planning phase all the way to turn up obviously doesn't teach anyone anything about dealing with contractors, electrical, climate control, hardened security, fire suppression, etc. Whether you went to the open house or not doesn't change the fact that it's an expensive price tag for cheap materials and even cheaper construction quality. It's new, but it's cheaply built and the rush job is very apparent. That alone is a travesty to the taxpayers. They paid a Ferrari price and wound up with a Ford Festiva with a spoiler and a shiny flow-thru muffler. A simple itemized price list of everything for MVHS would show either you are wrong or I am wrong. I'd be happy if you could make me eat crow on this one. As for the auditorium, just to give you a specific: some of the runners on the sides are broken in functionality before the first show and are not functional for what they are supposed to do so the audience will easily be able to see people waiting off stage during the performance this Friday/Saturday. Like I said: Cheap goods, cheap workmanship. To be fair I got to imagine you were searching for even the smallest flaw to add to your list of things you feel are wrong with MVHS. here's what you get for 200 mill. btw.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_North_High_School |
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Post by Arch on Mar 8, 2010 23:03:55 GMT -6
I apparently know more than you do if you can't find the flaws in the building. Let's meet up there sometime and I will point them out to you. Working and building out 7 very large data centers in 3 states from the planning phase all the way to turn up obviously doesn't teach anyone anything about dealing with contractors, electrical, climate control, hardened security, fire suppression, etc. Whether you went to the open house or not doesn't change the fact that it's an expensive price tag for cheap materials and even cheaper construction quality. It's new, but it's cheaply built and the rush job is very apparent. That alone is a travesty to the taxpayers. They paid a Ferrari price and wound up with a Ford Festiva with a spoiler and a shiny flow-thru muffler. A simple itemized price list of everything for MVHS would show either you are wrong or I am wrong. I'd be happy if you could make me eat crow on this one. As for the auditorium, just to give you a specific: some of the runners on the sides are broken in functionality before the first show and are not functional for what they are supposed to do so the audience will easily be able to see people waiting off stage during the performance this Friday/Saturday. Like I said: Cheap goods, cheap workmanship. To be fair I got to imagine you were searching for even the smallest flaw to add to your list of things you feel are wrong with MVHS. here's what you get for 200 mill. btw.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_North_High_SchoolYou imagine wrong. Do you expect your brand new car to have dings and crunches in it and broken stuff when you drive it off the lot? Maybe that's just the norm in IL. As a taxpayer, you embrace the slogan: MVHS, we found one other HS in the country that doesn't suck as bad for the price. ? |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 8, 2010 23:15:13 GMT -6
You imagine wrong. Do you expect your brand new car to have dings and crunches in it and broken stuff when you drive it off the lot? As a taxpayer, you embrace the slogan: MVHS, we found one other HS in the country that doesn't suck as bad for the price. ? I saw the pics you posted...didn't have a problem with them. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 8, 2010 23:23:41 GMT -6
You imagine wrong. Do you expect your brand new car to have dings and crunches in it and broken stuff when you drive it off the lot? As a taxpayer, you embrace the slogan: MVHS, we found one other HS in the country that doesn't suck as bad for the price. ? I saw the pics you posted...didn't have a problem with them. As one who doesn't go there, I wouldn't imagine you would have a problem with any of it, even the new cracks... |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 8, 2010 23:54:09 GMT -6
No travesty? Are you someone making that drive for your kids right now? Oh... that answer would be NO wouldn't it? Thanks for trying to speak on behalf of those WHO ARE when YOU ARE NOT. Do you enjoy preaching from a lack of knowledge or experience? For approx 150 million bucks the place is certainly a travesty. The materials and workmanship are a sh!t HOLE. I've witnessed slum lords use better materials and workmanship in their places than was used/installed at MVHS. Who the heck paid over bloated prices for cheap sub-par materials and workmanship? This 'wonderful auditorium' is a joke. Who puts seats in the front section aligned behind each other and not offset to help people see the stage from that front-angle besides the CLUELESS or people who DO NOT CARE or who DO NOT KNOW ANY BETTER ? The place is a paper tiger that they tried really hard to make 'appear' like it's all that and a bag of chips but the reality is that it's the cheapest materials used, with very little quality control and no real knowledge of HOW to do things. So, who got to bank all that extra money, huh? Did we 'save' for this sub-par job or did we send lots of money to some groups/entities for sub-par cheap sh!t stuff in return ? Wait, your area doesn't go there, and you said you have ES kids so you have no f**k**g clue what you're talking about when it comes to MVHS and never need to know about it either. Awesome! because I have lived in the area for 18 years I can make that opinion arch. Not a travesty. Not having access to a quality education is a travesty. Having to make an uncomfortable drive to get to HS is far from one. It is funny to me how your area of expertise has changed from pipelines to commercial construction I want you to have your opinion, but I went to the open house and a basketball game there and I think you are way off base imo. I haven't been in the auditorium yet so I can't comment. So steckdad, in your 18 years here you must have gotten a chance to vote on the 2005 and 2006 referendums. Why don't you share with us how you voted? Is that too much to ask? |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 0:02:01 GMT -6
to all posters...my original post in this thread said if someone owed you 7 million dollars you would try and get the word out. I stand by that statement. It doesn't matter how much you want to villify(sp) 204, you would do what you could to get the $$. To say anything else would be a lie. That's the way I feel about that $17 million funding gap for MVHS. And that's no lie. Sloppy laws that allow people who are supposed to be representing you misrepresent the facts and use the money anyway, inflating the final cost for MVHS by 15% without so much as a referendum. Funny thing is, even members of the School Board couldn't figure out what I was talking about. I'll bet MM understood it. |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 0:12:54 GMT -6
I have highlighted 4 statements/paragraphs steckdad. Let me respond to each. Lets start with the last. "I just don't see the outcry" This board wasn't created for you. It was created to provide information. To create some transparency for the community. To provide facts that others won't. Second, it seems like a fair number of people on this board are going beyond "if things had gone as planned" to ask why they were done at all, what was the due diligence done by our Board and the Administration, etc. The last decade of "planning" appears, imo, to be ad hoc at best. Third, "... all things 204 are evil or twisted to look that way..." Forget Doc for a moment and tell me what, if anything, I have said on this board that is "evil or twisted to look that way". That is an accusation involving every one on this board, as your subject is " the outcry on this board." So tell me, steckdad, what have I declared evil? What have I twisted? Beyond that, what has anyone declared "evil or twisted to look that way"? Have to finish later... you do a great job getting that info out there Mac...you got all your ducks in a row....I think you would have been a fine addition to the SB. I am not sure how you only managed a few more votes than a guy who could barely speak english. (not a slam on the guy because I know he is very intelligent) IMO you think you have a smoking gun and I think you do not. this is where we differ. You never did respond steckdad. What is the "smoking gun" you think I have but really don't? Do you think I am into conspiracies or something? Maybe you can direct me to a post where I allude to the "smoking gun"  |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 9, 2010 6:55:09 GMT -6
I apparently know more than you do if you can't find the flaws in the building. Let's meet up there sometime and I will point them out to you. Working and building out 7 very large data centers in 3 states from the planning phase all the way to turn up obviously doesn't teach anyone anything about dealing with contractors, electrical, climate control, hardened security, fire suppression, etc. Whether you went to the open house or not doesn't change the fact that it's an expensive price tag for cheap materials and even cheaper construction quality. It's new, but it's cheaply built and the rush job is very apparent. That alone is a travesty to the taxpayers. They paid a Ferrari price and wound up with a Ford Festiva with a spoiler and a shiny flow-thru muffler. A simple itemized price list of everything for MVHS would show either you are wrong or I am wrong. I'd be happy if you could make me eat crow on this one. As for the auditorium, just to give you a specific: some of the runners on the sides are broken in functionality before the first show and are not functional for what they are supposed to do so the audience will easily be able to see people waiting off stage during the performance this Friday/Saturday. Like I said: Cheap goods, cheap workmanship. To be fair I got to imagine you were searching for even the smallest flaw to add to your list of things you feel are wrong with MVHS. here's what you get for 200 mill. btw.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_North_High_Schoolgreat someone who got a crappier job for their money than us- I feel so much better now. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 9, 2010 7:08:06 GMT -6
great someone who got a crappier job for their money than us- I feel so much better now. Obviously, that fixes things here. No more problems. Voila! Genius! |
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Post by casey on Mar 9, 2010 7:37:10 GMT -6
I have to admit that every time I see a post by steckdad with his avatar of Winston Churchill I am reminded that this picture looks like an aged Mark Metzger. Am I the only one that sees the resemblance between MM and Winston Churchill in this picture? Recognize I am NOT comparing MM to Winston Churchill other than physical appearance . |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 8:00:42 GMT -6
I apparently know more than you do if you can't find the flaws in the building. Let's meet up there sometime and I will point them out to you. Working and building out 7 very large data centers in 3 states from the planning phase all the way to turn up obviously doesn't teach anyone anything about dealing with contractors, electrical, climate control, hardened security, fire suppression, etc. Whether you went to the open house or not doesn't change the fact that it's an expensive price tag for cheap materials and even cheaper construction quality. It's new, but it's cheaply built and the rush job is very apparent. That alone is a travesty to the taxpayers. They paid a Ferrari price and wound up with a Ford Festiva with a spoiler and a shiny flow-thru muffler. A simple itemized price list of everything for MVHS would show either you are wrong or I am wrong. I'd be happy if you could make me eat crow on this one. As for the auditorium, just to give you a specific: some of the runners on the sides are broken in functionality before the first show and are not functional for what they are supposed to do so the audience will easily be able to see people waiting off stage during the performance this Friday/Saturday. Like I said: Cheap goods, cheap workmanship. To be fair I got to imagine you were searching for even the smallest flaw to add to your list of things you feel are wrong with MVHS. here's what you get for 200 mill. btw.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_North_High_SchoolWhat you get steckdad is a bill of $100k per seat. To me that is on par with trading one HS seat (WVGC $16.7k) for another HS seat (MVHS $50k) that costs 3x as much and isn't even needed (oh, we'll toss in the astro turf!) . Neither one makes much sense to me. If you need the math behind that let me know (I can work in the time value of money and construction costs if you like). |
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Post by brant on Mar 9, 2010 8:33:38 GMT -6
I have to admit that every time I see a post by steckdad with his avatar of Winston Churchill I am reminded that this picture looks like an aged Mark Metzger. Am I the only one that sees the resemblance between MM and Winston Churchill in this picture? Recognize I am NOT comparing MM to Winston Churchill other than physical appearance . I think MM looks more like Ralph Kramden without the raccoon hat. MM would look good driving a bus too! |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 9, 2010 8:36:51 GMT -6
I have to admit that every time I see a post by steckdad with his avatar of Winston Churchill I am reminded that this picture looks like an aged Mark Metzger. Am I the only one that sees the resemblance between MM and Winston Churchill in this picture? Recognize I am NOT comparing MM to Winston Churchill other than physical appearance . I think MM looks more like Ralph Kramden without the raccoon hat. MM would look good driving a bus too!  |
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Post by Arch on Mar 9, 2010 9:10:46 GMT -6
I think MM looks more like Ralph Kramden without the raccoon hat. MM would look good driving a bus too!  Wow... Someone should submit for the Naperville Sun's Celebrity Look Alike contest... Hands down the closest out of any they have had on their site so far. |
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Post by casey on Mar 9, 2010 9:27:05 GMT -6
LMAO . |
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I want you to have your opinion, but I went to the open house and a basketball game there and I think you are way off base imo. I haven't been in the auditorium yet so I can't comment.
