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Post by steckdad on Mar 9, 2010 21:53:15 GMT -6
because I have lived in the area for 18 years I can make that opinion arch. Not a travesty. Not having access to a quality education is a travesty. Having to make an uncomfortable drive to get to HS is far from one. It is funny to me how your area of expertise has changed from pipelines to commercial construction  I want you to have your opinion, but I went to the open house and a basketball game there and I think you are way off base imo. I haven't been in the auditorium yet so I can't comment. So steckdad, in your 18 years here you must have gotten a chance to vote on the 2005 and 2006 referendums. Why don't you share with us how you voted? Is that too much to ask? I lived in the east aurora school district until 3 years ago. I voted yes so they could build a new field house. I voted yes so the kids could have bus service...THAT WAS VOTED DOWN...three times. we take a lot for granted here in 204.... The School Board elections were the virst 204 elections that I voted in. You would be suprised who I voted for I think.... |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 9, 2010 21:54:45 GMT -6
to all posters...my original post in this thread said if someone owed you 7 million dollars you would try and get the word out. I stand by that statement. It doesn't matter how much you want to villify(sp) 204, you would do what you could to get the $$. To say anything else would be a lie. That's the way I feel about that $17 million funding gap for MVHS. And that's no lie. Sloppy laws that allow people who are supposed to be representing you misrepresent the facts and use the money anyway, inflating the final cost for MVHS by 15% without so much as a referendum. Funny thing is, even members of the School Board couldn't figure out what I was talking about. I'll bet MM understood it. sloppy law? the key word being LAW |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 9, 2010 21:56:12 GMT -6
you do a great job getting that info out there Mac...you got all your ducks in a row....I think you would have been a fine addition to the SB. I am not sure how you only managed a few more votes than a guy who could barely speak english. (not a slam on the guy because I know he is very intelligent) IMO you think you have a smoking gun and I think you do not. this is where we differ. You never did respond steckdad. What is the "smoking gun" you think I have but really don't? Do you think I am into conspiracies or something? Maybe you can direct me to a post where I allude to the "smoking gun"  You completed your 100+ FOIA's for fun? You were looking for something and found nothing illegal...what to do now? |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 9, 2010 21:58:26 GMT -6
What you get steckdad is a bill of $100k per seat. To me that is on par with trading one HS seat (WVGC $16.7k) for another HS seat (MVHS $50k) that costs 3x as much and isn't even needed (oh, we'll toss in the astro turf!) . Neither one makes much sense to me. If you need the math behind that let me know (I can work in the time value of money and construction costs if you like). I know that you know what inflation means...don't play stupid about the costs of the other two high schools |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 22:29:30 GMT -6
You never did respond steckdad. What is the "smoking gun" you think I have but really don't? Do you think I am into conspiracies or something? Maybe you can direct me to a post where I allude to the "smoking gun" You completed your 100+ FOIA's for fun? You were looking for something and found nothing illegal...what to do now? I have to say I am pretty disappointed steckdad. After everything I have written on this Board; after speaking to the School Board on at least 4 separate occassions, after speaking at two SB election forums, and a taped interview with NCTV. All that posting and video out there where I make a single point. Well maybe two points. Maybe you should go back and review all of the material and see if there is a common thread steckdad. Lol, it sure the hell isn't about finding something illegal, I can tell you that. Maybe you should remove the bias and look at the facts. That is all I have been doing. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 9, 2010 22:46:17 GMT -6
You completed your 100+ FOIA's for fun? You were looking for something and found nothing illegal...what to do now? I have to say I am pretty disappointed steckdad. After everything I have written on this Board; after speaking to the School Board on at least 4 separate occassions, after speaking at two SB election forums, and a taped interview with NCTV. All that posting and video out there where I make a single point. Well maybe two points. Maybe you should go back and review all of the material and see if there is a common thread steckdad. Lol, it sure the hell isn't about finding something illegal, I can tell you that. Maybe you should remove the bias and look at the facts. That is all I have been doing. well first of all the other day you posted that if you did find something illegal you would have done something about it... second...to me unaffected means unbiased and I am pretty sure you are neither... so don't be disappointed and don't flatter yourself with your resume. |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 22:53:28 GMT -6
What you get steckdad is a bill of $100k per seat. To me that is on par with trading one HS seat (WVGC $16.7k) for another HS seat (MVHS $50k) that costs 3x as much and isn't even needed (oh, we'll toss in the astro turf!) . Neither one makes much sense to me. If you need the math behind that let me know (I can work in the time value of money and construction costs if you like). I know that you know what inflation means...don't play stupid about the costs of the other two high schools Yes, I do understand inflation steckdad. The fact that the schools were built at different times is irrelevant to the analysis. I don't expect you to understand it unless you do this for a living. The District had a choice. It could leave WVHG as part of the HS configuration or not. When it choose to take it offline as part of the HS configuration (and use it as a MS), it also chose to create more new costs than were required. That is where the comparison between the WVGC and MVHS becomes relevant and valid. It also makes discussion of inflation or anything else concerning the two structures irrelevant. My conclusion? We spend approximately $60 million more than we needed to, to satisfy our capacity needs. In addition, we are spending approximate $35 million in interest over the life of the loan that we would not otherwise have to (we also ended up with a whole lot of space we will not need). Imo, I am being generous at coming up with that figure. When I practiced as a CPA I analyzed a number of construction projects for real estate syndicators. I have been down this road many times. I would be glad to walk you through the entire process steckdad. Call me.  |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 22:57:34 GMT -6
I have to say I am pretty disappointed steckdad. After everything I have written on this Board; after speaking to the School Board on at least 4 separate occassions, after speaking at two SB election forums, and a taped interview with NCTV. All that posting and video out there where I make a single point. Well maybe two points. Maybe you should go back and review all of the material and see if there is a common thread steckdad. Lol, it sure the hell isn't about finding something illegal, I can tell you that. Maybe you should remove the bias and look at the facts. That is all I have been doing. well first of all the other day you posted that if you did find something illegal you would have done something about it... second...to me unaffected means unbiased and I am pretty sure you are neither... so don't be disappointed and don't flatter yourself with your resume. that was simply in response to what you said steckdad, I was speaking in context. |
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Post by macrockett on Mar 9, 2010 22:58:36 GMT -6
I have to say I am pretty disappointed steckdad. After everything I have written on this Board; after speaking to the School Board on at least 4 separate occassions, after speaking at two SB election forums, and a taped interview with NCTV. All that posting and video out there where I make a single point. Well maybe two points. Maybe you should go back and review all of the material and see if there is a common thread steckdad. Lol, it sure the hell isn't about finding something illegal, I can tell you that. Maybe you should remove the bias and look at the facts. That is all I have been doing. well first of all the other day you posted that if you did find something illegal you would have done something about it... second...to me unaffected means unbiased and I am pretty sure you are neither... so don't be disappointed and don't flatter yourself with your resume. referencing the second comment, the facts I collected led to my conclusions steckdad, nothing else. If you disagree with any conclusion I have reached on this Board, state your case. referencing your last comment, just stating the facts steckdad, it isn't a resume. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 10, 2010 0:09:41 GMT -6
So steckdad, in your 18 years here you must have gotten a chance to vote on the 2005 and 2006 referendums. Why don't you share with us how you voted? Is that too much to ask? I lived in the east aurora school district until 3 years ago. I voted yes so they could build a new field house. I voted yes so the kids could have bus service...THAT WAS VOTED DOWN...three times. we take a lot for granted here in 204.... The School Board elections were the virst 204 elections that I voted in. You would be suprised who I voted for I think.... I've lived in crappy school districts in the past as well and 204 is not the worst but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its problems and that doesn't mean that stuff shouldn't be called out, corrected and fixed. To not do so would be akin to saying "Well, my kid smokes pot... but at least it's not Heroin, so everything's fine and dandy."  While the Republic form of government is what we are stuck with, it does not mean people should just ignore what is and has been going on and turn a blind eye to things and let problems continue on their course... Take a look around the country. How's that been working? |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 10, 2010 20:23:23 GMT -6
I know that you know what inflation means...don't play stupid about the costs of the other two high schools Yes, I do understand inflation steckdad. The fact that the schools were built at different times is irrelevant to the analysis. I don't expect you to understand it unless you do this for a living. The District had a choice. It could leave WVHG as part of the HS configuration or not. When it choose to take it offline as part of the HS configuration (and use it as a MS), it also chose to create more new costs than were required. That is where the comparison between the WVGC and MVHS becomes relevant and valid. It also makes discussion of inflation or anything else concerning the two structures irrelevant. My conclusion? We spend approximately $60 million more than we needed to, to satisfy our capacity needs. In addition, we are spending approximate $35 million in interest over the life of the loan that we would not otherwise have to (we also ended up with a whole lot of space we will not need). Imo, I am being generous at coming up with that figure. When I practiced as a CPA I analyzed a number of construction projects for real estate syndicators. I have been down this road many times. I would be glad to walk you through the entire process steckdad. Call me. when you post MVHS cost us 150 million and NVHS only cost 50million ..that is misleading. MVHS would cost 200 mill. plus if you built it today... |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 10, 2010 20:24:30 GMT -6
I lived in the east aurora school district until 3 years ago. I voted yes so they could build a new field house. I voted yes so the kids could have bus service...THAT WAS VOTED DOWN...three times. we take a lot for granted here in 204.... The School Board elections were the virst 204 elections that I voted in. You would be suprised who I voted for I think.... I've lived in crappy school districts in the past as well and 204 is not the worst but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its problems and that doesn't mean that stuff shouldn't be called out, corrected and fixed. To not do so would be akin to saying "Well, my kid smokes pot... but at least it's not Heroin, so everything's fine and dandy." While the Republic form of government is what we are stuck with, it does not mean people should just ignore what is and has been going on and turn a blind eye to things and let problems continue on their course... Take a look around the country. How's that been working? sorry...it would not be akin to illegal drug use. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 10, 2010 20:30:29 GMT -6
Yes, I do understand inflation steckdad. The fact that the schools were built at different times is irrelevant to the analysis. I don't expect you to understand it unless you do this for a living. The District had a choice. It could leave WVHG as part of the HS configuration or not. When it choose to take it offline as part of the HS configuration (and use it as a MS), it also chose to create more new costs than were required. That is where the comparison between the WVGC and MVHS becomes relevant and valid. It also makes discussion of inflation or anything else concerning the two structures irrelevant. My conclusion? We spend approximately $60 million more than we needed to, to satisfy our capacity needs. In addition, we are spending approximate $35 million in interest over the life of the loan that we would not otherwise have to (we also ended up with a whole lot of space we will not need). Imo, I am being generous at coming up with that figure. When I practiced as a CPA I analyzed a number of construction projects for real estate syndicators. I have been down this road many times. I would be glad to walk you through the entire process steckdad. Call me. when you post MVHS cost us 150 million and NVHS only cost 50million ..that is misleading. MVHS would cost 200 mill. plus if you built it today... so $80M has become $200M+ in 11 years. Please supply the math on that one. Let's see that's about a 12% per year inflation rate... did NIU do this estimate ? |
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Post by Arch on Mar 10, 2010 20:39:56 GMT -6
I've lived in crappy school districts in the past as well and 204 is not the worst but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its problems and that doesn't mean that stuff shouldn't be called out, corrected and fixed. To not do so would be akin to saying "Well, my kid smokes pot... but at least it's not Heroin, so everything's fine and dandy." While the Republic form of government is what we are stuck with, it does not mean people should just ignore what is and has been going on and turn a blind eye to things and let problems continue on their course... Take a look around the country. How's that been working? sorry...it would not be akin to illegal drug use. Fine... let's assume they are 21 and they drink 18hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year but their buddies drink 24x7x365... So everything's fine and dandy. |
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Post by asmodeus on Mar 10, 2010 20:40:02 GMT -6
Not true.
I take that back...with this admin and contractor, it just may have.
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I want you to have your opinion, but I went to the open house and a basketball game there and I think you are way off base imo. I haven't been in the auditorium yet so I can't comment.
