The Real Attendance- 6 days in

[gekfromthefarnorth]

Sept 21, 2010 4:02:46 GMT -6 macrockett said:

There's so much in this paragraph, it's hard to pass up:

"You can take this to the bank, each of you has only ONE vote on future issues and if you think that you have an enormous amount of influence in the general population you have shown yourself to be disgruntled individuals with self interest in mind. Continued harping only drives this point home. You need only look at the last SB election to see how your influence was received."

So Gek, what's your plan? Lay it out for us. What do you see in store for D204 in the next year? Two years? Five years? I know what I think. But you clearly think I am a fool, a dishonest fool at that.

In addition, please comment on everything I have written on this blog. Please start with the $17 million. Especially that Ehlers correspondence: winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/Board_MemotoDaveHolmAugust32007_EHLERS.pdf

Please comment on what I have written in the long and winding road. Rip it apart. Please point out what in there is incorrect. Please point out my dishonesty. There has to be some.

What about those financial projections that I brought to light in Feb 2009 during the Board elections. You remember, the projections that laid out the coming deficits. How did I know to look for that without talking to a single person on the Board or in Admin. Lucky guess I suppose.

Back in October of 2009, about six months before the State said it wouldn't follow through with funding commitments to the School Districts what did I write? ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bidc&action=display&thread=2835

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? What do you have to offer to the people of this District? Follow the School Board? Sorry I can't do that. Some of them don't even understand the $17 million. Some of them don't even understand to ask the question. Still others on the Board, unfortunately, understand all too well and imo knew we couldn't build MVHS for $124 million long before it was started.

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? I know what I think is going to happen.

My my take a breath. Gees your going to have a heart attack.

My point is to the irony of your acceptance of $55k per seat if you propose the solution and your indignation of $50k per seat if the SD/SB implements the solution. (This point has nothing to do with whether we need the extra sets.)

I am going to put out as a mater of fact that your estimate is low balled. You have quoted some friend that shared his special price to stir the pot. I deal with estimates all the time and when the registered bid comes in the price has gone UP. Of course you know the cost better than the construction company that has to stay in business with a real bid.

Be aware that an addition to NV would have put yet another school on a tract to stairways to nowhere and all the difficulties that are entailed with an additions with their special heating and cooling limitations.

[Arch]

Sept 21, 2010 14:02:20 GMT -6 gekfromthefarnorth said:

Sept 21, 2010 4:02:46 GMT -6 macrockett said:

There's so much in this paragraph, it's hard to pass up:

"You can take this to the bank, each of you has only ONE vote on future issues and if you think that you have an enormous amount of influence in the general population you have shown yourself to be disgruntled individuals with self interest in mind. Continued harping only drives this point home. You need only look at the last SB election to see how your influence was received."

So Gek, what's your plan? Lay it out for us. What do you see in store for D204 in the next year? Two years? Five years? I know what I think. But you clearly think I am a fool, a dishonest fool at that.

In addition, please comment on everything I have written on this blog. Please start with the $17 million. Especially that Ehlers correspondence: winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/Board_MemotoDaveHolmAugust32007_EHLERS.pdf

Please comment on what I have written in the long and winding road. Rip it apart. Please point out what in there is incorrect. Please point out my dishonesty. There has to be some.

What about those financial projections that I brought to light in Feb 2009 during the Board elections. You remember, the projections that laid out the coming deficits. How did I know to look for that without talking to a single person on the Board or in Admin. Lucky guess I suppose.

Back in October of 2009, about six months before the State said it wouldn't follow through with funding commitments to the School Districts what did I write? ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bidc&action=display&thread=2835

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? What do you have to offer to the people of this District? Follow the School Board? Sorry I can't do that. Some of them don't even understand the $17 million. Some of them don't even understand to ask the question. Still others on the Board, unfortunately, understand all too well and imo knew we couldn't build MVHS for $124 million long before it was started.

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? I know what I think is going to happen.

My my take a breath. Gees your going to have a heart attack.

My point is to the irony of your acceptance of $55k per seat if you propose the solution and your indignation of $50k per seat if the SD/SB implements the solution. (This point has nothing to do with whether we need the extra sets.)

I am going to put out as a mater of fact that your estimate is low balled. You have quoted some friend that shared his special price to stir the pot. I deal with estimates all the time and when the registered bid comes in the price has gone UP. Of course you know the cost better than the construction company that has to stay in business with a real bid.

Be aware that an addition to NV would have put yet another school on a tract to stairways to nowhere and all the difficulties that are entailed with an additions with their special heating and cooling limitations.

You saw the plans to make this claim?

[doctorwho]

Sept 21, 2010 14:02:20 GMT -6 gekfromthefarnorth said:

Sept 21, 2010 4:02:46 GMT -6 macrockett said:

There's so much in this paragraph, it's hard to pass up:

"You can take this to the bank, each of you has only ONE vote on future issues and if you think that you have an enormous amount of influence in the general population you have shown yourself to be disgruntled individuals with self interest in mind. Continued harping only drives this point home. You need only look at the last SB election to see how your influence was received."

So Gek, what's your plan? Lay it out for us. What do you see in store for D204 in the next year? Two years? Five years? I know what I think. But you clearly think I am a fool, a dishonest fool at that.

In addition, please comment on everything I have written on this blog. Please start with the $17 million. Especially that Ehlers correspondence: winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/Board_MemotoDaveHolmAugust32007_EHLERS.pdf

Please comment on what I have written in the long and winding road. Rip it apart. Please point out what in there is incorrect. Please point out my dishonesty. There has to be some.

What about those financial projections that I brought to light in Feb 2009 during the Board elections. You remember, the projections that laid out the coming deficits. How did I know to look for that without talking to a single person on the Board or in Admin. Lucky guess I suppose.

Back in October of 2009, about six months before the State said it wouldn't follow through with funding commitments to the School Districts what did I write? ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bidc&action=display&thread=2835

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? What do you have to offer to the people of this District? Follow the School Board? Sorry I can't do that. Some of them don't even understand the $17 million. Some of them don't even understand to ask the question. Still others on the Board, unfortunately, understand all too well and imo knew we couldn't build MVHS for $124 million long before it was started.

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? I know what I think is going to happen.

My my take a breath. Gees your going to have a heart attack.

My point is to the irony of your acceptance of $55k per seat if you propose the solution and your indignation of $50k per seat if the SD/SB implements the solution. (This point has nothing to do with whether we need the extra sets.)

I am going to put out as a mater of fact that your estimate is low balled. You have quoted some friend that shared his special price to stir the pot. I deal with estimates all the time and when the registered bid comes in the price has gone UP. Of course you know the cost better than the construction company that has to stay in business with a real bid.

Be aware that an addition to NV would have put yet another school on a tract to stairways to nowhere and all the difficulties that are entailed with an additions with their special heating and cooling limitations.

We have the signed formal quote for $12M to Howie Crouse and IPSD 204-- what do you have to support the cost ? Mac allowed $40M - even if the $12M bid was 50% under it would have been $18M.

somone shared a 'special price' - really, that's your take ? Give us a little more credit than that.


and you still seem to think spending $50K /seat for 3000 is better than for 600 - even though the NV would have been nowhere near that amount. - that's really confusing ?

I'' pick out a few SB members and you ask them to explain the $17M spent on bond issues..see what answers you get- or blank stares. That $17M likely would have covered the NV addition..

and you're worried about A/C unit when we build a school over 3 gas feeder mains.. priorities. If you're worried about it being uncomfotable, you may want to compare those 2 situations. And the bid for the school addition was actually in writing - unlike the land value appraisals on anything we have purchased.

[Arch]

It's not like a certain brand new school hasn't had 'issues' with the climate control either.

[macrockett]

Sept 21, 2010 14:02:20 GMT -6 gekfromthefarnorth said:

Sept 21, 2010 4:02:46 GMT -6 macrockett said:

There's so much in this paragraph, it's hard to pass up:

"You can take this to the bank, each of you has only ONE vote on future issues and if you think that you have an enormous amount of influence in the general population you have shown yourself to be disgruntled individuals with self interest in mind. Continued harping only drives this point home. You need only look at the last SB election to see how your influence was received."

So Gek, what's your plan? Lay it out for us. What do you see in store for D204 in the next year? Two years? Five years? I know what I think. But you clearly think I am a fool, a dishonest fool at that.

In addition, please comment on everything I have written on this blog. Please start with the $17 million. Especially that Ehlers correspondence: winsome.cnchost.com/MAC/Board_MemotoDaveHolmAugust32007_EHLERS.pdf

Please comment on what I have written in the long and winding road. Rip it apart. Please point out what in there is incorrect. Please point out my dishonesty. There has to be some.

What about those financial projections that I brought to light in Feb 2009 during the Board elections. You remember, the projections that laid out the coming deficits. How did I know to look for that without talking to a single person on the Board or in Admin. Lucky guess I suppose.

Back in October of 2009, about six months before the State said it wouldn't follow through with funding commitments to the School Districts what did I write? ipsd204.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bidc&action=display&thread=2835

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? What do you have to offer to the people of this District? Follow the School Board? Sorry I can't do that. Some of them don't even understand the $17 million. Some of them don't even understand to ask the question. Still others on the Board, unfortunately, understand all too well and imo knew we couldn't build MVHS for $124 million long before it was started.

So tell me Gek, what is your plan? I know what I think is going to happen.

My my take a breath. Gees your going to have a heart attack.

My point is to the irony of your acceptance of $55k per seat if you propose the solution and your indignation of $50k per seat if the SD/SB implements the solution. (This point has nothing to do with whether we need the extra sets.)

I am going to put out as a mater of fact that your estimate is low balled. You have quoted some friend that shared his special price to stir the pot. I deal with estimates all the time and when the registered bid comes in the price has gone UP. Of course you know the cost better than the construction company that has to stay in business with a real bid.

Be aware that an addition to NV would have put yet another school on a tract to stairways to nowhere and all the difficulties that are entailed with an additions with their special heating and cooling limitations.

Go ahead Gek, rather than speculate, prove your point. I can't wait to see your work.

As for your use of $55k per seat for my padded estimate for NV addition v 50k cost of MVHS, I have one question. What is the final cost of my estimate v the cost of MVHS? Which costs more? $55k x 725 or $50k x 3000 (seats that we never needed, will never use and were a waste of money)?

We now have 3000 + 3000 + 3000 + 1200 for 10,200, not including Frontier. Peak enrollment will be about 9200 seats. So we built 1000 seats at 50k per (or $50 million) that we never needed. We also converted 1200 seats in our inventory to MS space when we had already peaked at the MS level.

Don't forget either, the cost of administration and maintenance of a full blown HS facility, that would never have been needed with an addition, at the cost of $3-4 million per year, not a dime of which goes to educating our kids. In just 10 years that amounts to $30-40 million of additional unnecessary costs.

I won't go into the math for you but we traded 1200 seats at WV Gold at the cost of $16.6k per seat for 1200 at MVHS at $50k per seat.

Back to comparing costs, compare what I propose to do, with the project at Naperville Central. Here is the pdf :

www.naperville203.org/assets/NCHSConstSeqPhasingPlan10-3-08.pdf

www.naperville203.org/assets/PrelimConstructionPhasingSeqNCHS021108.pdf

The budgeted cost of that addition $87.7 million: The $43 million referendum is part of a $114.9 million plan to address the District's most pressing facilities needs, most notably a major $87.7 million renovation to Naperville Central High School; a new $11 million Early Childhood Center; an addition and renovation to Mill Street Elementary at a total of $7.3 million; $5.2 million spent addressing outside traffic safety and the Naperville North pool inadequacies; and $.7 million for safety modifications at Prairie and Ranch View elementary schools, as well as at Washington Junior High.
www.naperville203.org/departments/buildings/BuildingtheFuture.asp

The $87.7 million addition and renovation project at Naperville Central High School is the largest and most challenging of the projects. The work includes approximately 170,000 square feet of new construction and 370,000 square feet of renovation.

The completed facilities will include:

* New global communication and research learning environments
* New athletics and wellness spaces
* Conversion of existing science lab spaces into a Fine Arts & Music wing
* Conversion of existing cafeteria space into a new Library & Media Center
* Enclosure of an existing exterior courtyard, involving the construction of a three-story wing, to form a new student cafeteria and commons space
* Extensive site work to adjust parking and circulation, as well as a new athletic field and running track and synthetic turf in the stadium
* Extensive upgrade of the mechanical, electrical, plumbing and technology infrastructure.

www.naperville203.org/departments/buildings/BuildingNCHS.asp

All that and they even had issues with heating, venting and a/c...
www.triblocal.com/Naperville/detail/222065.html

Now that was a major project.

So show me Gek that an addition to NVHS to accommodate 725 seats, hallways between the wings on the south side and additional cafeteria space materially exceeds $40 million.

We already have a bid from 2004 for 600 seats (which of course would have to be changed to reflect 2009 costs and additional space). Had we done this work in 2006-07 at then current prices we could have also saved a great deal of money. If we use the space at Frontier we would need even less, but lets forget about those considerations.

I allocate $80 million for that and a MS (that we didn't need as we had reached peak at FY 2009).