District won't postpone Metea for IEPA/SUN 3/30

[concerned2]

My question is to the nay Sayers, why would you want the SB to buy land before we know that it is clear??? If you were buying property I am sure you would not consider it if there was any doubt.

This is a school site, these conversations just blow my mind. We have been living with a crowded Scullen for several years now. It really hasn't been the end of the world. The kids are doing fine. One more year still won't make much of difference. I kept hearing over and over again that kids are resilient and split schools are ok. If these kids are soooo resilient then one more year of crowding won't be the end all.

Again, why would anyone buy land for a school before it is all clear. The AME land is near the MWGEN site. How do we know it is all safe??? This school will be with us for years. Making a big mistake now would be costly for the long run. This is soooo stupid that truly it blows my mind

[rj]

I believe it was 50-60 on 17 Dr.Who?

The IEPA states 6- 24 months because 6 would be a minor clean up and 24 would be a bad clean up. Now of course since all the Jr. 204 environmental testers have deemed this land a super fund site, it may take up to 10 years.

[doctorwho]

rj said:

I believe it was 50-60 on 17 Dr.Who?

The IEPA states 6- 24 months because 6 would be a minor clean up and 24 would be a bad clean up. Now of course since all the Jr. 204 environmental testers have deemed this land a super fund site, it may take up to 10 years.

and on the flip side all the Pollyana's equate it to cleaning up after a bear in the woods. Somewhere in between when you start digging is more likely. I do expect our SD experts to be up for a Nobel next year for their ability to predict these outcomes - they have to be using some new methodology.

Already using the Ready , shoot ,aim methodology of land purchasing.

[Avenging Eagle]

doctorwho said:

and on the flip side all the Pollyana's equate it to cleaning up after a bear in the woods. Somewhere in between when you start digging is more likely. I do expect our SD experts to be up for a Nobel next year for their ability to predict these outcomes - they have to be using some new methodology.

Already using the Ready , shoot ,aim methodology of land purchasing.

Even if it was only one bear's mess, our kids shouldn't be around when that bear comes back to do his business next time. It will get ugly.

[Arch]

magneto said:

Let me get this straight. The part of the land where they want to build the HS is the AME part, which like BB was farmland. Neither of which would have required IEPA involvement. Is that part not safe?
If I recall, the only part of the MWGEN parcel that needs remediation is the Peaker area, the front part, closer to Eola was an access road. So have MWGen partition off the peaker part (under 17 acres) until it meets IEPA approval. Put the Tennis courts somewhere else.

It's like BB with 6 pipelines, each of which can level the school on their own and cook the occupants.

[magneto]

archwinsome said:

magneto said:

Let me get this straight. The part of the land where they want to build the HS is the AME part, which like BB was farmland. Neither of which would have required IEPA involvement. Is that part not safe?
If I recall, the only part of the MWGEN parcel that needs remediation is the Peaker area, the front part, closer to Eola was an access road. So have MWGen partition off the peaker part (under 17 acres) until it meets IEPA approval. Put the Tennis courts somewhere else.

BB with 6 pipelines, each of which can level the school on their own and cook the occupants.

Which has the same odds of ocurring as a meteor falling on the site, heck anywhere within the District, or even neighboring ones.

[sushi]

rj said:

I know most with agendas will find this hard to believe, but it is possible that the AME property is clear and the testing results show that a minimal cleanup is all that is needed on the MWGEN portion. If that were the case, then the SD would go ahead and start the school, leaving the rest to be re mediated, which in minimal cases only takes a short time. With the 50 some reported test holes around the site drilled by the testing Co, there won't be any surprises.

BINGO!! I think we have a winner!!

[rj]

Wow Dr Who, try a photo editing program next time. would you please?

The SD has seen the phase II report and know what is in it and is acting accordingly.

I wish I had a $ for every citizens group/ NIMBY group over the years that have claimed death, destruction, disease, lower property values, and all the other tricks in the NIMBY handbook, when a project they don't want was built and none of the fear mongering comes to fruition. Oh well, there is always a first, and I will admit I was wrong if the time comes,.................will you?

[Arch]

magneto said:

archwinsome said:

BB with 6 pipelines, each of which can level the school on their own and cook the occupants.

Which has the same odds of ocurring as a meteor falling on the site, heck anywhere within the District, or even neighboring ones.

Post your data to support this claim given the age of each pipeline, its current and rated operating pressure and last noted state of corrosion both internally and externally.

[doctorwho]

rj said:

Wow Dr Who, try a photo editing program next time. would you please?

The SD has seen the phase II report and know what is in it and is acting accordingly.

I wish I had a $ for every citizens group/ NIMBY group over the years that have claimed death, destruction, disease, lower property values, and all the other tricks in the NIMBY handbook, when a project they don't want was built and none of the fear mongering comes to fruition. Oh well, there is always a first, and I will admit I was wrong if the time comes,.................will you?

I hope you never have to..... that's the point....admitting you were wrong won't mean much

[rj]

Also, please post how the pipelines have computerized valves that sense rapid pressure drop, shutting the pipeline down so when that pesky kid with the 6 foot drill bit sabotages one of the pipes it doesn't burn uncontrollably for weeks on end.

[rj]

doctorwho said:

I hope you never have to..... that's the point....admitting you were wrong won't mean much

I hope you do have to, admitting you were wrong would be a good thing.

[magneto]

archwinsome said:

magneto said:

Which has the same odds of ocurring as a meteor falling on the site, heck anywhere within the District, or even neighboring ones.

Post your data to support this claim given the age of each pipeline, its current and rated operating pressure and last noted state of corrosion both internally and externally.

What? You don't have that data already?
I am going off what the pipeline people said at the last SB Mtg.
That the pipes are intact and in good shape, and that they have auto shutoff valves, and the other safety measures in place.

[concerned2]

Still no answers as to why we should start building and purchase land without the blessing of the IEPA? This is not a good investment and really could come back to bite us. Do we really want to gamble with kids health???

[magneto]

doctorwho said:

rj said:

I apologize AE, I shouldn't have drug the kids into it, they can't help how their parents act. I edited my post to read;

.............it would be wise to re negotiate with BB and pursue that site, but leave the NSFOC parents kids at WV, because we all know it isn't about the boundaries, it is about safety. ;D

so should we leave 80% of Brookdale's kids without a 3rd high school since they ddidn't think they needed it ? It was all about something other than boundaries too right ?

the constant bashing of one or 2 areas over stuff is really getting old. Yet I realize the constant flow of emails - including the 'petition' making it's way thru a certain area near AME right now are finding ways to continue to demonize areas.
My scenario isn't right either, but just goes to show how easy it is to do --

I have seen this "petition". No areas were mentioned in it, or do you have a different one?