District won't postpone Metea for IEPA/SUN 3/30

[magneto]

concerned2 said:

Still no answers as to why we should start building and purchase land without the blessing of the IEPA? This is not a good investment and really could come back to bite us. Do we really want to gamble with kids health???

Because, where the building is going, along with 90+% of the campus is on farmland, just like BB.

[concerned2]

So why buy the MGEN site? Also why should we purchase land before we know what BB will take from us. This makes no sense. I understand the north's desire for a new HS, but really why the rush???

Scullen has been operating this way for awhile and the kids are fine. I don't know about HS yet. Not there.

BB won the condemnation suit and I feel that the judge granted BB the time to get their ducks in a row. I believe they have a case. We tied up their land for 2 yrs, the property has decreased in value, and as I have researched government entities usually don't walk away from condemnations suits.

People really need to look past their own agendas, if they truly care about this district. I believe most only care about themselves. I find this to be very true for the WHOLE district. Unvelievable that the north feels the south should not stick up for itself. The more the name calling goes on the more it angers many and I know will sign up for the lawsuit.

[Arch]

magneto said:

archwinsome said:

Post your data to support this claim given the age of each pipeline, its current and rated operating pressure and last noted state of corrosion both internally and externally.

What? You don't have that data already?
I am going off what the pipeline people said at the last SB Mtg.
That the pipes are intact and in good shape, and that they have auto shutoff valves, and the other safety measures in place.

How much volume, under pressure, exists in the lines between the shut-off valves. Where specifically are they located? I can calculate it from there as well as the available BTUs.

Do less then half the work and I'll do the other half.

[fence]

Wow, I'm trying to be reasonable. Thanks for proposing something that in your mind would be specifically done to screw my child over for actions of people I don't even know. That's awesome.

If this keeps up, I am actually a little concerned about our TG and WE kids when they go to WV. Heaven knows that these vendetta-driven parents are going to make sure that they don't keep their feelings to themselves.

Be careful about mobilizing this kind of toxic message - it will manifest in ways you'll likely regret.

rj said:

avengingeagle said:

How do you plan to put the kids of NSFOC members at WV when they come from all parts of the district. You are starting to sound like JC with her Pick 6 option to blend and frappe the students to all corners of the district.

Ok, you got me, I was trying to be polite, but obviously with you I can't.


.............it would be wise to re negotiate with BB and pursue that site, but leave the TG/WE parents kids at WV, because we all know it isn't about the boundaries, it is about safety. ;D

[fence]

Show the district those results. And then show them the IEPA results that were promised. And if they doesn't exist, explain why. And then explain what we are going to see, and when, and when the IEPA will be involved, if ever. And what our recourse will be if that land doesn't get cleared. Financial recourse, and recourse of having an incomplete school.

At the very minimum, I don't feel its too much to ask to know how the tens of thousands of dollars I pay every year are being invested. If I didn't want to know, or I didn't care, I would be a big huge moron. No?

sushi said:

rj said:

I know most with agendas will find this hard to believe, but it is possible that the AME property is clear and the testing results show that a minimal cleanup is all that is needed on the MWGEN portion. If that were the case, then the SD would go ahead and start the school, leaving the rest to be re mediated, which in minimal cases only takes a short time. With the 50 some reported test holes around the site drilled by the testing Co, there won't be any surprises.

BINGO!! I think we have a winner!!

[steckmom]

fence said:

Wow, I'm trying to be reasonable. Thanks for proposing something that in your mind would be specifically done to screw my child over for actions of people I don't even know. That's awesome.

If this keeps up, I am actually a little concerned about our TG and WE kids when they go to WV. Heaven knows that these vendetta-driven parents are going to make sure that they don't keep their feelings to themselves.

Be careful about mobilizing this kind of toxic message - it will manifest in ways you'll likely regret.

rj said:

Ok, you got me, I was trying to be polite, but obviously with you I can't.


.............it would be wise to re negotiate with BB and pursue that site, but leave the TG/WE parents kids at WV, because we all know it isn't about the boundaries, it is about safety. ;D

I think the WE/TG kids will be fine at WV. I don't think the parents this is coming from are from areas that will be attending WV with TG and WE when the third school opens.

[doctorwho]

steckmom said:

fence said:

Wow, I'm trying to be reasonable. Thanks for proposing something that in your mind would be specifically done to screw my child over for actions of people I don't even know. That's awesome.

If this keeps up, I am actually a little concerned about our TG and WE kids when they go to WV. Heaven knows that these vendetta-driven parents are going to make sure that they don't keep their feelings to themselves.

Be careful about mobilizing this kind of toxic message - it will manifest in ways you'll likely regret.

I think the WE/TG kids will be fine at WV. I don't think the parents this is coming from are from areas that will be attending WV with TG and WE when the third school opens.

I agree - the majority of that nonsense is not coming from those you'll be going to school with.

[concerned2]

Sometimes you read things that make you go WOW! This is MM from the site meeting on 1/22/08.



Mark Metzger:
2:16:00
“With regard to the Phase 2 environmental: I don’t anticipate it, but that could certainly turn into a deal-breaker for us. I mean, it’s entirely possible that some irretrievable problem is detected. But that’s why we’re doing that. That’s why we’re checking it... And we have engaged, er, requested assistance from the Illinois EPA to help us look through that and make certain that it is as clean as it can possibly be. And determine whether it does, once and for all, represents any kind of a health hazard or problem.

Given the timing that Todd shared with us, I take a certain amount of comfort in still proceeding tonight knowing that we have multiple opportunities to stop this transaction if we need to based on the Phase 2."

It now seems that they have no intent of stopping for anything.

[Avenging Eagle]

concerned2 said:

Sometimes you read things that make you go WOW! This is MM from the site meeting on 1/22/08.



Mark Metzger:
2:16:00
“With regard to the Phase 2 environmental: I don’t anticipate it, but that could certainly turn into a deal-breaker for us. I mean, it’s entirely possible that some irretrievable problem is detected. But that’s why we’re doing that. That’s why we’re checking it... and we have engaged, er, requested assistance from the Illinois EPA to help us look through that and make certain that it is as clean as it can possibly be. And determine whether it does, once and for all, represents any kind of a health hazard or problem.

Given the timing that Todd shared with us, I take a certain amount of comfort in still proceeding tonight knowing that we have multiple opportunities to stop this transaction if we need to based on the Phase 2."

It now seems that they have no intent of stopping for anything.

Did they send the request to the IEPA via Pony Express? The IEPA hasn't heard from them yet.

[Arch]

Did the pipeline company say how often they have to 'pack the pipes' to sustain the pressure drop/product draw from the Reliant peaker to the north? Packing the pipe is an industry term of boosting the pressure in the line so that other customers do not feel a gas pressure drop when a high-volume customer takes a large sudden draw of product at high pressure. This is a standard practice used by the gas companies for the pipes where peakers pull from.

I'd like to know what's the max pressure they ever boosted the lines to and how often, when and for how long they do it.

[sushi]

FROM THE OTHER BOARD:


Re: D204 won't postpone Metea for IEPA approval
« Reply #4 Yesterday at 3:26pm »

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So the issue is the concern over the DFO spills and the emissions. The BTEX testing would test for the 5 compounds most prevalent in the DFO. The indication of those 5 will indicate the presence of a release of a petroleum product and automatically require clean up. When they clean up for BTEX, they will clean up everything else that is a component which may include the trace amounts [ppm/ppb] of heavy metals that are found in DFO. Regarding the emissions, many of those compounds are volatile compounds that dissapate into the air. It is unlikely that they will be on the property. Also, prevailing winds blow toward the east off the properties.




Re: D204 won't postpone Metea for IEPA approval
« Reply #16 Today at 6:47am »

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Yes, he is an environmental professional with a B.S. in Chem and Masters in Environmental management.

I think the question you bring up about spills and emissions are separate. DFO Spills will be tested by the BTEX. Once they find out the deliniatioin of the spill they dig it up. They do testing along the way to make sure they are getting everything removed.

Regarding the emissions, most of these compounds are volatile. They burn up and are dispersed in the air. They do not emit as pure Pb or pure Hg, etc. So based on the list you provided previously, BTEX is part of that. Regarding the heavy metals, no one ever clarified if these are trace components of DFO. If talking emissions, then you assume that they are. Just like BTEX, they test for the most prevalant heavy metals. As an example, if Pb and Hg are the most prevalant in DFO, and if they are found to be present, then they come to the conclusion that the other metals are there and will clean that.

I am not dismissing your concerns at all. Please understand that. I am explaining the process of how things are done in the environmental industry. Again, since we havent seen the reports, we are speculating. We need wait and see what the independant environmental consultants present in regards to their testing/findings and their plan of remediation.

Feel free to pm me if you have questions on the process. He is not a message board blogger like many of us are , he does have a real job to tend to.

[Arch]

There is also the cleaning solvents used to clean the soot/residue of combustion off the turbines and all of the parts, the lubricants, etc. With the volume of fuel they put through there, the amount of cleanings would have to have been quite a lot over the years.

I hope they are testing for all of those too since there was a lot that went on during a period of time where most industry executives hadn't a care in the world about bad things and their impact on the environment.

[sushi]

Arch, I'm wondering if when they remove (guessing) 5 feet deep of soil around the affected area, aren't they taking whatever else is there with them, whether they tested for it or not?

[Arch]

sushi said:

Arch, I'm wondering if when they remove (guessing) 5 feet deep of soil around the affected area, aren't they taking whatever else is there with them, whether they tested for it or not?

Only if everything stops at 5 feet and only if everything is within that area and not elsewhere at any other depths.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

Did the pipeline company say how often they have to 'pack the pipes' to sustain the pressure drop/product draw from the Reliant peaker to the north? Packing the pipe is an industry term of boosting the pressure in the line so that other customers do not feel a gas pressure drop when a high-volume customer takes a large sudden draw of product at high pressure. This is a standard practice used by the gas companies for the pipes where peakers pull from.

I'd like to know what's the max pressure they ever boosted the lines to and how often, when and for how long they do it.

Seeing as these are transmission lines, not supply lines, that is irrelevant. These pipes do not supply the Reliant Peakers with a direct connection.
Nice try though.
Keep looking....maybe one of these times you might find something that directly relates to these types of pipes......