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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 0:31:15 GMT -6
I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline. The school isn't going to be built over the gas line.  The gas line runs along the RR and High tension line right of way behind the property so nothing is ever built on top of it. BTW, this is the same gas line that runs along the right of way near the tracks by Hamman and Macom, so I guess those two are out. If that is the case, then I completely agree with you. All 3 should be OUT. |
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Post by magneto on Jan 22, 2008 8:03:01 GMT -6
The school isn't going to be built over the gas line. The gas line runs along the RR and High tension line right of way behind the property so nothing is ever built on top of it. BTW, this is the same gas line that runs along the right of way near the tracks by Hamman and Macom, so I guess those two are out. If that is the case, then I completely agree with you. All 3 should be OUT. So what does that leave us with? |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 8:31:11 GMT -6
If that is the case, then I completely agree with you. All 3 should be OUT. So what does that leave us with? Find another way to afford a safer location. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 8:34:50 GMT -6
Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. |
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Post by lulubelle on Jan 22, 2008 13:07:05 GMT -6
I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline. The school isn't going to be built over the gas line. The gas line runs along the RR and High tension line right of way behind the property so nothing is ever built on top of it. BTW, this is the same gas line that runs along the right of way near the tracks by Hamman and Macom, so I guess those two are out. Not exactly true. I have the pipeline running through the lot behind me, and you can see it on the photograph of the school layout. From left to right, there's a line of houses, then a small road that dead ends, then a single house. Between that house and the ones next to it is the pipeline. On the sketch of the school, they run just east of the stadium. It's actually 3 separate pipelines, and they are monitored quite regularly. Every few months, helicopters fly low and track the whole of the pipeline. I have lived on the pipeline for 11 years, only .75 of a mile from the substation. My kids all have 10 toes each. :-) Seriously, this is not as big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be. |
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Post by lulubelle on Jan 22, 2008 13:08:57 GMT -6
Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. I wouldn't hold up California as a bastion of responsible regulations. They are widely regarded as nigh on insane for the level of hoops required for pesticides, environmental impact, etc. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 13:16:16 GMT -6
Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. I wouldn't hold up California as a bastion of responsible regulations. They are widely regarded as nigh on insane for the level of hoops required for pesticides, environmental impact, etc. Some people subscribe to the "Better safe than sorry" school of thought. Some believed the once published findings that smoking was actually good for you. Turns out many things once said to be benign are not. If CA is wrong, the harm is no harm. What a downside, eh? If we build there and it does turn out to be a problem what's the downside? You tell us. |
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Post by magneto on Jan 22, 2008 13:17:59 GMT -6
I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline. The school isn't going to be built over the gas line. The gas line runs along the RR and High tension line right of way behind the property so nothing is ever built on top of it. BTW, this is the same gas line that runs along the right of way near the tracks by Hamman and Macom, so I guess those two are out. Not exactly true. I have the pipeline running through the lot behind me, and you can see it on the photograph of the school layout. From left to right, there's a line of houses, then a small road that dead ends, then a single house. Between that house and the ones next to it is the pipeline. On the sketch of the school, they run just east of the stadium. It's actually 3 separate pipelines, and they are monitored quite regularly. Every few months, helicopters fly low and track the whole of the pipeline. I have lived on the pipeline for 11 years, only .75 of a mile from the substation. My kids all have 10 toes each. :-) Seriously, this is not as big of a deal as you guys are making it out to be. I used to live near the pipeline too, and the RR tracks, And ComEd lines - The east end of Pheasant Creek. I recall we used to get all kinds of literature from the pipeline company. I also remember seeing the plane with pipeline patrol in the wings. What was the name of that company? I thought it was Lakehead or something like that. |
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Post by gatordog on Jan 22, 2008 13:37:05 GMT -6
Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. Thanks, arch, for some useful info here. I wonder: how much of these Calif pipe line regulations is driven by earthquake safety? California has special requirements for many things I understand (ex building codes). Seismic loads are big deal on pipelines. I suspect the purpose of this regulation is part of their earthquake issues. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 13:39:39 GMT -6
Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. Thanks, arch, for some useful info here. I wonder: how much of these Calif pipe line regulations is driven by earthquake safety? California has special requirements for many things I understand (ex building codes). Seismic loads are big deal on pipelines. I suspect the purpose of this regulation is part of their earthquake issues. You are aware of IL's earthquake history? earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/index.php?regionID=13 |
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Post by gatordog on Jan 22, 2008 14:05:16 GMT -6
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Post by magneto on Jan 22, 2008 14:11:30 GMT -6
From what I know if we have an earthquake around here, it's going to be a biggie. It will not matter where anything is, it going to be bad.
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 14:13:43 GMT -6
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Post by magneto on Jan 22, 2008 14:15:22 GMT -6
I was around at that time. Don't remember much shaking/swaying happening around these parts.
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 14:25:49 GMT -6
I was around at that time. Don't remember much shaking/swaying happening around these parts. Your lack of recollection does not mean it did not happen. |
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