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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 14:34:26 GMT -6
Post by Arch on Jan 20, 2008 14:34:26 GMT -6
So why can't we understand that someone will always have the longest ride, but still have sympathy for the "poor subdivision" who has to take that ride? Because those doing all the complaining about commutes and moving schools NOW could've cared less about the poorer subdivision during the last go around. So that justifies not giving a rat's behind now? Gotcha. At least there is symmetry. To boot, the longest ride last time was also no change. This time, it is a change as well as longest ride.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 14:41:54 GMT -6
Post by steckmom on Jan 20, 2008 14:41:54 GMT -6
I have no sympathy for the bus ride argument - Every land scenario has some poor subdivision driving really far - So its okay as long as its not you! Lets face it - We are an enormous district - we dwarf all of the surrounding school districts even our neighbor 203. Somebody is going to be on a bus longer than we'd prefer. If you were looking for the small hometown environment - you moved to the wrong place. The only real solution for the bus and distance complaints - a 4th high school!!! So why can't we understand that someone will always have the longest ride, but still have sympathy for the "poor subdivision" who has to take that ride? The reason we should care about the long bus rides for any child is because it may have an effect on the school's overall performance. While I admit it is a stretch to say that long bus rides equal lower test scores, certainly it would have an effect. Not to mention the cost to the district for the longer bus rides, etc. There is so much looking out for 'me' going on right now. Not that I blame anyone, I feel the same way. But I'm trying to step back and really think about what this decision means to the district as a whole before I offer or deny support.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 14:42:39 GMT -6
Post by fence on Jan 20, 2008 14:42:39 GMT -6
So why can't we understand that someone will always have the longest ride, but still have sympathy for the "poor subdivision" who has to take that ride? Because those doing all the complaining about commutes and moving schools NOW could've cared less about the poorer subdivision during the last go around. Well I think the irony is that the people getting told to deal with it NOW were the people who were the MOST vocal in support and sympathy of the poorer subdivision (if you're talking about Brookdale) last time around. I guess I'm still a little surprised that we can't temper reality with a little empathy. It's a little unevolved.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 15:01:16 GMT -6
Post by rew on Jan 20, 2008 15:01:16 GMT -6
I took a ride down there and it is a huge piece of property. Does anyone know what 80 acres the SD is talkiing about?
The northern part is adjacent to Peterson ES and the 111th portion is adjacent to Crone MS.
Also does anyone recall where the HS was placed on the Macom site? IIRC, there was commercial land on 95th and the school site was south?
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 15:15:46 GMT -6
Post by WeBe204 on Jan 20, 2008 15:15:46 GMT -6
I am not a master of google maps but go here: maps.google.com/maps?q=S+Heggs+Rd+%26+W+Wolfs+Rd,+Plainfield,+IL+60585,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title The hammen property is bordered by Wolfs on top and heggs to the left. there is a cut out of a few arches at the heggs/wolfs intersection.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 15:43:39 GMT -6
Post by doctorwho on Jan 20, 2008 15:43:39 GMT -6
So why can't we understand that someone will always have the longest ride, but still have sympathy for the "poor subdivision" who has to take that ride? Because those doing all the complaining about commutes and moving schools NOW could've cared less about the poorer subdivision during the last go around. Shows how little you know -- I ( and others on this board from Watts ) worked on the referendum for 2+ years and worked closely with one of the SB members from your area and with many fine people from your area ( that I call friends) on various committees - there was always an effort to resolve your concerns - just because they failed doesn't mean peope were out to screw you. As bad as it may seem, ( and I believe you should not have been left alone from Hill) - you were left with what you had before - and never was it the furthest HS from your home, as well as a very long MS commute ( which you walk to) - now was it ? One wonders what causes separation in this district - it's blanket comments like this. Nice to know my kid goes to school with some who feel this way towards others in the district, and those who share a MS. Watts/Cowlishaw and Brookdale demographically aren't very different, so playing the rich - poor card doesn't work very well at all. It's Watts and Cowlishaw getting hosed on this deal ! but hey, true colors are showing now aren't they?
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 16:02:26 GMT -6
Post by hillmom on Jan 20, 2008 16:02:26 GMT -6
I think I should have phrased my comment better - I do have sympathy for the people taking the long ride - I voted yes knowing I was signing up for that. I just don't think this is an argument that is going to get anyone anywhere because the fact is it is going to be someone. I just scolded a person the other day for not letting someone be upset - everyone is entitled to that. So sorry my comment came out the way it did. I did have several people tell me last time though that my area should have to drive farther because we don't pay as much in property taxes as they do. Maybe a little Karma here. I do think most of us realize this is disheartening for the people that are drawing the shorter stick - there is no doubt that no wants to be that group. I am hoping we can all behave better on Tuesday than the last time it came down to the wire. At the end of the day we do have to be a community. I can tell you last time having drawn the shortest stick - there are 2 things you can do - be negative and be miserable or try to be positive and make it good!
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 16:06:55 GMT -6
Post by proschool on Jan 20, 2008 16:06:55 GMT -6
I have no sympathy for the bus ride argument - Every land scenario has some poor subdivision driving really far - So its okay as long as its not you! Lets face it - We are an enormous district - we dwarf all of the surrounding school districts even our neighbor 203. Somebody is going to be on a bus longer than we'd prefer. If you were looking for the small hometown environment - you moved to the wrong place. The only real solution for the bus and distance complaints - a 4th high school!!! So why can't we understand that someone will always have the longest ride, but still have sympathy for the "poor subdivision" who has to take that ride? my guess is that you are from Brookdale and brookdale is a great place. I think there is a sigh of relief from your area that you will be at MV but I don't understand what has changed. Geographically Brookdale made the most sense at MV when MV was at BB. The administration and the board kept Brookdale at WVHS because they felt Brookdale was important to WV. That has not changed.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 16:17:22 GMT -6
Post by WeBe204 on Jan 20, 2008 16:17:22 GMT -6
I can tell you last time having drawn the shortest stick So, this time we are going to move ahead without all the data. I think the joy of winning after losing (or perception of losing) is causing quick judgement. My opinion is this will get tabled on Tuesday for more information. Based on Dr. D's comments on Sat they continue to get land offers. I do not see a law that says Tuesday is the final day. I think we are in for more wait and see.. ugh.. Oh, and my stick was short under both options. err, wait did I say that...
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 16:22:42 GMT -6
Post by proschool on Jan 20, 2008 16:22:42 GMT -6
Has anyone verified Casey's account of Dr D's comments?
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 17:05:06 GMT -6
Post by Arch on Jan 20, 2008 17:05:06 GMT -6
If they go with AME, everyone sending kids there gets the short stick.
Can anyone say (without using money) how it is the BEST site?
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 17:27:20 GMT -6
Post by proschool on Jan 20, 2008 17:27:20 GMT -6
Without a doubt, BB is the best site.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 17:56:49 GMT -6
Post by rew on Jan 20, 2008 17:56:49 GMT -6
Ditto, Proschool. It's why it was selected in 05 and 06.
Brad I understand where the farm lies, and like I said it is a huge peice of property, what I was asking was does anyone know what portion the district was looking at? The portion north. west, south?
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 18:24:14 GMT -6
Post by EagleDad on Jan 20, 2008 18:24:14 GMT -6
According to the Map of Sites Considered: www.ipsd.org/Uploads/news_17229_1.pdfThey were apparently looking at approximately 250 acres Is it a wonder there is a lack of trust in the information we are getting? I would think that a co-located landfill might be worthy of possibly listing as a site negative. Unless of course you had no intention of going with a site anyways. So disappointed with the quality of the data that this critical decision will be made with.
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Hamman
Jan 20, 2008 18:28:00 GMT -6
Post by plainfield204 on Jan 20, 2008 18:28:00 GMT -6
Looks like there are plenty of possible locations in the south section.
With 250 Acres to work with IMO a location could be found to minimize the impact of the dump.
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