Hamman

[magneto]

Now's the chance for the residents of the SW to redeem themselves, make up for the sins of the developers. Are you up for it? Anyone?

[bbc]

d204mom said:

d204mom said:

No, I don't remember that at all. Please provide references to when "they" mentioned boundaries and location were subject to change. Only published reference is when Vickers stated that. And she was trying to warn us that the 3rd high school was not needed.

So who am I supposed to believe at this point? Vicker's position on not needing the 3rd high school has not changed.

And here ya go... bring up bondaries to distract from the finances.

"It's like deja vu all over again" - Yogi Berra

----------------------------------------------

In my opinion, the current District #204 boundary options have been built on a house of cards--pull the referendum card out, the deck collapses.

The introduction of boundaries is designed for the passage of the referendum. What you are seeing is a planned strategy prepared by a referendum consultant hired by the district (The Center for Community Opinion a/k/a CCO http://www.communityopinion.com). This plan was customized based on the results of last year’s community survey. It is used to persuade voters to a predetermined outcome—the passage of a referendum. CCO touts an approximate success rate of 95% in obtaining passage of previously defeated referenda and uses terminology such as “Data Preparation and Manipulation” on their website. Do they care about our community and our children or do they simply care about their next success ad for their portfolio?

Look what has happened to our community! Neighbors and friends are arguing over boundary proposals, which are being prematurely discussed on nonexistent space. Is this a healing process or have the wounds simply deepened? Full disclosure and factually-supported analysis are imperative to obtain public support for all recommended solutions—boundaries or otherwise. The public has expressed extreme frustration in obtaining disclosure and supportive documentation in district processes; it has also been a continual frustration for me as a board member. I promise to disclose to the public all information and documentation necessary to quantify and support any considerations and recommendations even if I have to file a Freedom of Information Act request to get the job done because we all know how hard free-flowing information is to come by in the district.

It is as apparent to me, as it is to others, that a very emotional topic has been interjected into the referendum process. Let’s not lose sight of why we’re really here. Let’s not pour all our energy into “what ifs”. The boundaries can be redrawn at any time; there are no guarantees.

Christine Vickers
IPSD #204 School Board Member
Dated: January 25, 2006

And as I recall most of the YES voters painted Vickers as a crazy person. Guess she wasn't so crazy after all.

[macy]

magneto said:

Now's the chance for the residents of the SW to redeem themselves, make up for the sins of the developers. Are you up for it? Anyone?

are you kidding me with this?

[scarbroughknight]

They are already getting killed by the housing crisis. Ashwood looks like a semi ghost town and won't be completed by this time next year.

[hmmm]

magneto said:

Now's the chance for the residents of the SW to redeem themselves, make up for the sins of the developers. Are you up for it? Anyone?

This kind of crazy talk make people loose all credibility. Let's bring it back to the topic please.

[gumby]

bbc said:

d204mom said:

And here ya go... bring up bondaries to distract from the finances.

"It's like deja vu all over again" - Yogi Berra

----------------------------------------------

In my opinion, the current District #204 boundary options have been built on a house of cards--pull the referendum card out, the deck collapses.

The introduction of boundaries is designed for the passage of the referendum. What you are seeing is a planned strategy prepared by a referendum consultant hired by the district (The Center for Community Opinion a/k/a CCO http://www.communityopinion.com). This plan was customized based on the results of last year’s community survey. It is used to persuade voters to a predetermined outcome—the passage of a referendum. CCO touts an approximate success rate of 95% in obtaining passage of previously defeated referenda and uses terminology such as “Data Preparation and Manipulation” on their website. Do they care about our community and our children or do they simply care about their next success ad for their portfolio?

Look what has happened to our community! Neighbors and friends are arguing over boundary proposals, which are being prematurely discussed on nonexistent space. Is this a healing process or have the wounds simply deepened? Full disclosure and factually-supported analysis are imperative to obtain public support for all recommended solutions—boundaries or otherwise. The public has expressed extreme frustration in obtaining disclosure and supportive documentation in district processes; it has also been a continual frustration for me as a board member. I promise to disclose to the public all information and documentation necessary to quantify and support any considerations and recommendations even if I have to file a Freedom of Information Act request to get the job done because we all know how hard free-flowing information is to come by in the district.

It is as apparent to me, as it is to others, that a very emotional topic has been interjected into the referendum process. Let’s not lose sight of why we’re really here. Let’s not pour all our energy into “what ifs”. The boundaries can be redrawn at any time; there are no guarantees.

Christine Vickers
IPSD #204 School Board Member
Dated: January 25, 2006

And as I recall most of the YES voters painted Vickers as a crazy person. Guess she wasn't so crazy after all.

No. She was and is less than intelligent when it comes to SB matters. I can't speak for the rest of her time.

She was a shill for the Vote-No people. Ever watch her in action? Ridiculous. Inarticulate and clueless quite a bit of the time at meetings as well.

She fought against a 3rd school just like a good mouthpiece should. And, her reference to boundaies changing wasn't based on the premise that the location would change. Even morons luck into guessing 50:50 propositions.

[d204mom]

gumby said:

bbc said:

And as I recall most of the YES voters painted Vickers as a crazy person. Guess she wasn't so crazy after all.

No. She was and is less than intelligent when it comes to SB matters. I can't speak for the rest of her time.

She was a shill for the Vote-No people. Ever watch her in action? Ridiculous. Inarticulate and clueless quite a bit of the time at meetings as well.

She fought against a 3rd school just like a good mouthpiece should. And, her reference to boundaies changing wasn't based on the premise that the location would change. Even morons luck into guessing 50:50 propositions.

Like it or not, CFO or WE CARE 2 or WDTA or whatever they care to call themselves will get a huge boost if this all shakes out tonight as planned without full disclosure of information.

Looking back on that letter, it was perfectly acceptable to ask for clear information before a final decision. We'll see if the rest of the school board learned their lesson from back then if/when they vote tonight.

[refbasics]

From Magneto:

In total agreement ref. Except my world is not that bleak. Boring sometimes i'll admit.

Think of it like a real estate contract. If it is not in writing it is not enforcible.

Example, there was this cute lawn gnome in the front yard of this house you purchased. You mentioned to the homeowner that you like the gnome, to which he replies he is not sure it will go with their new place. You now assume he is going to leave the little guy behind. After closing you start moving in and you notice the gnome is gone. What recourse do you have? None, unless the purchase contract specifically stated the gnome was to stay. [/quote]..........
------------------------
I can go one better than a 'gnome' (& have already learned that lesson with one house in CA(!) back in 1990, where the sellers took the DOORKNOBS off, and put old copper ones in their place- so i get purchasing a house!)

I have now learned that i must run a referendum past my financial advisor to see what something will REALLY COST; and you say 'treat all this like buying a house'. When i buy a house, i use a real estate LAWYER for the little 'things' i don't know about!

So, now you are telling me i have to run future referenda past my financial advisor and a LAWYER!!?? .....hmmmm

i think all this means there is not a problem with us, voters,.. there is a problem with SB/SD just being a 'little too cute.. too slick' for our 'benefit', and for their own good!

[magneto]

macy said:

magneto said:

Now's the chance for the residents of the SW to redeem themselves, make up for the sins of the developers. Are you up for it? Anyone?

are you kidding me with this?

I'm sorry I was just responding to Scarbrourghkight's comment on the developers.

If you take a poll in SW 204 I would be willing to wager over 75% moved to the area because of NV. You are in the vast majority. Why not blame the real villians; the builders. NV was their main selling point and they advertised to everyone "Buy our houses and your kids will go to NV. (I remember Pattermann had a banner headline on their website advertising it) The problem was they kept building subdivision after subdivision while promising NV to everyone and speading untruths about WV. NV can only hold a certain amount of students and with our districts south population not everyone can fit in.

[slp]

supermomof4 said:

magneto said:

Silly you for trusting a politician.

nowhere on the ref ballot was there a total dollar figure for the school, only that they would issue X dollars of bonds, nowhere did it specify an exact location, using these boundaries, yes it was implied. But in my world, if it is not officially written down on paper, it does not exsist.
Don't know where you live, but I am going to assume you would have gone to the new school had it been at BB.
I thought we needed to relieve the overcrowding in the entire district, not just your little part of it. Last time I checked, my part was also in the district.
BTW I voted yes when it was at BB too, and would have voted yes wherever they put it. I am glad it is North because now my travel times will be less and the 2 exisiting schools will not be as crowded.

Sorry no refunds.

Fantastic point! Does anyone have a copy of the Ref and everyone voted for? Would be interesting to see what it actually says vs. the lies most people are saying about what the Ref "promised"

let me be very clear....it is what the school board promised and/or TOLD the public that resulted in a YES vote. You can spin it any way you want to . Whether or not the writing was on the ballot is irrelevant unless you don't count someones WORD for meaning anything . Most voters relied on the board's word, and therefore voted YES.

In the future I am sure things will be alot different. What is the saying?.... Burn me once, shame on you, Burn me twice....shame on me!!!

[refbasics]

From magneto:

You are right again.

I guess I am assuming that because I live in Butterfield Subdivision

I would probably go to the new HS.

I am such a silly villan.

If we still were to go to WVHS (passing MVHS) that would be OK too.

Some of my neighbors already go past Brooks ES to go to Young ES[/quote]
---------------------------------

Thank you, magneto! even 'silly' villains can have their 'capes' pulled over their eyes!

It happens to the best of us...villains or 'anti-villains'!

[jftb]

Wow. I'm not making up for any sins of any developer just because I live in SW Naperville. Good thing you're not a preacher.....that doesn't make any sense! If you're ticked at someone for the development of south Naperville, why don't you take a look at the city council who approved all of that, not point fingers at developers who had a right (this is America, right?) to try to make a buck.

Moot point anyway.....it's all developed, annexed, and done now. I've got no blood on my hands!!!!!!!!!! How am I to blame for buying a great house in a great neighborhood?

About your earlier post to me, yup, I've learned a big lesson about buying a school district not a school. Where were you in '01? I needed your advice! As I said, this will all blow over and life will get back to normal. People will move on and there'll be new things to talk about. Happened before, will happen again.

I'd really like to see some of you run for the school board in the next election, though! I can really get behind your diligence in getting facts, thinking of all areas, etc. There are some great people posting on this board!