Hamman

[hillmom]

pof2 said:

If Fry and WE get sent to WV, then Welch should be sent there too, since they all attend Scullen. In that case then, Peterson should be sent to NV, along with the rest of their middle school, Crone.

Assuming Peterson is kept at WV, and Fry and WE get sent to WV, what a great make-up that school will have......

Keep in mind that the board keeps saying that middle school boundaries will be redone with the addition of WVHS gold campass to the middle school pool there will be a reshuffle

[hillmom]

archwinsome said:

blankcheck said:

BB is not the best site because of the cost factor involved.

Again, without cost, what is the best?

The math used to justify AME purchase is spotty and packed with hopes, wishes and unknowns and several untruths at best.

Since the numbers are really not known on every line item and there are some in there that are questionable, let's take it off the table for now.

What site is best without considering money? And why is it best?

That is same attitude that has completely tanked the mortgage industry and the stock market. I want the best even if I can't afford it - everyday I wake up and log into bloomberg I have a little thought for everyone that had to have the the best even if they couldn't afford it and were willing to commit fraud to get it. The numbers are everything!

[hillmom]

mustangsix said:

Sorry I'm jumping it and may be off base - Concerning Hamman property, Mark M confirmed that the price is $155,000 per acre (compared to the AME site at $191,500) BUT it still is NOT in our school District so it could be $100/acre cuz Oswego isn't going to give it up. So I guess MM is fine with that info being out there!

He also mentioned that the budget is slated for double crews to keep to a Fall, 2009 opening.

It's time to move on. We will have one school in the south, one in the middle and one in the north. Oddly enough, someone said the 3 high schools are equi-distant from one another at around 5 miles.

And I'm laughing about those lines - they aren't representative of the site ... and those Stonebridge/Harris Farm folks have been living under those lines for years so I don't think they care! If they are willing to send their kids and aren't concerned, why should anyone else be?

Mustang 6 - I have posted a new thread called EMF data if you are interested in reading up on why Stonebridge and Harris Farms don't mind - this Brookdale parent doesn't mind either!

[casey]

hillmom said:

When I heard this was coming I had very mixed feelings about leaving WVHS - There are many of us that instead of focusing on the drive embraced the opportunity - just as we will embrace a new opportunity. Brookdale does have a very involved group of parents and I imagine that same reason could be argued that they need parents like ours at a new school too! The bottom line is we will make the best of the cards we are dealt and we will do it with a smile on our face even if we don't feel so happy inside because being positive is what is best for our kids. Are we smiling now with this exciting opportunity - Absolutely! Are we worried about our friends from Colishaw and May Watts that are potentially feeling upset about the drive - we are and we know how it feels and we feel they are entitled to feel exactly like we did - but do you know what their community is much like ours lovely wonderful people that will also make the best of the card they are dealt!

Oh, please. The sarcasm drips from your posting. It's pretty obvious that you can't wait to leave WVHS for whatever reason. You talk about the cards you've been dealt? You feel like you've come out ahead by getting a new school and are excited about the opportunity? Sorry, I just don't share that logic. IMO, anyone being moved to MVHS isn't coming out ahead. They're getting an unfinished, phased-in school, in the middle of nowhere with some serious "potential health hazards" (those words are from the original site report - not mine!) as well as terrible traffic. Sure YOUR commute might be better but most are not. We're being forced to move kids from all over the district just to fill a school.

What I can't figure out, Hillmom, is why you want out of Waubonsie so badly. From EVERYTHING that everyone posts here, it's a great school and most do not want to leave. I feel especially sorry for the dr. whos of the world who might be forced to leave WVHS and end up at MVHS. I don't think most of them share in your "excitement". I'd keep worrying about your friends from COW and MW because most aren't happy to be moving and I wouldn't be either!

[Arch]

hillmom said:

archwinsome said:

Again, without cost, what is the best?

The math used to justify AME purchase is spotty and packed with hopes, wishes and unknowns and several untruths at best.

Since the numbers are really not known on every line item and there are some in there that are questionable, let's take it off the table for now.

What site is best without considering money? And why is it best?

That is same attitude that has completely tanked the mortgage industry and the stock market. I want the best even if I can't afford it - everyday I wake up and log into bloomberg I have a little thought for everyone that had to have the the best even if they couldn't afford it and were willing to commit fraud to get it. The numbers are everything!

Agreed to an extent.

What tanked the industry was fudging the numbers to make things SEEM affordable when they were not because people wanted to push an agenda and be a bit selfish.

Further, they kept hidden or glossed over the dangers of proceeding forward with those false numbers with the hope and dream that moving forward would somehow just magically all work out.

Disclosure is everything. Then, and only then can the numbers speak for themselves.

[pof2]

Peterson students currently go to Crone. Some of the Peterson students actually walk to Crone. I can't imagine them switching that ES feed to Crone

[jwh]

casey said:

hillmom said:

When I heard this was coming I had very mixed feelings about leaving WVHS - There are many of us that instead of focusing on the drive embraced the opportunity - just as we will embrace a new opportunity. Brookdale does have a very involved group of parents and I imagine that same reason could be argued that they need parents like ours at a new school too! The bottom line is we will make the best of the cards we are dealt and we will do it with a smile on our face even if we don't feel so happy inside because being positive is what is best for our kids. Are we smiling now with this exciting opportunity - Absolutely! Are we worried about our friends from Colishaw and May Watts that are potentially feeling upset about the drive - we are and we know how it feels and we feel they are entitled to feel exactly like we did - but do you know what their community is much like ours lovely wonderful people that will also make the best of the card they are dealt!

Oh, please. The sarcasm drips from your posting. It's pretty obvious that you can't wait to leave WVHS for whatever reason. You talk about the cards you've been dealt? You feel like you've come out ahead by getting a new school and are excited about the opportunity? Sorry, I just don't share that logic. IMO, anyone being moved to MVHS isn't coming out ahead. They're getting an unfinished, phased-in school, in the middle of nowhere with some serious "potential health hazards" (those words are from the original site report - not mine!) as well as terrible traffic. Sure YOUR commute might be better but most are not. We're being forced to move kids from all over the district just to fill a school.

What I can't figure out, Hillmom, is why you want out of Waubonsie so badly. From EVERYTHING that everyone posts here, it's a great school and most do not want to leave. I feel especially sorry for the dr. whos of the world who might be forced to leave WVHS and end up at MVHS. I don't think most of them share in your "excitement". I'd keep worrying about your friends from COW and MW because most aren't happy to be moving and I wouldn't be either!

I read this as a sincere post. Wow, you obviously are quite angry.

[blankcheck]

So arch- Would you say the the SB is on the up and up with the financials that they have presented? Would you say that the way they have issued bonds at a higher rate to get a "kick back" is on the up and up? Personally, I do not think they are being upfront with the taxpayers of this district.

[Arch]

blankcheck said:

So arch- Would you say the the SB is on the up and up with the financials that they have presented? Would you say that the way they have issued bonds at a higher rate to get a "kick back" is on the up and up? Personally, I do not think they are being upfront with the taxpayers of this district.

I do not believe they are on the up and up as you put it with what was presented and how it was presented.

[d204mom]

archwinsome said:

blankcheck said:

So arch- Would you say the the SB is on the up and up with the financials that they have presented? Would you say that the way they have issued bonds at a higher rate to get a "kick back" is on the up and up? Personally, I do not think they are being upfront with the taxpayers of this district.

I do not believe they are on the up and up as you put it with what was presented and how it was presented.

They have known about this for a long time and have chosen now to give us the information, along with the emotional information of site and boundary changes. I find it suspicious that they give us all of the information now and hope the boundary fighting will make people forget about the blown budget. Obviously the budget has been blown for a long time now.

Metzger had been hinting that there was extra money for BB if there was an unfavorable verdict since before his re-election.

Now we find out that we need that extra money just to purchase any land at all, not "extra" for bb.

[casey]

jwh said:

I read this as a sincere post. Wow, you obviously are quite angry.

Why would I be angry? Either way my kids will end up with a great school - NVHS or WVHS. At this point, I don't think that my kids will ever be at AME and I consider that a good thing for us. Sorry I don't share anyone's enthusiasm as to the AME location. I think we deserve better as a district.

[magneto]

casey said:

jwh said:

I read this as a sincere post. Wow, you obviously are quite angry.

Why would I be angry? Either way my kids will end up with a great school - NVHS or WVHS. At this point, I don't think that my kids will ever be at AME and I consider that a good thing for us. Sorry I don't share anyone's enthusiasm as to the AME location. I think we deserve better as a district.

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?
My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.

[casey]

magneto said:

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?
My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.

So, let me see if I can follow your logic. If something doesn't directly effect my kids I shouldn't be concerned about it? Hmmm...that's a pretty narrow mindset.

You're right my kids probably won't go there but I still think it is wrong for the district. We're spending over $140M on a HS at a site that had already been ruled out by the SB for the reason "it is somewhere between a probability and a certainty for exposure to such radiation". Do you think this makes sense? Obviously your kids will be going there so I guess you think that it is a great location for the third HS. I do not.

Don't forget the quote "be careful what you wish for, it might come true."

[newbie]

magneto said:

casey said:

Why would I be angry? Either way my kids will end up with a great school - NVHS or WVHS. At this point, I don't think that my kids will ever be at AME and I consider that a good thing for us. Sorry I don't share anyone's enthusiasm as to the AME location. I think we deserve better as a district.

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?
My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.

I can't speak for Casey, but I can for myself.

The problem I have with AME land is that the parcel is SO FAR BEYOND what the voters approved in the 06 referendum.

Location- not what the voters approved
Boundaries- not what the voters approved
Cost- 140+ million is not what the voters approved
Enrollment- not even close to the predictions the district put out

Regardless of what any ballot said, voters went into the polls trusting the district to keep their word on location and boundaries. They sold the referendum to us as BB with set boundaries.

How many people here think if they'd gone into 06 with AME as the site for Metea the referendum would have passed?

That's what I'm angry about.

ETA: I still have my voting stubb for that election. At the time, I had a very bad feeling in my gut about voting yes but did it anyway.

I want a refund. I have my receipt.

[refbasics]

magneto said:

casey said:

Why would I be angry? Either way my kids will end up with a great school - NVHS or WVHS. At this point, I don't think that my kids will ever be at AME and I consider that a good thing for us. Sorry I don't share anyone's enthusiasm as to the AME location. I think we deserve better as a district.

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?
My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.

Very interesting! Please state the SD guidelines which assign your children to AME. I would like to see those guidelines in writing!.. and where is this information located?