Hamman

[magneto]

I am a supervillan BTW, and I really was not looking for any respect from anyone here.

[casey]

magneto said:

I have overheard enough from people in the WE/TG area to know this is the case. I don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

Oh, that's wonderful. I hope you teach your kids with this wonderful attitude that way they'll grow up just like you . Just bash an entire area of a couple thousand people. Yep, we're all "bad apples".

IMO, it's sad that there are people that spill venom like you. Keep hiding behind your cape! We don't need persons like you posting that can't be respectful of others.

[magneto]

casey said:

magneto said:

I have overheard enough from people in the WE/TG area to know this is the case. I don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

Oh, that's wonderful. I hope you teach your kids with this wonderful attitude that way they'll grow up just like you . Just bash an entire area of a couple thousand people. Yep, we're all "bad apples".

IMO, it's sad that there are people that spill venom like you. Keep hiding behind your cape! We don't need persons like you posting that can't be respectful of others.

OK you are right, I am so sorry. Please let me know who I can thank from your area that is supportive of the 3rd HS independant of the site.

[jwh]

newbie said:

Magneto,

Do you think the referendum would have passed in 06 if AME was the site choice?

Simple question.

ETA: You are correct in one thing, I've learned my lesson never to trust these people again.

The referendum stated it was to build a third high school. The boundaries and location were provided to appease certain areas and definitely helped with the Yes votes. But, they even mentioned the boundaries and location were subject to change.

[Arch]

jwh said:

newbie said:

Magneto,

Do you think the referendum would have passed in 06 if AME was the site choice?

Simple question.

ETA: You are correct in one thing, I've learned my lesson never to trust these people again.

The referendum stated it was to build a third high school. The boundaries and location were provided to appease certain areas and definitely helped with the Yes votes. But, they even mentioned the boundaries and location were subject to change.

We need a school, who cares what the boundaries are? The only stipulation I have is locate it in the safest place possible. If they need more money to do that, my wallet is open. The cost is insignificant each year for the peace of mind and added safety and security, even if it is not my kids attending there.

[d204mom]

jwh said:

The referendum stated it was to build a third high school. The boundaries and location were provided to appease certain areas and definitely helped with the Yes votes. But, they even mentioned the boundaries and location were subject to change.

No, I don't remember that at all. Please provide references to when "they" mentioned boundaries and location were subject to change. Only published reference is when Vickers stated that. And she was trying to warn us that the 3rd high school was not needed.

So who am I supposed to believe at this point? Vicker's position on not needing the 3rd high school has not changed.

[d204mom]

d204mom said:

jwh said:

The referendum stated it was to build a third high school. The boundaries and location were provided to appease certain areas and definitely helped with the Yes votes. But, they even mentioned the boundaries and location were subject to change.

No, I don't remember that at all. Please provide references to when "they" mentioned boundaries and location were subject to change. Only published reference is when Vickers stated that. And she was trying to warn us that the 3rd high school was not needed.

So who am I supposed to believe at this point? Vicker's position on not needing the 3rd high school has not changed.

And here ya go... bring up bondaries to distract from the finances.

"It's like deja vu all over again" - Yogi Berra

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In my opinion, the current District #204 boundary options have been built on a house of cards--pull the referendum card out, the deck collapses.

The introduction of boundaries is designed for the passage of the referendum. What you are seeing is a planned strategy prepared by a referendum consultant hired by the district (The Center for Community Opinion a/k/a CCO http://www.communityopinion.com). This plan was customized based on the results of last year’s community survey. It is used to persuade voters to a predetermined outcome—the passage of a referendum. CCO touts an approximate success rate of 95% in obtaining passage of previously defeated referenda and uses terminology such as “Data Preparation and Manipulation” on their website. Do they care about our community and our children or do they simply care about their next success ad for their portfolio?

Look what has happened to our community! Neighbors and friends are arguing over boundary proposals, which are being prematurely discussed on nonexistent space. Is this a healing process or have the wounds simply deepened? Full disclosure and factually-supported analysis are imperative to obtain public support for all recommended solutions—boundaries or otherwise. The public has expressed extreme frustration in obtaining disclosure and supportive documentation in district processes; it has also been a continual frustration for me as a board member. I promise to disclose to the public all information and documentation necessary to quantify and support any considerations and recommendations even if I have to file a Freedom of Information Act request to get the job done because we all know how hard free-flowing information is to come by in the district.

It is as apparent to me, as it is to others, that a very emotional topic has been interjected into the referendum process. Let’s not lose sight of why we’re really here. Let’s not pour all our energy into “what ifs”. The boundaries can be redrawn at any time; there are no guarantees.

Christine Vickers
IPSD #204 School Board Member
Dated: January 25, 2006

[forthekids]

magneto said:

casey said:

Oh, that's wonderful. I hope you teach your kids with this wonderful attitude that way they'll grow up just like you . Just bash an entire area of a couple thousand people. Yep, we're all "bad apples".

IMO, it's sad that there are people that spill venom like you. Keep hiding behind your cape! We don't need persons like you posting that can't be respectful of others.

OK you are right, I am so sorry. Please let me know who I can thank from your area that is supportive of the 3rd HS independant of the site.

You can thank me!

[jftb]

magneto said:

fence said:

Well thank GOD you're here then. We really could use pointers on the right way to behave.

You're welcome.
I am just being honest.
newbie, you are right I have no idea where you live, but your initial response speaks volumes.
Nor am I naming names. I am reminded of the old saying - A few bad apples ruin the bunch.
I have overheard enough from people in the WE/TG area to know this is the case. I don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

In 2001 the hub and I left Chicago and started checking out the 'burbs. Drove out to Naperville, took one look at Neuqua Valley High School, and we were 100% sold. Called the realtor and said get us a neighborhood that goes to that school....wow, it looks like the Taj Mahal!

So, yes, it is selfish, but I want to stay at the school that was the whole impetus for our move to this town. I'm really bummed about it and don't apologize for that. Why do we all have to be PC and dance around the fact that a lot of people are really, really disappointed and that's OKAY.

However, it'll all work out in the long run, people will get over their disappointments and move on, just like they did when the boundaries were announced in '06.

Whether we go to WV, MV, or NV, I kinda bet you never liked us in the SW anyway. Isn't it funny to call us the bad apples when we never said a thing about you?

[supermomof4]

archwinsome said:

jwh said:

The referendum stated it was to build a third high school. The boundaries and location were provided to appease certain areas and definitely helped with the Yes votes. But, they even mentioned the boundaries and location were subject to change.

We need a school, who cares what the boundaries are? The only stipulation I have is locate it in the safest place possible. If they need more money to do that, my wallet is open. The cost is insignificant each year for the peace of mind and added safety and security, even if it is not my kids attending there.

Arch

As you seem to be the one running the show around here and have been on this board for a while, do you have a copy of the Referendum?

I think it would really be helpful to see the exact wording.

[magneto]

forthekids said:

magneto said:

OK you are right, I am so sorry. Please let me know who I can thank from your area that is supportive of the 3rd HS independant of the site.

You can thank me!

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!

1 out of thousands - anyone else?

[refbasics]

[/quote]

From Magneto:

..."Silly you for trusting a politician.

nowhere on the ref ballot was there a total dollar figure for the
school, only that they would issue X dollars of bonds,

(The referendum say: .... for the purpose of paying the costs thereof." COSTS?? - so cost doesn't mean how much something costs? that goes along with 'central is north', 'west is south'... this 'NEW READING' is killing me...and i thought the NEW MATH was hard!) ......So WHAT could be the Maximum cost of the school??? I can't believe i voted for something that i don't know the cost of!!!

nowhere did it specify an exact location,(I AGREE) using these boundaries (I AGREE) , yes it was implied.

But in my world (that's a pretty bleak world-glad i don't live there!!) if it is not officially written down on paper, it does not exsist.

Don't know where you live, but I am going to assume you would have gone to the new school had it been at BB.

I thought we needed to relieve the overcrowding in the entire district, not just your little part of it. Last time I checked, my part was also in the district.

BTW I voted yes when it was at BB too, and would have voted
yes wherever they put it. I am glad it is North because now my
travel times will be less and the 2 exisiting schools will not be as
crowded.

Sorry no refunds.
[/quote] "..............

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Yes, magneto, what you say may be TRUE.... but

'Fool me once, shame on you (the SD/SB)... Fool me twice, shame on me ...

The Trust factor between the voters & the SD/SB has really gone down, IMHO. We will have to start parsing all educational communications, and understand what "is".. "is"!

[Arch]

Proposition 22, page 6 of this PDF is the referendum ballot text.

cms.dupageelections.com/uploads/JID37_3%2021%2006%20Props_2_3_06%20-%20Unofficial.pdf

[magneto]

napermom said:

magneto said:

You're welcome.
I am just being honest.
newbie, you are right I have no idea where you live, but your initial response speaks volumes.
Nor am I naming names. I am reminded of the old saying - A few bad apples ruin the bunch.
I have overheard enough from people in the WE/TG area to know this is the case. I don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

In 2001 the hub and I left Chicago and started checking out the 'burbs. Drove out to Naperville, took one look at Neuqua Valley High School, and we were 100% sold. Called the realtor and said get us a neighborhood that goes to that school....wow, it looks like the Taj Mahal!

So, yes, it is selfish, but I want to stay at the school that was the whole impetus for our move to this town. I'm really bummed about it and don't apologize for that. Why do we all have to be PC and dance around the fact that a lot of people are really, really disappointed and that's OKAY.

However, it'll all work out in the long run, people will get over their disappointments and move on, just like they did when the boundaries were announced in '06.

Whether we go to WV, MV, or NV, I kinda bet you never liked us in the SW anyway. Isn't it funny to call us the bad apples when we never said a thing about you?

OK I am glad someone here admits to a bit of selfishness. Would you also agree that you probably should have been a little more thorough in checking out the entire district, and not basing it on 1 school?

Not much has been said about those of us in the north, because as has been said before, there are not enough of us up here to really matter, and for the most part we have been going along with the needs of the entire District. Now that we have a chance to get a HS nearer to us; We can't be a little pleased?

[blankcheck]

22. INDIAN PRAIRIE COMMUNITY UNIT SCHOOL DISTRICT NUMBER 204
PROPOSITION TO ISSUE $124,660,000.00 SCHOOL BUILDING BONDS
Shall the Board of Education of Indian Prairie Community Unit School District
Number 204, DuPage and Will Counties, Illinois, acquire and improve a high school
site, build and equip one new high school building and issue the bonds of said
School District to the amount of $124,660,000.00 for the purpose of paying the costs
thereof?

eh.robis.net/uploads/JID37_3%2021%2006%20Props_2_3_06%20-%20Unofficial.pdf

I found this in the archives.