Hamman

[Arch]

Pleasure comes before safety for some, I suppose.

[204family]

Not much has been said about those of us in the north, because as has been said before, there are not enough of us up here to really matter, and for the most part we have been going along with the needs of the entire District. Now that we have a chance to get a HS nearer to us; We can't be a little pleased?[/quote]

Now I'm glad someone else admits to a little bit of selfishness.

[blankcheck]

Since this is a "Yes" board, I debated whether or not to put in why I am voting No. I can appreciate Rocky's comments and I guess the point here is that we all need to arrive at our own conclusions. I am not with any party, have never donated to anyone. I am just a concerned parent who has tried like everyone here to pick apart the information and arrive at my own conclusion.

1) The cost of the land. Why would anyone vote for something they have no idea what the cost will be? They are going back to court on March 21st (the day we vote) This issue could wind up going to a jury to determine the fair market value of the property. When they originally went for the land, their first offer was $105,000/acre. They settled two years later for $257,500/acre. Also, this land that they currently have is not suited to be built on - so was it the cheapest part that the estate sold them and the rest is premium?

Boy, archives march 16, 2006 - great to visit. This was one of my points almost 2 years ago as to why I was voting no.

[d204mom]

blankcheck said:

Since this is a "Yes" board, I debated whether or not to put in why I am voting No. I can appreciate Rocky's comments and I guess the point here is that we all need to arrive at our own conclusions. I am not with any party, have never donated to anyone. I am just a concerned parent who has tried like everyone here to pick apart the information and arrive at my own conclusion.

1) The cost of the land. Why would anyone vote for something they have no idea what the cost will be? They are going back to court on March 21st (the day we vote) This issue could wind up going to a jury to determine the fair market value of the property. When they originally went for the land, their first offer was $105,000/acre. They settled two years later for $257,500/acre. Also, this land that they currently have is not suited to be built on - so was it the cheapest part that the estate sold them and the rest is premium?

Boy, archives march 16, 2006 - great to visit. This was one of my points almost 2 years ago as to why I was voting no.

blankcheck - You will have lots more company in the future on NO votes due to the district not being forthright with the information. I won't trust these people ever again. Lesson learned.

Unfortunately we approved 124.7M which has turned into 132.8M in debt due to loopholes in financing laws. Didn't think I'd have to even mistrust the number in the referendum, but again, lesson learned.

[magneto]

refbasics said:

From Magneto:

..."Silly you for trusting a politician.

nowhere on the ref ballot was there a total dollar figure for the
school, only that they would issue X dollars of bonds,

(The referendum say: .... for the purpose of paying the costs thereof." COSTS?? - so cost doesn't mean how much something costs? that goes along with 'central is north', 'west is south'... this 'NEW READING' is killing me...and i thought the NEW MATH was hard!) ......So WHAT could be the Maximum cost of the school??? I can't believe i voted for something that i don't know the cost of!!!

nowhere did it specify an exact location,(I AGREE) using these boundaries (I AGREE) , yes it was implied.

But in my world (that's a pretty bleak world-glad i don't live there!!) if it is not officially written down on paper, it does not exsist.

Don't know where you live, but I am going to assume you would have gone to the new school had it been at BB.

I thought we needed to relieve the overcrowding in the entire district, not just your little part of it. Last time I checked, my part was also in the district.

BTW I voted yes when it was at BB too, and would have voted
yes wherever they put it. I am glad it is North because now my
travel times will be less and the 2 exisiting schools will not be as
crowded.

Sorry no refunds.
[/quote] "..............

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Yes, magneto, what you say may be TRUE.... but

'Fool me once, shame on you (the SD/SB)... Fool me twice, shame on me ...

The Trust factor between the voters & the SD/SB has really gone down, IMHO. We will have to start parsing all educational communications, and understand what "is".. "is"! [/quote]

In total agreement ref. Except my world is not that bleak. Boring sometimes i'll admit.
Think of it like a real estate contract. If it is not in writing it is not enforcible.
Example, there was this cute lawn gnome in the front yard of this house you purchased. You mentioned to the homeowner that you like the gnome, to which he replies he is not sure it will go with their new place. You now assume he is going to leave the little guy behind. After closing you start moving in and you notice the gnome is gone. What recourse do you have? None, unless the purchase contract specifically stated the gnome was to stay.

[magneto]

204family said:

Not much has been said about those of us in the north, because as has been said before, there are not enough of us up here to really matter, and for the most part we have been going along with the needs of the entire District. Now that we have a chance to get a HS nearer to us; We can't be a little pleased?

Now I'm glad someone else admits to a little bit of selfishness.[/quote]

So being pleased it is north is selfish? OK if you say so. I also think I mentioned I still voted yes when I thought it was going in at BB and I got very little out of the deal. Yep - selfish me.

[Arch]

magneto said:

In total agreement ref. Except my world is not that bleak. Boring sometimes i'll admit.
Think of it like a real estate contract. If it is not in writing it is not enforcible.
Example, there was this cute lawn gnome in the front yard of this house you purchased. You mentioned to the homeowner that you like the gnome, to which he replies he is not sure it will go with their new place. You now assume he is going to leave the little guy behind. After closing you start moving in and you notice the gnome is gone. What recourse do you have? None, unless the purchase contract specifically stated the gnome was to stay.

Great analogy.

That's like walking through a model house and seeing it with all its splendor, tucked away in the middle of a row of similar looking ones.

After they are done building it you return to find railroad tracks, gas pipelines, and high voltage wires running right along side of it.

Oh, and your price went up too.

[stinks]

magneto said:

napermom said:

In 2001 the hub and I left Chicago and started checking out the 'burbs. Drove out to Naperville, took one look at Neuqua Valley High School, and we were 100% sold. Called the realtor and said get us a neighborhood that goes to that school....wow, it looks like the Taj Mahal!

So, yes, it is selfish, but I want to stay at the school that was the whole impetus for our move to this town. I'm really bummed about it and don't apologize for that. Why do we all have to be PC and dance around the fact that a lot of people are really, really disappointed and that's OKAY.

However, it'll all work out in the long run, people will get over their disappointments and move on, just like they did when the boundaries were announced in '06.

Whether we go to WV, MV, or NV, I kinda bet you never liked us in the SW anyway. Isn't it funny to call us the bad apples when we never said a thing about you?

OK I am glad someone here admits to a bit of selfishness. Would you also agree that you probably should have been a little more thorough in checking out the entire district, and not basing it on 1 school?

Not much has been said about those of us in the north, because as has been said before, there are not enough of us up here to really matter, and for the most part we have been going along with the needs of the entire District. Now that we have a chance to get a HS nearer to us; We can't be a little pleased?

Be pleased all you want. I'd be proud to be a part of those 80% of babies that initially tried to vote down because of the boundaries. No thought for the district as a whole. Just the "what's best for me" thinking. Wonderful bunch of B-babies . . .

So, who gives a damn about the power lines and gas pipes? As long as the school is in your backyard, you're happy. Be proud!

[stinks]

Double Post.

[refbasics]

refbasics said:

magneto said:

From Magneto:

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?

My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.[/quote]

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Very interesting! Please state the SD guidelines which assign your children to AME. I would like to see those guidelines in writing!.. and where is this information located?

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2nd REQUEST PLEASE!

Please state the SD guidelines which assign your children to AME. I would like to see those guidelines in writing!.. and where is this information located?

..... As you have said, magneto, .......

....But in my world, if it is not officially written down on paper, it does not exsist"...........

Sorry for the 'parsing' of your words.. i'm practicing for the next SD/SB communication!

[proschool]

Napermom,

I understand that you wanted to stay at NV but NV is too crowded. If you keep one subdivion there you need to move another one out. It's not an anti-south thing. NV is part IPSD 204 which is dedicated to having excellent schools across the board. Everyone who was living in the district contributed to building it and it was a huge source of pride for all of us. Very little, if any, of the money you paid for your house contributed to the cost of building the high school. I symathiize with the way you feel but I can't have any feeling that your kids deserve NV if my kids are okay with less.

[magneto]

archwinsome said:

magneto said:

In total agreement ref. Except my world is not that bleak. Boring sometimes i'll admit.
Think of it like a real estate contract. If it is not in writing it is not enforcible.
Example, there was this cute lawn gnome in the front yard of this house you purchased. You mentioned to the homeowner that you like the gnome, to which he replies he is not sure it will go with their new place. You now assume he is going to leave the little guy behind. After closing you start moving in and you notice the gnome is gone. What recourse do you have? None, unless the purchase contract specifically stated the gnome was to stay.

Great analogy.

That's like walking through a model house and seeing it with all its splendor, tucked away in the middle of a row of similar looking ones.

After they are done building it you return to find railroad tracks, gas pipelines, and high voltage wires running right along side of it.

Oh, and your price went up too.

good one too. Because when you looked at the house, they told you that they might have a lot for you at this spot, but they were still working on getting it, and really have no idea how much it will cost yet. Others in the area went for X. You thought- WOW Nice spot, I'll will sign a purchase contract and hope for the best.
They come back to you now and say they can get the spot you wanted, but it will cost 2.20 times more. OOH you say I can't afford this, I only have this much for my mortgage. Oh well ,you will have to go with this your spot then.

[Arch]

magneto said:

archwinsome said:

Great analogy.

That's like walking through a model house and seeing it with all its splendor, tucked away in the middle of a row of similar looking ones.

After they are done building it you return to find railroad tracks, gas pipelines, and high voltage wires running right along side of it.

Oh, and your price went up too.

good one too. Because when you looked at the house, they told you that they might have a lot for you at this spot, but they were still working on getting it, and really have no idea how much it will cost yet. Others in the area went for X. You thought- WOW Nice spot, I'll will sign a purchase contract and hope for the best.
They come back to you now and say they can get the spot you wanted, but it will cost 2.20 times more. OOH you say I can't afford this, I only have this much for my mortgage. Oh well ,you will have to go with this your spot then.

Ah, but they've only decided we can not afford the original better spot.

They have not asked if the public is willing yet, now have they? I certainly am.

Are you?

[magneto]

refbasics said:

refbasics said:

magneto said:

From Magneto:

So if your kids have no chance on having to go to this school, why are in such a tizzy?

My kids will go there, at AME, and I am fine with it.[/quote]

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Very interesting! Please state the SD guidelines which assign your children to AME. I would like to see those guidelines in writing!.. and where is this information located?

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2nd REQUEST PLEASE!

Please state the SD guidelines which assign your children to AME. I would like to see those guidelines in writing!.. and where is this information located?

..... As you have said, magneto, .......

....But in my world, if it is not officially written down on paper, it does not exsist"...........

Sorry for the 'parsing' of your words.. i'm practicing for the next SD/SB communication!

You are right again. I guess I am assuming that because I live in Butterfield Subdivision I would probably go to the new HS. I am such a silly villan.
If we still were to go to WVHS (passing MVHS) that would be OK too.
Some of my neighbors already go past Brooks ES to go to Young ES

[scarbroughknight]

napermom said:

magneto said:

You're welcome.
I am just being honest.
newbie, you are right I have no idea where you live, but your initial response speaks volumes.
Nor am I naming names. I am reminded of the old saying - A few bad apples ruin the bunch.
I have overheard enough from people in the WE/TG area to know this is the case. I don't think it's right, but it is what it is.

In 2001 the hub and I left Chicago and started checking out the 'burbs. Drove out to Naperville, took one look at Neuqua Valley High School, and we were 100% sold. Called the realtor and said get us a neighborhood that goes to that school....wow, it looks like the Taj Mahal!

So, yes, it is selfish, but I want to stay at the school that was the whole impetus for our move to this town. I'm really bummed about it and don't apologize for that. Why do we all have to be PC and dance around the fact that a lot of people are really, really disappointed and that's OKAY.

However, it'll all work out in the long run, people will get over their disappointments and move on, just like they did when the boundaries were announced in '06.

Whether we go to WV, MV, or NV, I kinda bet you never liked us in the SW anyway. Isn't it funny to call us the bad apples when we never said a thing about you?

If you take a poll in SW 204 I would be willing to wager over 75% moved to the area because of NV. You are in the vast majority. Why not blame the real villians; the builders. NV was their main selling point and they advertised to everyone "Buy our houses and your kids will go to NV. (I remember Pattermann had a banner headline on their website advertising it) The problem was they kept building subdivision after subdivision while promising NV to everyone and speading untruths about WV. NV can only hold a certain amount of students and with our districts south population not everyone can fit in.