Post by EagleDad on Jan 20, 2008 10:43:00 GMT -6
Well I sais this would not be pretty and from a formatting perspective it is not, but I do not want some of the great research that done to be lost. I am locking this thread from member participation, it is historical only.
To begin, here is Page 53 of the losts posts from the EagleDad chronicles. We shall name this episode "The one where casey drops the Macom bomb":
To begin, here is Page 53 of the losts posts from the EagleDad chronicles. We shall name this episode "The one where casey drops the Macom bomb":
plainfield204
« Reply #780 on Yesterday at 8:42pm »
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Any idea how long the commute from the far SW (Century Trace) to WV will be?
Mapquest says to NV = ~4 miles, to WV ~6 miles (50% increase).
doctorwho
« Reply #781 on Yesterday at 8:55pm »
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Yesterday at 8:42pm, plainfield204 wrote:Any idea how long the commute from the far SW (Century Trace) to WV will be?
Mapquest says to NV = ~4 miles, to WV ~6 miles (50% increase).
I don't - how long is your trip now ? If you e-mail the SB they might have that new number handy, I got my answer @ the Watts PTA sessiion. It is certainly a valid question when someone visits your MS- likely next week.
The mileage doesn't always tell the story - it's the route, the number of lights, intersections etc.
For me we go from going up 75th street to Ogden and we are there. It's a straight shot and encompasses crossing 1 major road - Rt 59. WVHS is 6 stoplights away - that's it. And 75th is 50 MPH.
For my trip to AME we cross 5 major roads - some of the most congested intersections in the district ( and on the top accident list )- and I couldn't begin to count the lights.
that is what makes up the 15 -> 40+ minute difference more than even the miles. So your trip could increase 50% - or maybe less or more than 50% depending on route.
casey
« Reply #782 on Yesterday at 9:02pm »
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Yesterday at 8:42pm, plainfield204 wrote:Any idea how long the commute from the far SW (Century Trace) to WV will be?
Mapquest says to NV = ~4 miles, to WV ~6 miles (50% increase).
Hmmm...let's see, out of your neighborhood, down 248th to Wolf's Crossing (don't get stuck at the train (that could be another 8 minutes), right on Eola, up Eola to Ogden. On a good day with no traffic 18 minutes. A bus trip with multiple stops 40+ minutes! It's going to be long.
And what's your commute to Neuqua?
plainfield204
« Reply #783 on Yesterday at 9:03pm »
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doctorwho:
Looked it up, about 30 minutes, x 1.5 would be ~45 minutes.
Would think now is up rt 59 to 95th east to NV
To WV think they would take rt 30 to Eola to WV
Don't know traffic at that time but best case I would think would be 40 minutes (on bus).
Driving ~ 15 to 20 max
plainfield204
« Reply #784 on Yesterday at 9:09pm »
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casey:
First kid just started Kindergarden @ Petrerson.
Gonna be intersting to see what middle school we end up at.
Might be WV Gold campus or Still which would be a nice commute too.
cambridgegal
« Reply #785 on Today at 1:45am »
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Here's more info on the peaker plant--it was decommissioned and used jet fuel which is similar to kerosene or diesel fuel--fairly safe. There should be some kind of concrete pan under it which would neutralize any small leakage. I assume that there will be some kind of soil testing at that area after it is removed.
The northern edge of the property is the Prairie Path. High tension electrical towers/cables follow this path for quite some ways.
Just to the north of the Prairie Path and next to Diehl Road is an electrical switching substation. This is not on the AME property.
North of the AME property approx. 1.5 miles is the Aurora Power Plant--this is the new peaker plant which operates when the power grid is using the most electricity. That is the place that uses natural gas, but only when needed because it is too expensive.
yeson321
« Reply #786 on Today at 8:56am »
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Today at 1:45am, cambridgegal wrote:Here's more info on the peaker plant--it was decommissioned and used jet fuel which is similar to kerosene or diesel fuel--fairly safe. There should be some kind of concrete pan under it which would neutralize any small leakage. I assume that there will be some kind of soil testing at that area after it is removed.
The northern edge of the property is the Prairie Path. High tension electrical towers/cables follow this path for quite some ways.
Just to the north of the Prairie Path and next to Diehl Road is an electrical switching substation. This is not on the AME property.
North of the AME property approx. 1.5 miles is the Aurora Power Plant--this is the new peaker plant which operates when the power grid is using the most electricity. That is the place that uses natural gas, but only when needed because it is too expensive.
The electrical switching substation may technically not be on the AME property, but it is similar to saying that if you are sitting in the nonsmoking section of a restaurant adjacent to the smoking section, you still have the smoke coming to your side.
The ENVIRON letter states: "Readings were taken in the north end of the property at areas that will likely include the future parking lots and athletic stadium. Aside from the off-site readings directly under the east-west and the north-south power lines along the eastern border, all test results were at typical background levels as expected in most suburban areas. The readings taken on the proposed school site, ranged from 0.32-7.2 mG with the average reading of 2.1mG."
It also states: "The Northern most boundary showed slightly elevated readings, however only in the areas along the proposed road, which would be occupied only briefly."
I am absolutely not comfortable with these findings and want additional information. The letter states that there were enclosures included. The public should be able to see this information, especially if it shows the exact locations and exact readings where tested. Also, we have yet to have the question answered regarding the impact of weather and usage.
archwinsome
« Reply #787 on Today at 10:32am »
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I'd like to see the RAW data. Dates/Times and the actual readings and what was used to make those readings.
Massaged and summarized data loses all of the details and then comes down to someone's OPINION.
Please disclose FACTS not OPINIONS, SB.
gumby
« Reply #788 on Today at 10:35am »
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Today at 1:45am, cambridgegal wrote:Here's more info on the peaker plant--it was decommissioned and used jet fuel which is similar to kerosene or diesel fuel--fairly safe. There should be some kind of concrete pan under it which would neutralize any small leakage. I assume that there will be some kind of soil testing at that area after it is removed.
The northern edge of the property is the Prairie Path. High tension electrical towers/cables follow this path for quite some ways.
Just to the north of the Prairie Path and next to Diehl Road is an electrical switching substation. This is not on the AME property.
North of the AME property approx. 1.5 miles is the Aurora Power Plant--this is the new peaker plant which operates when the power grid is using the most electricity. That is the place that uses natural gas, but only when needed because it is too expensive.
So, are you saying that M2 is being a little less than honest? I'm willing to initially trust people, but if what you say is true, then he's lost any credibility here.
Do we have proof that jet fuel was used in the decommissioned power plant? And, diesel fuel is not safe. I believe that Arch provided a table showing in fact how much more carcinogenic it is than other materials.
archwinsome
« Reply #789 on Today at 10:36am »
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Speaking of factual data:
Aso include:
1) Whether or not any hazardous materials travel on that set of train tracks now or any that may be planned. This includes chemicals in tanker cars as well as nuclear material (waste that may be in transit to/from Zion, Dresden, Braidwood, or to a National Waste Repository in the future)
2) How impregnable are the natural gas pipelines to purposeful intent to harm. Can someone go down to Rent-A-Center and get a well digging machine and under the pretense of taking 'soil samples' cause a disaster?
3) If a high tension electrical line were to break, is there enough distance to the next connecting point to allow it to come down ANYWHERE on the school property while being HOT?
Answer those with facts, then we'll move onto smaller areas of concern. Right now, those are at the top of the list.
eagledad
« Reply #790 on Today at 11:20am »
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I'd like to take a moment to reflect on the 2005 Site Selection Report. In the introduction, the board had this to say about accesibility
Accessibility
This factor consists of two elements: ingress/egress opportunities and traffic patterns.
A 3,000 student high school requires a number of access opportunities from the adjoining
roadways. Three or more ingress/egress locations are the minimum necessary, and more
would be more desirable. At least one must be signaled. Again, more would be more
desirable.
Looking at the current Site recommendation from the edministration for the Eola Rd site: www.ipsd.org/Uploads/news_17229_3.pdf at the plans on page 9, there are only 2 access roads to the site, and they are located approximately 600 feet apart (think of this as 6 homes in your typical subdivision), only one has a left-hand cut on Eola.
So are 3 accesses no longer needed for a 3000 student high school? Will accessibility be a problem on the Eola site?
archwinsome
« Reply #791 on Today at 11:35am »
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Today at 10:35am, gumby wrote:
Today at 1:45am, cambridgegal wrote:Here's more info on the peaker plant--it was decommissioned and used jet fuel which is similar to kerosene or diesel fuel--fairly safe. There should be some kind of concrete pan under it which would neutralize any small leakage. I assume that there will be some kind of soil testing at that area after it is removed.
The northern edge of the property is the Prairie Path. High tension electrical towers/cables follow this path for quite some ways.
Just to the north of the Prairie Path and next to Diehl Road is an electrical switching substation. This is not on the AME property.
North of the AME property approx. 1.5 miles is the Aurora Power Plant--this is the new peaker plant which operates when the power grid is using the most electricity. That is the place that uses natural gas, but only when needed because it is too expensive.
So, are you saying that M2 is being a little less than honest? I'm willing to initially trust people, but if what you say is true, then he's lost any credibility here.
Do we have proof that jet fuel was used in the decommissioned power plant? And, diesel fuel is not safe. I believe that Arch provided a table showing in fact how much more carcinogenic it is than other materials.
www.secinfo.com/dRqWm.3cf4.htm
Electric Junction Aurora, Illinois
The off-site peaking units consist of five peaking facilities: Bloom, Calumet, Electric Junction, Lombard and Sabrooke. The off-site peaking units were commissioned in 1969, except for Electric Junction, which was commissioned in 1970.
Both the on-site peaking units and the off-site peaking units burn either No. 2 distillate oil (jet fuel) or both natural gas and No. 2 distillate oil. Natural gas is purchased in the monthly and daily spot markets and is shipped at the seller's risk to Chicago. Peoples Gas provides delivery services, including balancing storage, to the site under tariffs approved by the Illinois Commerce Commission.
Also, go read this testimony that compares the old plant (Electric Junction, next to AME) to the new plant on the north side of I-88
The fun stuff starts around page 19/20ish about lack of pollution standards or pollution minimizing devices... but search for Electric Junction.
Lo and Behold! Talk of Jet Fuel, onsite storage etc. It ran on BOTH Natural Gas *AND* Jet Fuel probably depending on what the market prices of each fuel source was at the time.
tinyurl.com/2bytdr
gumby
« Reply #792 on Today at 11:40am »
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Today at 11:35am, archwinsome wrote:
Today at 10:35am, gumby wrote:
So, are you saying that M2 is being a little less than honest? I'm willing to initially trust people, but if what you say is true, then he's lost any credibility here.
Do we have proof that jet fuel was used in the decommissioned power plant? And, diesel fuel is not safe. I believe that Arch provided a table showing in fact how much more carcinogenic it is than other materials.
www.secinfo.com/dRqWm.3cf4.htm
Electric Junction Aurora, Illinois
The off-site peaking units consist of five peaking facilities: Bloom, Calumet, Electric Junction, Lombard and Sabrooke. The off-site peaking units were commissioned in 1969, except for Electric Junction, which was commissioned in 1970.
Both the on-site peaking units and the off-site peaking units burn either No. 2 distillate oil (jet fuel) or both natural gas and No. 2 distillate oil. Natural gas is purchased in the monthly and daily spot markets and is shipped at the seller's risk to Chicago. Peoples Gas provides delivery services, including balancing storage, to the site under tariffs approved by the Illinois Commerce Commission.
Also, go read this testimony that compares the old plant (Electric Junction, next to AME) to the new plant on the north side of I-88
The fun stuff starts around page 19/20ish about lack of pollution standards or pollution minimizing devices... but search for Electric Junction.
Lo and Behold! Talk of Jet Fuel, onsite storage etc. It ran on BOTH Natural Gas *AND* Jet Fuel probably depending on what the market prices of each fuel source was at the time.
tinyurl.com/2bytdr
Perfect. Thanks. Either he doesn't know or is slectively providing info. What a mess this all is . . .
casey
« Reply #793 on Today at 6:22pm »
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I posted this in the Hamman thread but it really should go here instead. Sorry for the double post but I thought this one was important.
Interestingly enough, Dr. D. said today at the Naperville Homeowner's Federation meeting (yes, I went) that he has received continuous land negotiation deals even as recent as YESTERDAY (Friday, January 18)! Yes, he mentioned that he received a memo yesterday with a price drop from a seller that started at $221K/acre, then $209/acre now down to $155k/acre. Can't imagine why he would throw that kind of information out there in front of the group but trust that he did!
FWIW, the only seller that had land anywhere close to that price was Macom. Now, let's see a drop of $66k/acre adds up to a considerable amount of money. 85 acres/$155K = a savings on $5.610M. Are we sure that we really know what is going on with regards to the Macom offer? If Dr. D. gave out correct information, we owe it the SD community to further explore that property. I still have a hard time believing that he "spilled the beans" on such a quiet negotiation but I SWEAR that he did.
If you want to challenge the information, you could check with anyone on Naperville Homeowner's Federation Board. There was a moderator from 203 as well as one from 204 (the 204 mod was from Brookdale). There were about 30 people in the room at the time. The information was definitely thrown out there if only in a folksy "this whole negotiation thing is a mess" mindset. I was surprised to say the least!
eagledad
« Reply #794 on Today at 6:36pm »
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Hmm, that is very interesting, thanks for sharing casey. What was the general mindset, were any tough questions asked?
FYI, $209/acre is the price listed in the site report for Macom it is also the middle of the three negitiation numbers you mentioned.
Very interesting indeed.