Where is the new HS going? - Part 2

[EagleDad]

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[fence]

I still have a major question on this. I understand that we can expect last minute negotiations for this business as it sounds like Macom just offered.

But from what I understand it, the board is voting up/down on Tuesday for AME. How will the new bid from Macom or any other changes in the situation be introduced into that vote? Or will the changes only be introduced if the board rejects AME as the site?

[EagleDad]

I believe the board gets to make a motion and vote on anthing they choose as a motion that is made and seconded. Dear goodness, I hope someone brings a copy of Robert's Rules of Order this time

So if they get there and there is new info they simply make a different motion - heck they could all vote to go out and get pizza and beer, but that probably won't happen.

[Arch]

I don't like seeing things about failures of similar aged 36" pipelines

ops.dot.gov/regions/southwest/2005/cpf_420051011H.htm

This is a corrective actions order regarding a May 2005 failure of an old line and resulting explosion.

"Section 60112, and the regulations promulgated thereunder, provide for the issuance of a Corrective Action Order without prior opportunity for notice and hearing upon a finding that a failure to issue the Order expeditiously will likely result in serious harm to life, property, or the environment. In such cases, an opportunity for a hearing will be provided as soon as practicable after the issuance of the Order.

After evaluating the foregoing preliminary findings of fact, I find that the continued operation of Respondent's Gulf Coast Mainline natural gas pipeline system without corrective measures will be hazardous to life, property, and the environment. Additionally, after considering the age of the pipe, the hazardousness of the product the pipeline transports, the pressure required for transporting the material, the proximity of the pipeline to populated areas, drinking water resources, and highways, and the ongoing investigation to determine the cause of the pipeline failure, I find that failure to expeditiously issue this Order requiring immediate corrective action would likely result in serious harm to life, property, or the environment.

Accordingly, this Corrective Action Order mandating immediate corrective action is issued without prior notice and opportunity for hearing. The terms and conditions of this Order are effective upon receipt."


.. I believe these diameter pipes are what is running next to the property (based on Reliant's documentation for the peaker plant north of there connecting to existing 36" natural gas pipelines) and are from around the same time period (just before 1970 or earlier). Being that the peaker plant went into operation around 1970, I would think the pipelines are that old.

Were they ever upgraded since then ?

[rj]

The 1st thing that needs to be determined is if the above mentioned pipeline was above or below ground.

[hillmom]

Eagledad - you are right on - anything can happen at the meeting with a new motion. Just like the last boundary meeting with the new plan being presented that night and voted on.

Thank you for reposting what you could salvage of the last thread! I was secretly hoping that the part about my shrill ranting was lost forever.

[Arch]

rj said:

The 1st thing that needs to be determined is if the above mentioned pipeline was above or below ground.

It seems that it is a problem with underground ones:

tinyurl.com/2xanzu


October 2007 Update

In the news...

* Pipe Dream (10/11/07) Almost 600,000 miles of high-pressure steel pipelines are monitored in the U.S. by oil and natural gas pipeline operators for corrosion-induced failures that can lead to leaks or explosions. Corrosion results from a pipeline generating a naturally occurring electrical charge. Cathodic protection can protect the pipelines through the placement of an anode near the pipeline through the soil and directly on the pipeline. A current with the opposite polarity to the natural charge halts corrosion as long as it is applied. A Congressional study estimated corrosion on large-diameter high-pressure pipelines costs U.S. operators $7 billion annually. Strict U.S. governmental regulations require all newly laid oil and natural gas pipelines to have cathodic protection. Although many existing pipelines had cathodic protection installed more than 50 years ago, the technology was primitive and requires corrosion monitoring on a regular basis. Preserving new pipeline with a protective outer coating requires an anode installation every 20 miles at a cost of approximately $1,000 per mile. Older pipeline needs a continuous anode that runs parallel to the pipeline and can cost as much as $75,000 per mile. Although retrofitting older pipeline to install anodic protection can be extremely expensive, the alternative - shutting down and replacing it - is even more expensive.
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Question on the floor: What has been done as far as safety goes with this pipeline that is running underneath the site?

[EagleDad]

hillmom said:

Eagledad - you are right on - anything can happen at the meeting with a new motion. Just like the last boundary meeting with the new plan being presented that night and voted on.

Yes, let's just hope that this time there is no "I make a motion to make you take your motion back" by the board president (in reference to JCs attempt to stop voting on the revised 5a). That was, uh, interesting.

[hillmom]

If I could figure out how to link to archwinsomes comment - I would but until then...I'd love to just make clear that the posting is about a different gas line - not the one on AME. The AME runs the east perimeter of the site where there will be no digging. Just playing fields - keep in mind this line runs the length of our district and even runs thru subdivisions. There are things that could be a factor in one area that would not be a factor in another region of the country. Ground shifting, clay content - use Texas as an example - no basements because of clay.

[EagleDad]

You can use the "quote" button on the top right of each quote to quote and reply to other poster's posting. Additionall there is a "Help" button on the top-menu of every page (These are hard to see). There is a 5 minute video walkthrough of how to post, reply and navigate.

[Arch]

hillmom said:

If I could figure out how to link to archwinsomes comment - I would but until then...I'd love to just make clear that the posting is about a different gas line - not the one on AME. The AME runs the east perimeter of the site where there will be no digging. Just playing fields - keep in mind this line runs the length of our district and even runs thru subdivisions. There are things that could be a factor in one area that would not be a factor in another region of the country. Ground shifting, clay content - use Texas as an example - no basements because of clay.

I fixed it with TINYURL.

AGE and CORROSION are a factor outside of geological placement. Purposeful penetration of the line is also a threat anywhere it is located.

[hillmom]

Beyond interesting - All eloquence went out the window there at the end.

[hillmom]

eagledad said:

You can use the "quote" button on the top right of each quote to quote and reply to other poster's posting. Additionall there is a "Help" button on the top-menu of every page (These are hard to see). There is a 5 minute video walkthrough of how to post, reply and navigate.

Thank You!

[hillmom]

archwinsome said:

hillmom said:

If I could figure out how to link to archwinsomes comment - I would but until then...I'd love to just make clear that the posting is about a different gas line - not the one on AME. The AME runs the east perimeter of the site where there will be no digging. Just playing fields - keep in mind this line runs the length of our district and even runs thru subdivisions. There are things that could be a factor in one area that would not be a factor in another region of the country. Ground shifting, clay content - use Texas as an example - no basements because of clay.

I fixed it with TINYURL.

AGE and CORROSION are a factor outside of geological placement. Purposeful penetration of the line is also a threat anywhere it is located.

Give me 24 hours - I may have access to someone that can talk to the maintenance of the line - MLK day may throw a wrench in it but I'll see what I can track down