Vote YES Door Hangers

[title1parent]

Are realtors exempt from placing signs in the parkway to entrances of subdivisions? I've seen some. I'd like to personally remove certain ones ....the investors taking over our neighborhood.

[Arch]

Last thing I'll add for this:

RE: Mailbox --

The statute deals with placing something *IN* the box. Attaching w/ a rubberband *TO* the box (handle or flag) is legal. This is why almost everyone does it this way. Attaching it *TO* the box in a way that does not impede the delivery of mail is OK. To impede the box opening honks off the postal carrier and gets in their way of doing their job. OPENING someone else's mailbox and granting yourself access to a place where PERSONAL INFORMATION gets deposited (credit card, bank statements, w2 information, insurance claims etc) is nowadays taken more seriously (Thank you IDENTITY THEFT). Take the free advice for what it is.

RE: Signs -- If someone has the proper permit from the city, it's legal.

[EagleDad]

Arch, give it up, you're splitting hairs and no one cares.

[kae]

stinks said:

The statute states, ". . . with intent to avoid payment of lawful postage."

In this case, there is no intent to avoid postage.

Stinks, since you're a lawyer, maybe you could provide us with a good example of how someone putting in a flier or advertisement might use the mailbox without an intent to avoid payment of lawful postage.

I think I could provide a very plain and simple one. One of my neighbors puts her drink (a Manhattan) in the mailbox while she mows her grass. I think her intent is pretty obvious. It's to keep grass, dirt, and bugs out of her refreshment while she's hard at work, and not to avoid paying postage.

I think it's harder to say that putting advertising, political bills or coupons in a mailbox does not have the intent to avoid paying postage. Even putting Stevie's birthday party announcement in the mailbox would qualify as an intent to avoid paying postage. While I certainly don't mind getting Stevie's birthday party announcement in my mail box, I do mind advertisements and fliers.

If you can put a stamp on it or put it in a box and put postage on it. It is mailable and putting it in a mailbox without postage would seem to imply an intent to avoid paying postage.

Topher is right, the argument is pretty useless since the post office doesn't appear to enforce this rule anyway so it doesn't really matter, but if you know something specific about intent then please tell us. Don't leave us in the dark. It does no good to say we don't understand intent, but then never explain yourself.

I personally despise the people and companies that use my door, my mailbox, and especially the handle of my garage door as a place for their advertisements (yes, even the park district does it). I think they should put a stamp on it and send it the way everyone else does. That way if my mail is stopped, the advertisements are stopped too and don't blow around the neighborhood creating trash. Remember that I didn't say Johny's birthday party annoucement, just advertisements; even if the post office doesn't seem to distinguish the two.

[admin]

End it please!!!

[kae]

admin said:

End it please!!!

Can't I still hear Stinks definition of intent?

[fence]

I think all he was saying was that they since the form of the information was a door hanger which is designed to be hand delivered to a door, and they clearly put it on doors around the neighborhood in most cases, it would be hard to say that they put it in a mailbox deliberately to avoid paying the postage, which is the basis for the law. Because it was not a piece meant to be mailed, it was a door hanger meant to be put on a door.

That's my understanding. Sorry Topher - just trying to answer the question!

[admin]

You can PM him.

[stinks]

fence said:

I think all he was saying was that they since the form of the information was a door hanger which is designed to be hand delivered to a door, and they clearly put it on doors around the neighborhood in most cases, it would be hard to say that they put it in a mailbox deliberately to avoid paying the postage, which is the basis for the law. Because it was not a piece meant to be mailed, it was a door hanger meant to be put on a door.

That's my understanding. Sorry Topher - just trying to answer the question!

Thx.