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Post by admin on Feb 21, 2006 21:46:20 GMT -6
So what is so wrong about having 3 3000 HS? If the we see a reduction to 8100 HS we can still put 3 HS at 90% capacity. Bradshaw said we would sell a middle school like Still instead of close WV.
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Post by forthekids on Feb 21, 2006 21:53:08 GMT -6
That seems to be the plan du jour for Dist 204. I would rather piece meal as we have been doing for years than overbuild with bricks instead of concentrating on dollars for a good education for ALL students. Buildings come and go, education lasts a lifetime. I beg to differ with you, buildings don't come and go, they can take you as far as a good education. A building (with proper upkeep) can last for years and will usually bring you more than a return on your investment if you ever have to sell it. |
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Post by charmant on Feb 21, 2006 22:11:59 GMT -6
That seems to be the plan du jour for Dist 204. I would rather piece meal as we have been doing for years than overbuild with bricks instead of concentrating on dollars for a good education for ALL students. Buildings come and go, education lasts a lifetime. I beg to differ with you, buildings don't come and go, they can take you as far as a good education. A building (with proper upkeep) can last for years and will usually bring you more than a return on your investment if you ever have to sell it. Buildings are built on to and knocked down for the 'next big thing' every day. That is what others on this board and SB members have 'proposed' to do with WV if the referendum were to pass and when the enrollment decreases, what the hey, just sell WV to others to tear down and build something new and pay down our over extended position, which I am sure would include a rebate to all past and current 204 homeowners ;D ;D. No, I don't believe in more bricks. Rather I believe in funneling referendum money into special programs for the kids. |
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Post by forthekids on Feb 21, 2006 22:14:52 GMT -6
I beg to differ with you, buildings don't come and go, they can take you as far as a good education. A building (with proper upkeep) can last for years and will usually bring you more than a return on your investment if you ever have to sell it. Buildings are built on to and knocked down for the 'next big thing' every day. That is what others on this board and SB members have 'proposed' to do with WV if the referendum were to pass and when the enrollment decreases, what the hey, just sell WV to others to tear down and build something new and pay down our over extended position, which I am sure would include a rebate to all past and current 204 homeowners ;D ;D. No, I don't believe in more bricks. Rather I believe in funneling referendum money into special programs for the kids. And where do you propose those special programs be held? There is no room in the buildings we currently have. And as far as WV, I haven't heard one mention of selling the building for others to tear down. If they were to sell the building, where or where would those 3000+ kids go. |
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Post by fence on Feb 21, 2006 22:19:12 GMT -6
That seems to be the plan du jour for Dist 204. I would rather piece meal as we have been doing for years than overbuild with bricks instead of concentrating on dollars for a good education for ALL students. Buildings come and go, education lasts a lifetime. Well then can you have my son's 6th grade reading teacher call me back? I've left him a bunch of messages and emailed him about how my A student son seems to have dropped two letter grades in one quarter, but the "education that lasts a lifetime" doesn't seem to feel the need to give a parent a call back to tell me what I might be able to do to help. Maybe you can get to the bottom of that one and get some money funneled to teachers so they can find the time to actually educate. |
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Post by Arch on Feb 21, 2006 22:22:36 GMT -6
You can see them in person before and after school. They also have email addresses.
You can also send notes in, the old fashioned way.
If one form of communication fails, try another.
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Post by fence on Feb 21, 2006 22:27:23 GMT -6
You can see them in person before and after school. They also have email addresses. You can also send notes in, the old fashioned way. If one form of communication fails, try another. Um yeah I realize that but thanks for that innovative advice. I have called, written, left messages on end, I have emailed, I have just asked for the team lead to help and the next step will be the principal. After my first email expressing my concern, asking to meet with him and asking what areas he thought were problems, he wrote back "your son will be bringing home an assignment report on friday." He didn't even bother to use punctuation. Just bringing that to the attention of those who say our teachers can do no wrong and our current system is working out swimmingly. I'm kind of hoping THAT form of education doesn't last a lifetime. |
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Post by charmant on Feb 21, 2006 22:28:55 GMT -6
Buildings are built on to and knocked down for the 'next big thing' every day. That is what others on this board and SB members have 'proposed' to do with WV if the referendum were to pass and when the enrollment decreases, what the hey, just sell WV to others to tear down and build something new and pay down our over extended position, which I am sure would include a rebate to all past and current 204 homeowners ;D ;D. No, I don't believe in more bricks. Rather I believe in funneling referendum money into special programs for the kids. And where do you propose those special programs be held? There is no room in the buildings we currently have. And as far as WV, I haven't heard one mention of selling the building for others to tear down. If they were to sell the building, where or where would those 3000+ kids go. There is no room....quote.......is purely subjective, which is what makes this referendum so difficult. There is no room...................explain why there are 850 empty seats ready to be filled in Dist 204?? If we are so overcrowded and we have hard working SB members, why haven't they looked at filling this building with the allegedly overcrowded students from other buildings?? Why have we not heard of any interim plans for this alleged overcrowded issue for the 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 school years??? Really, if they are doing their best job, why haven't these imminent plans been disclosed??? Sorry you haven't heard the idea of build a 3rd hs and then when enrollment dwindles and the SB can't afford to fund 3 hs, just 'sell of the old tired horse WV' and pay off the debt, again, which I am sure you would get your fair cut. |
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Post by charmant on Feb 21, 2006 22:36:58 GMT -6
That seems to be the plan du jour for Dist 204. I would rather piece meal as we have been doing for years than overbuild with bricks instead of concentrating on dollars for a good education for ALL students. Buildings come and go, education lasts a lifetime. Well then can you have my son's 6th grade reading teacher call me back? I've left him a bunch of messages and emailed him about how my A student son seems to have dropped two letter grades in one quarter, but the "education that lasts a lifetime" doesn't seem to feel the need to give a parent a call back to tell me what I might be able to do to help. Maybe you can get to the bottom of that one and get some money funneled to teachers so they can find the time to actually educate. Sorry for your troubles. Maybe you should call the principal if your are getting less than acceptable results. Or maybe meet the teacher in the teacher's lounge on HIS lunch break if that is what it takes. But you are making my point. funnel money into the kids, including funneling money into the teachers which is ultimately funneled down to the kids, attracting the good ones and getting rid of the bad is what is needed. |
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Post by stinks on Feb 21, 2006 22:39:36 GMT -6
And where do you propose those special programs be held? There is no room in the buildings we currently have. And as far as WV, I haven't heard one mention of selling the building for others to tear down. If they were to sell the building, where or where would those 3000+ kids go. There is no room....quote.......is purely subjective, which is what makes this referendum so difficult. There is no room...................explain why there are 850 empty seats ready to be filled in Dist 204?? If we are so overcrowded and we have hard working SB members, why haven't they looked at filling this building with the allegedly overcrowded students from other buildings?? Why have we not heard of any interim plans for this alleged overcrowded issue for the 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 school years??? Really, if they are doing their best job, why haven't these imminent plans been disclosed??? Sorry you haven't heard the idea of build a 3rd hs and then when enrollment dwindles and the SB can't afford to fund 3 hs, just 'sell of the old tired horse WV' and pay off the debt, again, which I am sure you would get your fair cut. I think we need that dead horse picture again. Because the poor animal is being beaten again. |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 21, 2006 23:10:58 GMT -6
the 850 empty seats reside at an elem school ( not fitted facility wise for a MS or HS environment ) - do you propse they put that money ( which they don;t have ) to somehow convert then convert back when the area builds up?
Also who gets bussed there ?
there are 850 empty seats there right now because the SB accepted the property as a donation if they built a school. Maybe they should have waited and turned down the land, and paid for property later as I can see some people everywhere just willing to spend money for that...
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Post by forthekids on Feb 22, 2006 6:49:04 GMT -6
And where do you propose those special programs be held? There is no room in the buildings we currently have. And as far as WV, I haven't heard one mention of selling the building for others to tear down. If they were to sell the building, where or where would those 3000+ kids go. There is no room....quote.......is purely subjective, which is what makes this referendum so difficult. There is no room...................explain why there are 850 empty seats ready to be filled in Dist 204?? If we are so overcrowded and we have hard working SB members, why haven't they looked at filling this building with the allegedly overcrowded students from other buildings?? Why have we not heard of any interim plans for this alleged overcrowded issue for the 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 school years??? Really, if they are doing their best job, why haven't these imminent plans been disclosed??? Sorry you haven't heard the idea of build a 3rd hs and then when enrollment dwindles and the SB can't afford to fund 3 hs, just 'sell of the old tired horse WV' and pay off the debt, again, which I am sure you would get your fair cut. You really don't get it do you? How long have you lived here? The school board tried to address the overcrowding situation last year but the referendum failed. Peterson is not the issue. That is an elementary school that will be filled, believe me, when they start building in that area. The issue is space at the high school level. The district can only look at the situation as students move into the area and more land is converted to homes. Nobody has a crystal ball and each SB has had to predict future enrollement to the best of their abilities and then rely on the community for their support. Nobody operates in a vacuum. Your statements really make no sense. You need to go back and read past posts. For the last time, we are overcrowded now but that situation is going to get much worse in the next few years. This is the situation the SB is trying to address and talking about 850 seats that are currently empty in an elementary school does not address the high school situation. |
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Post by gatormom on Feb 22, 2006 8:40:22 GMT -6
I think the SB has addressed whether or not the ES can be converted into a MS. I don't recall anything except not practical. Knowing the differences between the two types of schools, I think that might be an understatement.
I do not want to hear about the freshman centers being a mistake, I do not want to hear about plans that may or may not work, i.e. ES converted to a MS, and I certainly don't want to hear about property values and cost to the taxpayer; I have heard a lot about all of that and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions based on what I have heard, read, and seen. I want to know why the 3rd high school will be a mistake.
We all want what is best for our children and for the children to come. We want our SD to maintain its excellent standards and prepare our children for whatever comes after HS. That we agree on, what we don't agree on is the road needed to be taken.
Why would a 3rd high school be a mistake?
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Post by rew on Feb 22, 2006 8:51:44 GMT -6
There are 1100 homes platted for the Peterson ES area. Builders own those lots and the lots are not going to evaporate, or revert to farmland, or become the next outlet mall. They are going to be built on and the SD wants that ES there when that happens. There are expensive, upscale, homes being built in the WVHS attendance area. Ashwwod Park does not need NVHS to be successful.
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Post by fence on Feb 22, 2006 10:33:56 GMT -6
I think the SB has addressed whether or not the ES can be converted into a MS. I don't recall anything except not practical. Knowing the differences between the two types of schools, I think that might be an understatement. I do not want to hear about the freshman centers being a mistake, I do not want to hear about plans that may or may not work, i.e. ES converted to a MS, and I certainly don't want to hear about property values and cost to the taxpayer; I have heard a lot about all of that and am intelligent enough to make my own decisions based on what I have heard, read, and seen. I want to know why the 3rd high school will be a mistake. We all want what is best for our children and for the children to come. We want our SD to maintain its excellent standards and prepare our children for whatever comes after HS. That we agree on, what we don't agree on is the road needed to be taken. Why would a 3rd high school be a mistake? The logical, rational reason appears to be a question about how long the high enrollment will sustain and therefore, a short-term, more affordable solution may be a better solution to solve that type of problem, rather than a large investmet in something that may eventually become unnecessary. That position requires what is essentially a "guess" that the enrollment will eventually go down. I've heard alot of speculation but I haven't really seen hard evidence that this will be a bubble and not a boom. Other reasons would be that the information provided by the SB is not complete, and it is too hard for residents to evaluate the need when they are not provided with the data necessary. For example, the site evaluation, the operating budget projections, etc. The other reasons I've heard which I personally am not sure are based in logic are that people don't trust the SB for whatever reason, that someone is "on the take," that the costs associated with the school are not in line with fair market value, that some people are retirees that don't want to invest anymore in this district, that the boundaries are not fair, or that people are in such dire situations that they simply can't afford it. |
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