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Post by admin on Feb 23, 2006 8:25:20 GMT -6
These numbers are usedand determined by the state to find out if we actually have a crowding problem. IMO, there is way too much info in the worksheet that is unknown. Someone from the SB/Admin needs to better define it.
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Post by fence on Feb 23, 2006 8:44:58 GMT -6
The one difference that I noticed between the 204thekids website and the CFO website is that 204thekids has nothing to back up that letter and the figures they used. For example, where is the documentation that tells what the actual capacity of the school is? Where are the letters from the builders that tell what the capacity of the two high schools are? CFO has one letter posted on their board showing the capacity of the NVHS Gold Campus. Why doesn't the school board/district post those letters from STR or the builders for all the schools? That letter at 204thekids doesn't refute anything. It's just some email someone threw together because CFO posted the proof that the numbers given by the school aren't accurate. Yeah, but CFO only posted the part of a document so that it supported their position! I think its safe to say adios reality when you read either site. The Fr. centers were built as middle schools so I'm wondering if that have anything to do with the capacity confusion? Also, the capacity of the Fr. centers doesn't really matter since even if you could fit 1600 kids in the building, you couldn't have a Fr. class size that big. Also re. Elementary schools, the schools that run the special education programs will have capacity adjusted. I thought I heard a few of them serve as magnets for the area in housing those programs. |
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Post by blankcheck on Feb 23, 2006 9:07:10 GMT -6
Topher- I think it is pretty clear. Basically, they are saying that both freshman campuses are operating at 50% total capasity or if you use "optimal" capasity at figure of 1379 (85%), about 59%. Why are they reporting it that way?
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Post by Arch on Feb 23, 2006 9:13:42 GMT -6
The Fr. centers were built as middle schools so I'm wondering if that have anything to do with the capacity confusion? Also, the capacity of the Fr. centers doesn't really matter since even if you could fit 1600 kids in the building, you couldn't have a Fr. class size that big. I don't understand what you mean here. |
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Post by blankcheck on Feb 23, 2006 9:16:05 GMT -6
You tell me its crowded ok - then why does the district make it look like we have plenty of room? If you take it a step further to the elementary schools, based on operating at 85% capasity, many of those schools are operating a lot less. (Springbrook , Patterson, Cowlishaw, McCarty, Graham just to name a few) not to mention Peterson adds on another 722 students again operating at 85% capasity.
Fence- I am just using what the district put out there.
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Post by forthekids on Feb 23, 2006 9:24:55 GMT -6
You tell me its crowded ok - then why does the district make it look like we have plenty of room? If you take it a step further to the elementary schools, based on operating at 85% capasity, many of those schools are operating a lot less. (Springbrook , Patterson, Cowlishaw, McCarty, Graham just to name a few) not to mention Peterson adds on another 722 students again operating at 85% capasity. Fence- I am just using what the district put out there. Space at the elementary level does not translate to high school space. It's mixing apples & oranges. |
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Post by blankcheck on Feb 23, 2006 9:31:40 GMT -6
Sure it does - it shows that we have space coming down the road.
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Post by Arch on Feb 23, 2006 9:33:47 GMT -6
Sure it does - it shows that we have space coming down the road. Uh... it shows the KIDS coming down the road. Space itself does not transfer from 1 building to another. Each building has a finite capacity and space = Capacity - Students_attending. |
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Post by cantretirehere on Feb 23, 2006 9:39:33 GMT -6
"Students will be forced to attend split shifts 7 AM to Noon & 12:30 PM to 5:30 PM -THIS IS REALITY NOT A THREAT"
This is a quote from the VoteYes site. How can they make this claim? Where did they get the 7-noon and 12:30-5:30 times? I looked on the district web site and did not find these times posted anywhere. My kids did not bring home a flyer with this info. If someone knows where these times are posted can they please let me know? Has the board specifically said that ITRF we will do split shifts and this will be the schedule?
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Post by cantretirehere on Feb 23, 2006 9:46:51 GMT -6
"The result will be fewer elective classes, impacting college entrance requirements,..."
This is a quote from the VoteYes site. Are they implying that the school district will not offer classes that are REQUIRED to get into college? Wouldn't a HS have to offer the classes that colleges REQUIRE for entrance? If, by law, HSs don't have to offer courses that are required by colleges for admission, then the district has us over a barrel. I have just changed my vote to YES. We can't let this happen. I didn't know that courses for college admission REQUIREMENTS were going to be impacted!!!!!! I must vote YES if this true!!!!!
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Post by fence on Feb 23, 2006 9:48:53 GMT -6
"Students will be forced to attend split shifts 7 AM to Noon & 12:30 PM to 5:30 PM -THIS IS REALITY NOT A THREAT" This is a quote from the VoteYes site. How can they make this claim? Where did they get the 7-noon and 12:30-5:30 times? I looked on the district web site and did not find these times posted anywhere. My kids did not bring home a flyer with this info. If someone knows where these times are posted can they please let me know? Has the board specifically said that ITRF we will do split shifts and this will be the schedule? From ipsd.org and also published in the Sun or Herald when the boundary discussions were in full swing: "Q: What if the March 21 Referendum Doesn't Pass? A: Should no new classroom space be available, boundary changes will be required to balance enrollment beginning in 2007. In addition to boundary changes, split shifts will be implemented at both high schools in 2009. Split shifts will divide the school day into two shifts. Some students will attend high school from 7:00 am to Noon and others will attend from 12:30 to 5:30 pm. Because class time is reduced with split shifts, students will take fewer electives. In the middle schools, class size will increase and more classes will be held in non-traditional classroom space (PE and music in hallways, etc.)." |
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Post by cantretirehere on Feb 23, 2006 9:49:49 GMT -6
I noticed that they have removed their "Facts and Figures" page. I personally loved that page because all it did was show the viewer how to put an X in the "Yes" box. Now that I have changed my Vote to YES, I went there so I could see how to do it properly and it was gone. Not sure I'll be able to do it correctly now.
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Post by cantretirehere on Feb 23, 2006 9:51:32 GMT -6
"Students will be forced to attend split shifts 7 AM to Noon & 12:30 PM to 5:30 PM -THIS IS REALITY NOT A THREAT" This is a quote from the VoteYes site. How can they make this claim? Where did they get the 7-noon and 12:30-5:30 times? I looked on the district web site and did not find these times posted anywhere. My kids did not bring home a flyer with this info. If someone knows where these times are posted can they please let me know? Has the board specifically said that ITRF we will do split shifts and this will be the schedule? From ipsd.org and also published in the Sun or Herald when the boundary discussions were in full swing: "Q: What if the March 21 Referendum Doesn't Pass? A: Should no new classroom space be available, boundary changes will be required to balance enrollment beginning in 2007. In addition to boundary changes, split shifts will be implemented at both high schools in 2009. Split shifts will divide the school day into two shifts. Some students will attend high school from 7:00 am to Noon and others will attend from 12:30 to 5:30 pm. Because class time is reduced with split shifts, students will take fewer electives. In the middle schools, class size will increase and more classes will be held in non-traditional classroom space (PE and music in hallways, etc.)." But it is no longer on the ipsd.org site. At least I can't find it. Does that mean it is no longer true? If it is still there can you give me the exact page? |
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Post by fence on Feb 23, 2006 9:53:03 GMT -6
The Fr. centers were built as middle schools so I'm wondering if that have anything to do with the capacity confusion? Also, the capacity of the Fr. centers doesn't really matter since even if you could fit 1600 kids in the building, you couldn't have a Fr. class size that big. I don't understand what you mean here. I was just saying that in terms of Fr. Center capacity if one uses 1600 as capacity in the Fr. Centers (or whatever number one wants to use), that number needs to be able to reasonably feed into a main campus at some point in time. Even if the capacity at the Fr. Campuses was 1200, 3600 students then have to fit in the main. If 1600 students were in the Fr. Campus, 1600x3 would need to fit in the main. So I guess my point is that to some extent, the capacity of the Fr. Center doesn't matter, unless there are plans to use the Fr. Center for students that are not freshman. Does that make sense? |
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Post by fence on Feb 23, 2006 9:53:55 GMT -6
From ipsd.org and also published in the Sun or Herald when the boundary discussions were in full swing: "Q: What if the March 21 Referendum Doesn't Pass? A: Should no new classroom space be available, boundary changes will be required to balance enrollment beginning in 2007. In addition to boundary changes, split shifts will be implemented at both high schools in 2009. Split shifts will divide the school day into two shifts. Some students will attend high school from 7:00 am to Noon and others will attend from 12:30 to 5:30 pm. Because class time is reduced with split shifts, students will take fewer electives. In the middle schools, class size will increase and more classes will be held in non-traditional classroom space (PE and music in hallways, etc.)." But it is no longer on the ipsd.org site. At least I can't find it. Does that mean it is no longer true? If it is still there can you give me the exact page? Here's the link. Its on the FAQ page, under questions from January 2006. I think that's when they announced it. |
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