Illinois PTA Resolution on Electric Fields

[JB]

momto4 said:

archwinsome said:

"Or, MV will be 1/2 mile from my house in 2009!"

Runner up, "Karma!"

Y'know arch, this is insulting. Some of us would be thrilled to have the school opening asap whether or not it's near our house. As I would be now if we had broken ground at BB right after the verdict. Or if we had gotten QT and started building months earlier. It's really not fair to lump everyone who is now getting a closer HS into this category because we were for the new HS when it was in another location as well.

With kids in HS now and for years to come, I am anxious for the building to begin!

I think he was responding to rurals last two posts.....

I'd love this stay on track.

[Arch]

momto4 said:

archwinsome said:

"Or, MV will be 1/2 mile from my house in 2009!"

Runner up, "Karma!"

Y'know arch, this is insulting. Some of us would be thrilled to have the school opening asap whether or not it's near our house. As I would be now if we had broken ground at BB right after the verdict. Or if we had gotten QT and started building months earlier. It's really not fair to lump everyone who is now getting a closer HS into this category because we were for the new HS when it was in another location as well.

With kids in HS now and for years to come, I am anxious for the building to begin!

Feel insulted if you wish to, but it was not directed at you. It was for rural who has said previously they live within 1/2 mile of the site and has repeatedly said that it's all safe. He must have more 'facts' than the Administration does because even they do not have all the documentation in house to make that determination. They are, instead, making an assumption. As facts and documentation gets discovered it's immediately shot down (with no facts) as not being a problem. There are only a small number of reasons why that would be so.

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

Feel insulted if you wish to, but it was not directed at you. It was for rural who has said previously they live within 1/2 mile of the site and has repeatedly said that it's all safe. He must have more 'facts' than the Administration does because even they do not have all the documentation in house to make that determination. They are, instead, making an assumption. As facts and documentation gets discovered it's immediately shot down (with no facts) as not being a problem. There are only a small number of reasons why that would be so.

you make it sound like information is being hidden - I'm not sure that's fair - perhaps instead of posting each individual test result on a daily basis, they are putting together a comprehensive document - just a guess

I certainly don't think that if there's an issue, that they will try to hide it or not address it - the SB members are 204 parents, too, some with kids going to MV

[we4]

jb said:

I tried google mapping NVHS, since there are lines there too. , and I wanted to look at the size/distance fromthe school. Then I looked at the MWGEN site, and those look considerably larger. Does anyone (Arch, probably) know what voltage these lines are? What about the ones at NVHS?

I also looked at the maps and compared NV and MWGEN. I never realized NV seems just as close to the power lines and the spot of MV. Also, the freshman center is even closer to the power lines. Looking at gmaps-pedometer, the freshman center is less than 0.2 miles from the power lines.

arg....why can't I insert a map.

[Arch]

jb said:

I tried google mapping NVHS, since there are lines there too. , and I wanted to look at the size/distance fromthe school. Then I looked at the MWGEN site, and those look considerably larger. Does anyone (Arch, probably) know what voltage these lines are? What about the ones at NVHS?

From the 2006 PJM (Load, capacity and transmission report) I see 230kV, 870MVA for MWGEN. I'll dig through my things and find specifics for each line because I believe each edge of the property was different plus they did some upgrades to the substation last year. I'll try to sort through and post them.


In an unrelated note, apparently ComEd filed an appeal for their 2003 property taxes for the land just to the north where the transmission towers are ( 20 parcels), stating that the 107 acres they own for the lines should have been valued at $47,640 for ALL 107 acres ($445 / acre) Page 2 www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2008/2ndDistrict/January/2060338.pdf

How much are we paying for the neighboring land?

[Arch]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

Feel insulted if you wish to, but it was not directed at you. It was for rural who has said previously they live within 1/2 mile of the site and has repeatedly said that it's all safe. He must have more 'facts' than the Administration does because even they do not have all the documentation in house to make that determination. They are, instead, making an assumption. As facts and documentation gets discovered it's immediately shot down (with no facts) as not being a problem. There are only a small number of reasons why that would be so.

you make it sound like information is being hidden - I'm not sure that's fair - perhaps instead of posting each individual test result on a daily basis, they are putting together a comprehensive document - just a guess

I certainly don't think that if there's an issue, that they will try to hide it or not address it - the SB members are 204 parents, too, some with kids going to MV

I said they do not have the data. I asked them for Phase1 detail report: "We don't have it, we're waiting on our FOIA to be filled" How about the Phase2 results: "We don't have it"

[wvhsparent]

we4 said:

Question: Arch posted a link for a map that show where pipelines run around the AME property. It looks like some run through the middle of the property. If those lines really run through the middle of where the school will be, would they need to be moved?

They are to the east of where the actual building is going. they will have the football field/parking lot over them.

[momto4]

(back on topic here)

I believe that our SB and admin care about children and specifically about students in our district and if they believed there to be actual safety issues with the site beyond perception that they would not build there.

If they truly believed there was some risk to children, then why would they be moving forward with this site?

It would be interesting to see the site data on EMFs and compare that to our other schools and to averages in homes and offices.

[jwh]

we4 said:

jb said:

I tried google mapping NVHS, since there are lines there too. , and I wanted to look at the size/distance fromthe school. Then I looked at the MWGEN site, and those look considerably larger. Does anyone (Arch, probably) know what voltage these lines are? What about the ones at NVHS?

I also looked at the maps and compared NV and MWGEN. I never realized NV seems just as close to the power lines and the spot of MV. Also, the freshman center is even closer to the power lines. Looking at gmaps-pedometer, the freshman center is less than 0.2 miles from the power lines.

arg....why can't I insert a map.

Oh NO! We'll just have to bulldoze NV.

[we4]

wvhsparent said:

we4 said:

Question: Arch posted a link for a map that show where pipelines run around the AME property. It looks like some run through the middle of the property. If those lines really run through the middle of where the school will be, would they need to be moved?

They are to the east of where the actual building is going. they will have the football field/parking lot over them.

Thanks. The reason I am asking all these questions even though WE would not go the the hs, I just don't have a good feeling that the sb has thought/knows about some of the things that I have read on this board. I am nervous that as issues come up, it is just going to add to the total cost. I hope that I am wrong and I am not giving the sb enough credit.

But we will see......

[Arch]

momto4 said:

(back on topic here)

I believe that our SB and admin care about children and specifically about students in our district and if they believed there to be actual safety issues with the site beyond perception that they would not build there.

If they truly believed there was some risk to children, then why would they be moving forward with this site?

It would be interesting to see the site data on EMFs and compare that to our other schools and to averages in homes and offices.

I believe their problem right now is LACK OF DATA to make an informed decision, not malicious intent to harm people's kids.

Proceeding with making an uninformed decision is neglect, not malice.

[we4]

jwh said:

we4 said:

I also looked at the maps and compared NV and MWGEN. I never realized NV seems just as close to the power lines and the spot of MV. Also, the freshman center is even closer to the power lines. Looking at gmaps-pedometer, the freshman center is less than 0.2 miles from the power lines.

arg....why can't I insert a map.

Oh NO! We'll just have to bulldoze NV.

I think that was sarcasm.

I was just trying to put some things in perspective. The lines behind NV just don't seem as close because of buildings, etc as the ones at MWGEN as seen from Eola, but may be the same distance.

[wvhsparent]

eagledad said:

rural said:

I have been trying to bite my tongue while reading this thread. I've been holding back because I was afraid I might post some remarks that would get ED mad and kick me off. So, I will try to be restrained.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? 8 hours a day? 5 days a week?
Yes, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week in a CONCRETE BUILDING! The only EMFs are going to be coming from the stuff inside, not outside. Please be sensible!

rural, are you stating that concrete (or brick) is a barrier of elecromagnetic fields?

If so, better throw away your cell phones when inside a building.

Part of that comes from today's construction methods. It will most likely be a steel shell with rebar(steel) reinforced concrete.
Metal studs for the interior walls
These kinds of buildings sort of act like a Faraday cage. (which does block radio frequencies, which are forms of EMFs)
My office is that way....I call it my Nextel-free zone.......

[wvhsparent]

we4 said:

jb said:

I tried google mapping NVHS, since there are lines there too. , and I wanted to look at the size/distance fromthe school. Then I looked at the MWGEN site, and those look considerably larger. Does anyone (Arch, probably) know what voltage these lines are? What about the ones at NVHS?

I also looked at the maps and compared NV and MWGEN. I never realized NV seems just as close to the power lines and the spot of MV. Also, the freshman center is even closer to the power lines. Looking at gmaps-pedometer, the freshman center is less than 0.2 miles from the power lines.

arg....why can't I insert a map.

Anyone got EMF readings from there (NVHS) too?

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

I said they do not have the data. I asked them for Phase1 detail report: "We don't have it, we're waiting on our FOIA to be filled" How about the Phase2 results: "We don't have it"

I see - I want to see the detailed test results, too