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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 12:23:56 GMT -6
I see you avoided the different hypothesis on the issue. From some of the things being said by kids ( repeating stuff from home no doubt) - there is likely as much truth to this as what you proposed. Doesn't feel so good coming back though does it ? Would also explain the no vote..and the sudden concern for overcrowding. Was overcrowding not going to be an issue if the majority would have voted no as they did ? Tell me where the logic doesn't work ? Explain to me otherwise the sudden awakening, and concern from these areas that my child might be in crowded conditions ? and much like you told Proschool- sorry you don't like the answer. I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say here. It's really very simple: we have one group openly stating that there is an area fighting the AME site because they do not want to go to WVHS. I am saying it is just as easy to make a case the other way. We now have a group that consists of some areas that voted heavily NO for a 3rd HS. Today they are all gung ho for the site at AME? Why the change? A moment of enlightenment- I doubt it. Let's turn this discussion around as I believe there is also a group that wants this new HS so badly - and does not want to return to WVHS. I have heard this in comments brought home made by school kids likely repeating what they hear at home. I also heard first hand comments made by parents at the time of the last vote. I see this as a reason to suddenly change gears completely. what part of the comparison between what you are saying the nsfoc is trying to scuttle the 3rd high school- and areas voting heaving NO for a 3rd high school- that the end result of either could very well be ( have been) no 3rd school - do I need to explain more clearly ? just as easily ( in fact more so since one was a formal vote - something others will not get the chance on for the site) - can one make a case for the 'silent majority' - heavily Brooks- Brookdale ( especially by those sending most of the emails around) - is fighting just as hard to not lose 'their' school, as they claim others are fighting not to lose NV. the collateral damage is to those who do not a 'my school' in their backyard I am sorry but you can't point the finger at one and ignore the other. There are plenty of reasons to fight the current selection as you have been given - with safety #1 . Long term cost is another / can we even afford it today with all of the law suits hanging over our heads another / locations vs. who the school will serve - take your pick. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 12:34:38 GMT -6
I see you avoided the different hypothesis on the issue. From some of the things being said by kids ( repeating stuff from home no doubt) - there is likely as much truth to this as what you proposed. Doesn't feel so good coming back though does it ? Would also explain the no vote..and the sudden concern for overcrowding. Was overcrowding not going to be an issue if the majority would have voted no as they did ? Tell me where the logic doesn't work ? Explain to me otherwise the sudden awakening, and concern from these areas that my child might be in crowded conditions ? and much like you told Proschool- sorry you don't like the answer. I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I am not worried about what the kids are saying. It's not that I don't like the answer, I guess I have yet to hear it. All I hear is complaining. then you're not listening. why did areas who voted heavily NO now support this site to the nth degree ? What changed since now it's all about the overcrowding ? the site/boundaries - that's what. |
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Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 12:39:56 GMT -6
OK much clearer now. Thank you.
Put me in the camp that wants the school built. I am not in that area that voted no, I would be happy for my kids to still go to WVHS too.
I have not heard those kids claiming not want to go to WVHS either.
I think AME will be safe.
I wish all the lawsuits would go away. I don't think most will amount to anything and the - The BB costs one - will not be as large as it's being made out to be.
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Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 12:41:54 GMT -6
I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I am not worried about what the kids are saying. It's not that I don't like the answer, I guess I have yet to hear it. All I hear is complaining. then you're not listening. why did areas who voted heavily NO now support this site to the nth degree ? What changed since now it's all about the overcrowding ? the site/boundaries - that's what. I suppose. I still know several in that area that still want them just to add onto NVHS, and think we don't need the 3rd HS. I am not one of those. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 9, 2008 12:46:30 GMT -6
OK much clearer now. Thank you. Put me in the camp that wants the school built. I am not in that area that voted no, I would be happy for my kids to still go to WVHS too. I have not heard those kids claiming not want to go to WVHS either. I think AME will be safe. I wish all the lawsuits would go away. I don't think most will amount to anything and the - The BB costs one - will not be as large as it's being made out to be. I hear that arguement. And to be honest I can not argue it. The problem is we do not know. And our current track record is not exactly hmmmm... stellar. So, saying I do not think it will be so bad is the same as those pople who say it will be 40M judgement. It is all so much sand being tossed around. Facts my friend.. We are in short supply of them.. Edit: Who is telling you it won't be so bad? Are you on the board's secret communication list? Like the one that got a northern PTA member to send out the slander about the State Senator. Sorry could not resit. As you say, misinformation all around. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 13:21:38 GMT -6
then you're not listening. why did areas who voted heavily NO now support this site to the nth degree ? What changed since now it's all about the overcrowding ? the site/boundaries - that's what. I suppose. I still know several in that area that still want them just to add onto NVHS, and think we don't need the 3rd HS. I am not one of those. there are some of those in each area-- I have heard the quote the SD got a few years ago to add 600 capacity to NV main building and fix the hallway situation brought up more than a few times lately. The more the new projection of 8900+ a few vs 10,400 gets around, I suppose we'll hear it more. |
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Post by slp on Apr 9, 2008 13:37:19 GMT -6
It's the opinion of a lot of people. The dangers of PCBS, EMF's, Railroads, gaslines, crude oil supply lines, deisel oil etc have been dicussed way before the Eola site was chosen. You have seen that documented. The proponents of the Eola site are always attacking the critics but never debating the real issues. That is a classic sign that even they know that they don't have a real arguement. You mean the REAL issues that certain areas don't want to go to WVHS? and would rather just kill the whole 3rd HS than relieve the overcrowding? That issue? Because all the other issues have been addressed. ok, we know one of those areas is clearly Brookdale. What's the other? |
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 9, 2008 13:41:29 GMT -6
I suppose. I still know several in that area that still want them just to add onto NVHS, and think we don't need the 3rd HS. I am not one of those. there are some of those in each area-- I have heard the quote the SD got a few years ago to add 600 capacity to NV main building and fix the hallway situation brought up more than a few times lately. The more the new projection of 8900+ a few vs 10,400 gets around, I suppose we'll hear it more. Is the 8900 projection somehting that has been released by the board/admin? If that is.. It is a very troubling number. GD who always does excellent calculations has a number that is much larger than that. If this is real data, we should probably get it over to him on green and see what he makes of it. |
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Post by slp on Apr 9, 2008 13:42:17 GMT -6
I am so sick and tired of people claiming that certain (ok we all know they mean TG and WE) groups do not want to attend WVHS. That is simply not true.
Most people who are upset who may not necessarily have joined a group (or maybe they did; I don't know) are upset with the way the school board has handled this entire 3rd high school issue. You add on top of that the pending lawsuits from BB and the remediation issues at Eola and the fact that MM said many times we could afford worst case scenario with BB.....that is WHY people are upset....NOT because they are going to WVHS.
I have had enough of those types of comments. While I am sure there are a small minority who don't want to attend WVHS and will most likely sell their homes as a result, most people are fine with attending any district 204 school.
It seems to me that the ones who desperately wanted OUT of WVHS were the orange shirt wearing Brookdale folks. And now these same folks sit on their perch and claim folks in TG and WE don't want to attend WVHS. What hypocrits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 9, 2008 13:49:14 GMT -6
It seems to me that the ones who desperately wanted OUT of WVHS were the orange shirt wearing Brookdale folks. And now these same folks sit on their perch and claim folks in TG and WE don't want to attend WVHS. What hypocrits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone was asking me recently why I dislike NSFOC-Fraud so much. It is for this very reason. The hypocricy is mind boggling. the fact they have been able to pull this sham and self righteous BS off for this long amazes me. If anyone is wondering why I am being less of a centrist. This is one of the primary reasons. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 9, 2008 14:08:17 GMT -6
Someone was asking me recently why I dislike NSFOC-Fraud so much. It is for this very reason. The hypocricy is mind boggling. the fact they have been able to pull this sham and self righteous BS off for this long amazes me. Just because it's said loud, often and with intimidation does not mean people are believing it. |
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Post by macy on Apr 9, 2008 14:19:56 GMT -6
I am so sick and tired of people claiming that certain (ok we all know they mean TG and WE) groups do not want to attend WVHS. That is simply not true. Most people who are upset who may not necessarily have joined a group (or maybe they did; I don't know) are upset with the way the school board has handled this entire 3rd high school issue. You add on top of that the pending lawsuits from BB and the remediation issues at Eola and the fact that MM said many times we could afford worst case scenario with BB.....that is WHY people are upset....NOT because they are going to WVHS. I have had enough of those types of comments. While I am sure there are a small minority who don't want to attend WVHS and will most likely sell their homes as a result, most people are fine with attending any district 204 school. It seems to me that the ones who desperately wanted OUT of WVHS were the orange shirt wearing Brookdale folks. And now these same folks sit on their perch and claim folks in TG and WE don't want to attend WVHS. What hypocrits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slp, I'm getting very disgusted as well with the rhetoric against those of us that are upset with the way in which the School Board has handled the situation and the impact on entire neighborhoods. Take for example this post (and response) I pulled off the Sun Blog. It makes me sick to read this nonsense. Seems some think it is okay to threaten innocent children. This stuff makes me sick. I blame the school board for this division. Read for yourselves: By nincompoop on April 9, 2008 11:19 AM
By Spoiled Tall Grass Brats on April 9, 2008 9:57 AM
The school board tried everything in their power to get BB. They couldn't get it. It didn't work out for your neighborhood so quit being spoiled brats and turning everyone against each other. Everybody knows what NSFOC (Tall Grass Snobs) is really about. I am 100% sure that if TG was allowed to go to NV 100% of the issues would be dropped along with the lawsuit. Your kids are going to be hated by other students when they go to Waubonsie because of your actions. There is going to be a huge price to pay by your kids as the Waubomsie students know how much you detest the thought of your kids going to school with the "lower class" people from Waubonsie. Your actions are low class.
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My child is only 11 years old and a future student of Waubonsie Valley. Despite the fact he has nothing to do with this situation and is entirely too young to understand what is going on, you state that "Your kids are going to be hated by other students when they go to Waubonsie because of your actions."
What kind of parent are you that you can post such a hateful statement? What are you teaching your children? What is the "huge price" my 11 year old will have to pay when he gets to Waubonsie?
Threatening children is disgusting. Leave the kids out of it.
Despite the fact that you and I may have a disagreement, I would NEVER stoop to such a level to even think about taking it out on a child.
I don't think of anyone in this district as "low class" either. Well, except for maybe you. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 14:25:03 GMT -6
I am so sick and tired of people claiming that certain (ok we all know they mean TG and WE) groups do not want to attend WVHS. That is simply not true. Most people who are upset who may not necessarily have joined a group (or maybe they did; I don't know) are upset with the way the school board has handled this entire 3rd high school issue. You add on top of that the pending lawsuits from BB and the remediation issues at Eola and the fact that MM said many times we could afford worst case scenario with BB.....that is WHY people are upset....NOT because they are going to WVHS. I have had enough of those types of comments. While I am sure there are a small minority who don't want to attend WVHS and will most likely sell their homes as a result, most people are fine with attending any district 204 school. It seems to me that the ones who desperately wanted OUT of WVHS were the orange shirt wearing Brookdale folks. And now these same folks sit on their perch and claim folks in TG and WE don't want to attend WVHS. What hypocrits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slp, I'm getting very disgusted as well with the rhetoric against those of us that are upset with the way in which the School Board has handled the situation and the impact on entire neighborhoods. Take for example this post (and response) I pulled off the Sun Blog. It makes me sick to read this nonsense. Seems some think it is okay to threaten innocent children. This stuff makes me sick. I blame the school board for this division. Read for yourselves: By nincompoop on April 9, 2008 11:19 AM
By Spoiled Tall Grass Brats on April 9, 2008 9:57 AM
The school board tried everything in their power to get BB. They couldn't get it. It didn't work out for your neighborhood so quit being spoiled brats and turning everyone against each other. Everybody knows what NSFOC (Tall Grass Snobs) is really about. I am 100% sure that if TG was allowed to go to NV 100% of the issues would be dropped along with the lawsuit. Your kids are going to be hated by other students when they go to Waubonsie because of your actions. There is going to be a huge price to pay by your kids as the Waubomsie students know how much you detest the thought of your kids going to school with the "lower class" people from Waubonsie. Your actions are low class.
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My child is only 11 years old and a future student of Waubonsie Valley. Despite the fact he has nothing to do with this situation and is entirely too young to understand what is going on, you state that "Your kids are going to be hated by other students when they go to Waubonsie because of your actions."
What kind of parent are you that you can post such a hateful statement? What are you teaching your children? What is the "huge price" my 11 year old will have to pay when he gets to Waubonsie?
Threatening children is disgusting. Leave the kids out of it.
Despite the fact that you and I may have a disagreement, I would NEVER stoop to such a level to even think about taking it out on a child.
I don't think of anyone in this district as "low class" either. Well, except for maybe you. the de- evolvement of our area is truly troubling. Threatening kids is about as low as one can get.... and this person had the nerve to downplay another area |
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Post by sushi on Apr 9, 2008 15:17:03 GMT -6
I didn't see that as a threat as much as an opinion of the writer. I do think this will have repercussions for our kids; hopefully shortlived. There is no way, as many on this board have stated, that the kids don't know what's going on. Prejudice of any kind begins at home, whether its against a group, a race, a school, whatever.
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Post by concerned2 on Apr 9, 2008 15:20:19 GMT -6
Sushi, what does it take to get you see things for what they are. That was a threat directed at children. I really try and ignore your ignorance, but this one is too far. By the way the Sun deleted that post. Wonder why?
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