|
|
Post by Arch on Apr 9, 2008 10:11:12 GMT -6
Arch: I'm concerned about your comment that TCE was used at the peaker plant. TCE is generally used as an industrial solvent and I can't imagine why the peaker plant would use it in any large quantity. I do understand why Lockformer would have used it. I'm not questioning your accuracy, just trying to better understand the comment. TCE is highly volatile - absent a spill, most of it would evaporate. If it was spilled, it generally does not migrate in the ground, unless it comes in contact with groundwater, in which case it can migrate great distances -- I believe that is what happened at the Lockformer site. If it is contained, it can be farily easily remediated. (edit: removed the question about pcbs as the Tribune article answered it for me.) Read the waste procedures here and see the chemical for yourself. Cleaning the turbines was a dirty job from the soot buildup... winsome.cnchost.com/peaker/EJ-waste-oil-proceedures.pdf |
|
|
|
Post by d204mom on Apr 9, 2008 10:46:22 GMT -6
I have another question: the Sun article indicated that EMF levels were less than background. How is that possible? If there were no lines, whatever the emf level was woould be background levels. Are we to believe that the power lines reduced the emf levels? How else can it be less than background? That's ridiculous. As someone else pointed out, the background they are using is a house with TVs, computers, microwaves, wires, you name it. Not an open field. Add all of the EMF crap in the school after it's built plus the power lines and you have an accurate picture of total exposure. |
|
|
|
Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 11:12:40 GMT -6
" " In my opinion, these two serious environmental problems disqualify the Eola-Molitor property as a safe site for a school," Collins said." Yes, in his paid opinion as attorney representing a group trying to get the site moved. It's the opinion of a lot of people. The dangers of PCBS, EMF's, Railroads, gaslines, crude oil supply lines, deisel oil etc have been dicussed way before the Eola site was chosen. You have seen that documented. The proponents of the Eola site are always attacking the critics but never debating the real issues. That is a classic sign that even they know that they don't have a real arguement. You mean the REAL issues that certain areas don't want to go to WVHS? and would rather just kill the whole 3rd HS than relieve the overcrowding? That issue? Because all the other issues have been addressed. |
|
|
|
Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 11:15:35 GMT -6
I have another question: the Sun article indicated that EMF levels were less than background. How is that possible? If there were no lines, whatever the emf level was woould be background levels. Are we to believe that the power lines reduced the emf levels? How else can it be less than background? That's ridiculous. As someone else pointed out, the background they are using is a house with TVs, computers, microwaves, wires, you name it. Not an open field. Add all of the EMF crap in the school after it's built plus the power lines and you have an accurate picture of total exposure. which would be on the same level as the 2 existing HSs. |
|
|
|
Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 11:17:38 GMT -6
It's the opinion of a lot of people. The dangers of PCBS, EMF's, Railroads, gaslines, crude oil supply lines, deisel oil etc have been dicussed way before the Eola site was chosen. You have seen that documented. The proponents of the Eola site are always attacking the critics but never debating the real issues. That is a classic sign that even they know that they don't have a real arguement. You mean the REAL issues that certain areas don't want to go to WVHS? and would rather just kill the whole 3rd HS than relieve the overcrowding? That issue? Because all the other issues have been addressed. all the other issues have been addressed ? Please stop yourself.... and the last I looked a whole lot of people still sitting down at the SB meeting Monday when JS started cheer leading were from areas that would love to go to WVHS - not that there are many that wouldn't. Seems to me some may be afraid they might go back there ? Could that be the case ? Maybe that is the REAL issue behind this support for AME and the NO vote. And as far as trying to kill the 3rd HS -- wouldn't that have happened if more people voted NO like a certain few areas now on the MWGEN bandwagon ? Seems the shoe fits - just a different foot As for WVHS - sign me up tomorrow...so that tag doesn't stick here... |
|
|
|
Post by d204mom on Apr 9, 2008 11:23:43 GMT -6
It's the opinion of a lot of people. The dangers of PCBS, EMF's, Railroads, gaslines, crude oil supply lines, deisel oil etc have been dicussed way before the Eola site was chosen. You have seen that documented. The proponents of the Eola site are always attacking the critics but never debating the real issues. That is a classic sign that even they know that they don't have a real arguement. You mean the REAL issues that certain areas don't want to go to WVHS? and would rather just kill the whole 3rd HS than relieve the overcrowding? That issue? Because all the other issues have been addressed. You've got it backwards, Metea is the school nobody wants. |
|
|
|
Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 11:25:49 GMT -6
You mean the REAL issues that certain areas don't want to go to WVHS? and would rather just kill the whole 3rd HS than relieve the overcrowding? That issue? Because all the other issues have been addressed. all the other issues have been addressed ? Please stop yourself.... and the last I looked a whole lot of people still sitting down at the SB meeting Monday when JS started cheer leading were from areas that would love to go to WVHS - not that there are many that wouldn't. Seems to me some may be afraid they might go back there ? Could that be the case ? Maybe that is the REAL issue behind this support for AME and the NO vote. And as far as trying to kill the 3rd HS -- wouldn't that have happened if more people voted NO like a certain few areas now on the MWGEN bandwagon ? Seems the shoe fits - just a different foot As for WVHS - sign me up tomorrow...so that tag doesn't stick here... thank you for playing... I know you would love to go to WVHS. Now back to the rest. Proschool what other issues are you talking about? All the issues are out in the open and being dealt with. Sorry you don't like the answer. |
|
|
|
Post by d204mom on Apr 9, 2008 11:26:08 GMT -6
As someone else pointed out, the background they are using is a house with TVs, computers, microwaves, wires, you name it. Not an open field. Add all of the EMF crap in the school after it's built plus the power lines and you have an accurate picture of total exposure. which would be on the same level as the 2 existing HSs. Please share the readings from the open fields at WV and NV before the schools were built. It would be a good comparison. |
|
|
|
Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 11:35:13 GMT -6
all the other issues have been addressed ? Please stop yourself.... and the last I looked a whole lot of people still sitting down at the SB meeting Monday when JS started cheer leading were from areas that would love to go to WVHS - not that there are many that wouldn't. Seems to me some may be afraid they might go back there ? Could that be the case ? Maybe that is the REAL issue behind this support for AME and the NO vote. And as far as trying to kill the 3rd HS -- wouldn't that have happened if more people voted NO like a certain few areas now on the MWGEN bandwagon ? Seems the shoe fits - just a different foot As for WVHS - sign me up tomorrow...so that tag doesn't stick here... thank you for playing... I know you would love to go to WVHS. Now back to the rest. Proschool what other issues are you talking about? All the issues are out in the open and being dealt with. Sorry you don't like the answer. I see you avoided the different hypothesis on the issue. From some of the things being said by kids ( repeating stuff from home no doubt) - there is likely as much truth to this as what you proposed. Doesn't feel so good coming back though does it ? Would also explain the no vote..and the sudden concern for overcrowding. Was overcrowding not going to be an issue if the majority would have voted no as they did ? Tell me where the logic doesn't work ? Explain to me otherwise the sudden awakening, and concern from these areas that my child might be in crowded conditions ? and much like you told Proschool- sorry you don't like the answer. |
|
|
|
Post by WeBe204 on Apr 9, 2008 11:43:16 GMT -6
all the other issues have been addressed ? Please stop yourself.... and the last I looked a whole lot of people still sitting down at the SB meeting Monday when JS started cheer leading were from areas that would love to go to WVHS - not that there are many that wouldn't. Seems to me some may be afraid they might go back there ? Could that be the case ? Maybe that is the REAL issue behind this support for AME and the NO vote. And as far as trying to kill the 3rd HS -- wouldn't that have happened if more people voted NO like a certain few areas now on the MWGEN bandwagon ? Seems the shoe fits - just a different foot As for WVHS - sign me up tomorrow...so that tag doesn't stick here... thank you for playing... I know you would love to go to WVHS. Now back to the rest. Proschool what other issues are you talking about? All the issues are out in the open and being dealt with. Sorry you don't like the answer. Maggie.. Can I call you Maggie?  I'll be clear for the 100th time... 1. Brach and Brodie Legal Fees and Damages 2. New B complaint on Monday 3. NSFOC Lawsuit 4. 25 achers of unsold land May I just add two years of misleading statements. Out right lies like the last land report. Claiming of involvement of the IEPA (land selection) meeting and then completely reparsing the statements to make it okay that is happens after purchase. I do not care where this darn school goes but I can tell you I am sick to death of the misinformation. But IMO (and I am not trying to be a rude a$$) you are comprimising some of your orginal principles without asking more questions. Just my opinion is all... I know the northern school can override reason. I probably would be the same way if it was coming to Macom. |
|
|
|
Post by Arch on Apr 9, 2008 11:43:34 GMT -6
I won't invoke the old rule about duplicate accounts. If someone feels the need to have different 'identities' then so be it... but you are only fooling yourself.
|
|
|
|
Post by promark on Apr 9, 2008 12:09:47 GMT -6
I'll add
5. Transportation costs.
While this has been mentioned before, I think it is a huge factor in comparing sites. Given that:
a) The ONLY reason we are pursuing Eola is money
b) The estimated increase in hard costs (i.e., not counting added risk of accidents, time wasted, etc.) is well over $1 M per year at present gas prices.
Wouldn't a simple analysis show that even if you threw away all the other debate points, this one issue makes it clear that Eola will be more expensive in the long run? Has the SB addressed this at all?
|
|
|
|
Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 12:11:57 GMT -6
I know you would love to go to WVHS. Now back to the rest. Proschool what other issues are you talking about? All the issues are out in the open and being dealt with. Sorry you don't like the answer. Maggie.. Can I call you Maggie? I'll be clear for the 100th time... 1. Brach and Brodie Legal Fees and Damages 2. New B complaint on Monday 3. NSFOC Lawsuit 4. 25 achers of unsold land May I just add two years of misleading statements. Out right lies like the last land report. Claiming of involvement of the IEPA (land selection) meeting and then completely reparsing the statements to make it okay that is happens after purchase. I do not care where this darn school goes but I can tell you I am sick to death of the misinformation. But IMO (and I am not trying to be a rude a$$) you are comprimising some of your orginal principles without asking more questions. Just my opinion is all... I know the northern school can override reason. I probably would be the same way if it was coming to Macom. You may call whatever you like. You are correct on the 4 listed items. The top one is the most concerning. The other 3 - not so much. Yes I am tired of the misinformation too, as it has been coming from all sides. |
|
|
|
Post by magneto on Apr 9, 2008 12:13:57 GMT -6
I know you would love to go to WVHS. Now back to the rest. Proschool what other issues are you talking about? All the issues are out in the open and being dealt with. Sorry you don't like the answer. I see you avoided the different hypothesis on the issue. From some of the things being said by kids ( repeating stuff from home no doubt) - there is likely as much truth to this as what you proposed. Doesn't feel so good coming back though does it ? Would also explain the no vote..and the sudden concern for overcrowding. Was overcrowding not going to be an issue if the majority would have voted no as they did ? Tell me where the logic doesn't work ? Explain to me otherwise the sudden awakening, and concern from these areas that my child might be in crowded conditions ? and much like you told Proschool- sorry you don't like the answer. I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I am not worried about what the kids are saying. It's not that I don't like the answer, I guess I have yet to hear it. All I hear is complaining. |
|
|
|
Post by mandmmom on Apr 9, 2008 12:19:04 GMT -6
Maggie.. Can I call you Maggie? I'll be clear for the 100th time... 1. Brach and Brodie Legal Fees and Damages 2. New B complaint on Monday 3. NSFOC Lawsuit 4. 25 achers of unsold land May I just add two years of misleading statements. Out right lies like the last land report. Claiming of involvement of the IEPA (land selection) meeting and then completely reparsing the statements to make it okay that is happens after purchase. I do not care where this darn school goes but I can tell you I am sick to death of the misinformation. But IMO (and I am not trying to be a rude a$$) you are comprimising some of your orginal principles without asking more questions. Just my opinion is all... I know the northern school can override reason. I probably would be the same way if it was coming to Macom. You may call whatever you like. You are correct on the 4 listed items. The top one is the most concerning. The other 3 - not so much. Yes I am tired of the misinformation too, as it has been coming from all sides. It is irresponsible that our SB is giving out misinformation. They are doing a terrible job and if they were in any other profession they would no longer have their jobs.... |
|
