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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 19:51:59 GMT -6
Someone was asking me recently why I dislike NSFOC-Fraud so much. It is for this very reason. The hypocricy is mind boggling. the fact they have been able to pull this sham and self righteous BS off for this long amazes me. If anyone is wondering why I am being less of a centrist. This is one of the primary reasons. I'm curious why you post on the other blog and your tune is much different over there (at least in the past it was). not that he needs any defending, but if you follow his posts, he has explained that while he rode in the middle for quite some time gathering facts - certain events / groups have helped him separate some fact from fiction. we have several posters on here that have 'changed' over the course of time - |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 9, 2008 19:52:09 GMT -6
I didn't see that as a threat as much as an opinion of the writer. I do think this will have repercussions for our kids; hopefully shortlived. There is no way, as many on this board have stated, that the kids don't know what's going on. Prejudice of any kind begins at home, whether its against a group, a race, a school, whatever. With all due respect, I think you should personally consider how much of these repercussions you are having an impact on. Your constant claim that others just don't want to go to WVHS is not true. But you shout it out every chance you get. Shame on you. If children are mistreated at WVHS it will be due to this kind of stuff. Maybe you should think about the kids. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 9, 2008 19:53:54 GMT -6
I'm curious why you post on the other blog and your tune is much different over there (at least in the past it was). not that he needs anydefending, but if you were following his posts, he has explained that while he rode in the middle for quite some time gathering facts - certain events / groups have helped him separate some fact from fiction. No, I haven't read all the posts. Just trying to understand. I found the tone different on different blogs - so I wasn't sure what the real viewpoint was. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 19:57:04 GMT -6
not that he needs anydefending, but if you were following his posts, he has explained that while he rode in the middle for quite some time gathering facts - certain events / groups have helped him separate some fact from fiction. No, I haven't read all the posts. Just trying to understand. I found the tone different on different blogs - so I wasn't sure what the real viewpoint was. you'll find others here also who have - after gathering a lot more facts - move from more centrist positions to stronger opinions. SOmetimes facts cause this, sometimes actions ( from SB-SD / etc) cause this.. it would be interesting to go back to the beginning to see changes -- although the issues today are somewhat different than 2 yeaars ao. Not being critical- just putting this out there. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 20:00:54 GMT -6
I didn't see that as a threat as much as an opinion of the writer. I do think this will have repercussions for our kids; hopefully shortlived. There is no way, as many on this board have stated, that the kids don't know what's going on. Prejudice of any kind begins at home, whether its against a group, a race, a school, whatever. With all due respect, I think you should personally consider how much of these repercussions you are having an impact on. Your constant claim that others just don't want to go to WVHS is not true. But you shout it out every chance you get. Shame on you. If children are mistreated at WVHS it will be due to this kind of stuff. Maybe you should think about the kids. I agree-- if people keep repeating this, the chances of it becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy go up.... |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 9, 2008 20:01:35 GMT -6
No, I haven't read all the posts. Just trying to understand. I found the tone different on different blogs - so I wasn't sure what the real viewpoint was. you'll find others here also who have - after gathering a lot more facts - move from more centrist positions to stronger opinions. SOmetimes facts cause this, sometimes actions ( from SB-SD / etc) cause this.. it would be interesting to go back to the beginning to see changes -- although the issues today are somewhat different than 2 yeaars ao. Not being critical- just putting this out there. I think I "arrived" already jaded.  But you're right - I think many people remained neutral until they had seen enough. That's why Dr.D's letter is so off-base. It's not a handful of people who are concerned. And until he and the SB face this fact, things won't improve. Sorry to be negative - but I think that's just the truth. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 9, 2008 20:03:17 GMT -6
With all due respect, I think you should personally consider how much of these repercussions you are having an impact on. Your constant claim that others just don't want to go to WVHS is not true. But you shout it out every chance you get. Shame on you. If children are mistreated at WVHS it will be due to this kind of stuff. Maybe you should think about the kids. I agree-- if people keep repeating this, the chances of it becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy go up.... Which is why I simply have no respect for this tactic or the people who use it. There are innocent kids who will be affected by the antics of some whose true agenda is probably different from what they claim it to be. And I don't know how those people sleep at night. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 9, 2008 20:04:11 GMT -6
"If I'm concerned then I'm being told I am in the minority, so I'll just sit down and shut up and pretend to be in the silent majority"
This is simply damage control to those still on the fence so they don't lose them too...
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 9, 2008 20:14:53 GMT -6
you'll find others here also who have - after gathering a lot more facts - move from more centrist positions to stronger opinions. SOmetimes facts cause this, sometimes actions ( from SB-SD / etc) cause this.. it would be interesting to go back to the beginning to see changes -- although the issues today are somewhat different than 2 yeaars ao. Not being critical- just putting this out there. I think I "arrived" already jaded. But you're right - I think many people remained neutral until they had seen enough. That's why Dr.D's letter is so off-base. It's not a handful of people who are concerned. And until he and the SB face this fact, things won't improve. Sorry to be negative - but I think that's just the truth. I don't believe that to be negative at all- I think it's a good read on the situation. If they don't listen to what's being said, how can they comprehend the size of the issue ? |
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 9, 2008 20:30:57 GMT -6
I didn't see that as a threat as much as an opinion of the writer. I do think this will have repercussions for our kids; hopefully shortlived. There is no way, as many on this board have stated, that the kids don't know what's going on. Prejudice of any kind begins at home, whether its against a group, a race, a school, whatever. With all due respect, I think you should personally consider how much of these repercussions you are having an impact on. Your constant claim that others just don't want to go to WVHS is not true. But you shout it out every chance you get. Shame on you. If children are mistreated at WVHS it will be due to this kind of stuff. Maybe you should think about the kids. Amen to that! |
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Post by sushi on Apr 9, 2008 20:37:11 GMT -6
With all due respect, I think you should personally consider how much of these repercussions you are having an impact on. Your constant claim that others just don't want to go to WVHS is not true. But you shout it out every chance you get. Shame on you. If children are mistreated at WVHS it will be due to this kind of stuff. Maybe you should think about the kids. Amen to that! What?  |
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 9, 2008 20:45:10 GMT -6
What? I agree.....you are one of the number one people commenting about others and what you foresee as their reason for wishing to atttend a school other than that which they are slated to attend. How the heck do you know what is in the mind of others? Your comments don't help fix the problem, yet instead is contributing to the stigma that WV is a nondesireable school all around. |
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Post by steckmom on Apr 10, 2008 4:44:05 GMT -6
No, I haven't read all the posts. Just trying to understand. I found the tone different on different blogs - so I wasn't sure what the real viewpoint was. you'll find others here also who have - after gathering a lot more facts - move from more centrist positions to stronger opinions. SOmetimes facts cause this, sometimes actions ( from SB-SD / etc) cause this.. it would be interesting to go back to the beginning to see changes -- although the issues today are somewhat different than 2 yeaars ao. Not being critical- just putting this out there. I'm also one who has become less centrist. While I was pretty annoyed by the NSFOC lawsuit, I've always had environmental concerns. It just doesn't make sense to me financially long-term and safety-wise to put the school at the AME/MWGEN site, particularly with the rush for 2009. The school board is being egotistical and short-sighted with this decision. It should be pointed out also, that many of the people on this board with strong opinions actually like many of the people on the green board even though they disagree at the moment. |
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Post by JB on Apr 10, 2008 4:59:40 GMT -6
I'm also one who has become less centrist. While I was pretty annoyed by the NSFOC lawsuit, I've always had environmental concerns. It just doesn't make sense to me financially long-term and safety-wise to put the school at the AME/MWGEN site, particularly with the rush for 2009. The school board is being egotistical and short-sighted with this decision. It should be pointed out also, that many of the people on this board with strong opinions actually like many of the people on the green board even though they disagree at the moment. The more people I talk to, the more I believe this is where most of the district is. Most of us care a great deal about the district, yet are uncomfortable about saying so. Recently, I am sensing that the tide is changing. With more information coming out, people are becoming aware of the issue, and are starting to ask their own questions, and are more comfortable stating this position. As we speak to one another, we are realizing that we are not alone. SMOM is also dead on about many of us having friends over on the green board. And there are others "over there" that we have alot of respect for providing their reasoned counter views in the past. While we don't agree with them, at the moment, that doesn't change the fact that most of them are caring parents. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 10, 2008 5:25:37 GMT -6
What? I agree.....you are one of the number one people commenting about others and what you foresee as their reason for wishing to atttend a school other than that which they are slated to attend. How the heck do you know what is in the mind of others? Your comments don't help fix the problem, yet instead is contributing to the stigma that WV is a nondesireable school all around. Exactly. Sushi, you have continued to claim every chance you get that our concerns are a cover for not wanting to go to WVHS. But you don't know me - and that's not true. With all the hostility out there, this type of talk creates a problem for the kids who may go to WVHS. I'm sorry if you haven't thought about that before. But I think you need to. |
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