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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 15, 2008 21:16:41 GMT -6
If someone can surf the net that quickly and come up with valuable information, why did we get so burned in the condemnation suit? ETA: "Commons and McCoy --couple of lots $1,750,000 for 1.73 acres. Wow, that's $1M/acre for land near BB" I really wish I had been following the case. There had to have been a reason why the jury came up with $560K/acre for the land back then (was it 2005 land value or 2006?) Anyway, the comps back then were really for $250K/acre with I think a max of $350k/acre that a REaltor poster put up. Maybe Costco was $500K/acre but that was corner lot etc. So I didn't understand where the $560k came from. Have land prices gone up that much in 2 years? I'm not sure you can compare a small lot that might be improved to a huge parcel of BB land but this is interesting. Guess that is what happens when land becomes scarce. I personally hope those lots sell for $1M per acre next to BB. How can they say we damaged their property? I must be missing something because they should be dropping their lawsuit and waiting a bit so they can sell for even bigger bucks than $560K/acre. |
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Post by rural on Apr 15, 2008 21:19:31 GMT -6
How long would it take to perform land appraisal (since AT said they did not have enough time)? Home appraisals usually take a couple of weeks. I don't know about large land deals. The fewer comps there are that match your house, the longer it takes because now they have to go out of the area to find a match. Then they have to make adjustments due to the different areas or different sized properties. |
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Post by macy on Apr 15, 2008 21:20:28 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I was worried during the condemnation suit and am still worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/ |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 15, 2008 21:26:06 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I have and am worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Yep, it makes me sick to my stomach. Wish I was an attorney 'cause it's over my head. It doesn't look good. I can only hope it is FUD and they have no precedent to back it up. All I know is we need a break. I can't stand the disappointments our district has faced in land acquistion, boundary decisions, you name it. I hope we lose the arrogant attitude at the trial and go for the wounded puppy stance. You know, with the big, sad eyes? |
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Post by d204mom on Apr 15, 2008 21:33:04 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I have and am worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Yep, it makes me sick to my stomach. Wish I was an attorney 'cause it's over my head. It doesn't look good. I can only hope it is FUD and they have no precedent to back it up. All I know is we need a break. I can't stand the disappointments our district has faced in land acquistion, boundary decisions, you name it. I hope we lose the arrogant attitude at the trial and go for the wounded puppy stance. You know, with the big, sad eyes? OK- the board is using the "no precedence" line to make everyone feel good about it these lawsuits. I understand that to mean that there isn't any case law for either side to use to argue their points. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by macy on Apr 15, 2008 21:37:52 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I have and am worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Yep, it makes me sick to my stomach. Wish I was an attorney 'cause it's over my head. It doesn't look good. I can only hope it is FUD and they have no precedent to back it up. All I know is we need a break. I can't stand the disappointments our district has faced in land acquistion, boundary decisions, you name it. I hope we lose the arrogant attitude at the trial and go for the wounded puppy stance. You know, with the big, sad eyes? I agree with you. Instead of the pompous, "we know what we are doing (despite the fact we have a really bad track record in court)- you are wrong, we are right attitude", we need to look for empathy and sympathy at this point from anyone willing to throw some good will our way. Empathy..... Do you think the school board or the All Mighty Dash understands that term? I don't have much hope based on their recent behavior. |
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Post by JB on Apr 15, 2008 21:41:42 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I was worried during the condemnation suit and am still worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Sleepless, if you go to page 18, paragraph 66 of the complaint - they are ready to deliver at the jury price, plus interest. Macy, if the distict is sued, they have unlimited capability to raise our taxes through the Tort Immunity Fund. www.ipsd204.proboards76.com/v45index.cgi?board=sb&action=display&thread=1671&page=1#44513Now I'm gonna be sleepless  |
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Post by concerned2 on Apr 15, 2008 21:47:11 GMT -6
Yep, it makes me sick to my stomach. Wish I was an attorney 'cause it's over my head. It doesn't look good. I can only hope it is FUD and they have no precedent to back it up. All I know is we need a break. I can't stand the disappointments our district has faced in land acquistion, boundary decisions, you name it. I hope we lose the arrogant attitude at the trial and go for the wounded puppy stance. You know, with the big, sad eyes? OK- the board is using the "no precedence" line to make everyone feel good about it these lawsuits. I understand that to mean that there isn't any case law for either side to use to argue their points. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. You have it right. Which does not reassure me at all. Just because there are no cases like ours does not mean a judge will dismiss it. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2008 21:52:14 GMT -6
What I don't understand is didn't they get an appraisal when they were looking at the AME land along with the MWG land? They had plenty of time to do that before they approved that sale. If they did, then maybe they can at least extrapolate what the better AME land would be worth for the new offer. But it sounds like they didn't even do that months ago. I guess as long as it is less than $560K/acre, who cares. ETA: I meant I would have hoped that they looked at comparables before negotiating. You do not have to have an appraisal to make an offer. When you buy a home, the appraisal comes after the offer. What comparable was AT talking about at the meeting and had that sold and when? I have to agree that this is the part that is just bugging me like a loose tooth. If AT were to say they didn't do the appraisal because they already knew what comps were for the area, etc., etc., it wouldn't bother me anywhere near as much as saying it was because of a tight timeline. Is she talking about right now for the whole parcel? I'm okay with the 225/acre price. Is anyone able to find a lot in 204 to build a house on that's less than that? stick around - they'll likely be some in my area... |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2008 21:54:50 GMT -6
204Parent are you referring to the "improving the "Albatross" plan? Don't blame me, I didn't say it. To add: I've never uttered one bad word about WVHS. Yet, despite any issue I may have with the decision making abilities of our elected leaders and the debacle they've created, I'm labeled a racist, entitled, Waubonsie Hater. I'm so over this! Yes, the "anti-Albatross plan". On one hand, everyone says WVHS is just fine. On the other hand, the SB says we need a "new WVHS" or it will be an Albatross. It makes no sense to me. The referendum was for a 3rd HS to alleviate overcrowding. It had nothing to do with creating a "new WVHS". That idea didn't exist until after Dash joined the district... oh they were rumblings of this before he got he ( and listen, I defend the guy on nothing) -- it's why MACOM would never have been selected - it was all about boundaries. Those discussions were going on before we fell in a ditch |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2008 21:59:53 GMT -6
I never said it did. However at about the same time that the church bought the Eola site for 35k/acre the school bought 25 acres at BB for over 260k/acre. So the land at AME costs less/acre than the original 25 BB acres? there's a reason for that -- same reason u can buy a mansion in Oklahoma City for the price of a below average house in Chicago We could have gotten even cheaper land in central Wisconsin - surprised we didn't - after all Laidlaw would quote a 30 minute round trip, and the SD would say - same number of buses - no cost increase. |
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Post by macy on Apr 15, 2008 22:01:26 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I was worried during the condemnation suit and am still worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Sleepless, if you go to page 18, paragraph 66 of the complaint - they are ready to deliver at the jury price, plus interest. Macy, if the distict is sued, they have unlimited capability to raise our taxes through the Tort Immunity Fund. www.ipsd204.proboards76.com/v45index.cgi?board=sb&action=display&thread=1671&page=1#44513Now I'm gonna be sleepless JB Yes.. The "unlimited capability to raise our taxes through the Tort Immunity Fund". I was informed about this by a good "friend" that understands Illinois law and legislature quite some time ago. Yes, page 18 is a killer. How can anyone not worry about this regardless of where you live in the district? It's very troubling to me. I'm not sleepless anymore. I sleep at night only because the the mass quantity of boxed wine I drink in a 24 hour time frame. I've moved on to headaches and stomach problems during the day. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2008 22:09:20 GMT -6
Sleepless, have you read their complaint? From what we've learned, they are very competent attorneys. I have and am worried. What will happen to the district if they are awarded a significant financial award for damages? Here's where it can be viewed. winsome.cnchost.com/complaint/Yep, it makes me sick to my stomach. Wish I was an attorney 'cause it's over my head. It doesn't look good. I can only hope it is FUD and they have no precedent to back it up. All I know is we need a break. I can't stand the disappointments our district has faced in land acquistion, boundary decisions, you name it. I hope we lose the arrogant attitude at the trial and go for the wounded puppy stance. You know, with the big, sad eyes? the wounded puppy who condemned land rather than negotiate, I think that ship has sailed. As for precedence- how many people win a condemnation law suit then tell the courts and state government - hey just kidding we can't afford it ? Just like the saying goes, they don't build casinos like the LUXOR in Vegas because the casinos are losing to people..... law firms of this magnitude, do not cover costs and stick with a case like this because they think they will lose. They win far more than they lose. Every situation has a precedent set at one time or another, just because no other school district has ever been this screwed up may not exaclt ybe viewed as a positive as they are spinning it. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 15, 2008 22:09:22 GMT -6
We could have gotten even cheaper land in central Wisconsin - surprised we didn't - after all Laidlaw would quote a 30 minute round trip, and the SD would say - same number of buses - no cost increase. doc, you're always good for putting a smile on my face  |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2008 22:11:51 GMT -6
JB Yes.. The "unlimited capability to raise our taxes through the Tort Immunity Fund". I was informed about this by a good "friend" that understands Illinois law and legislature quite some time ago. Yes, page 18 is a killer. How can anyone not worry about this regardless of where you live in the district? It's very troubling to me. I'm not sleepless anymore. I sleep at night because the the mass quantity of boxed wine I drink in a 24 hour time frame. I've moved on to headaches and stomach problems during the day. I hope a headline soon discusses the Tort Immunity Fund -- folks, they're at the roulette wheel with your checkbook, not theirs. |
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