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Post by researching on Jun 5, 2008 23:25:36 GMT -6
I would have to disagree that they are completely separate issues. The SB / Admin perpetuated the negativity shown to my area and frankly appeared to encourage it by their behavior. This from the people who, more than anyone else, are expected to set the example in this district. IMO they HAVE set the example and it isn't a good one. I will agree with your comment on labeling whole neighborhoods but unfortunately, here I sit. If you try my experiment you will see just how many "ignorant" people there are. your opinion is duly noted..... btw, I tell people I live in Aurora...not oakhurst...I think the "what neighborhood do you live in" conversations are annoying at best I feel your pain.  The best is the immediately closed look people get on their faces. At least that's better than the sneer that others give. Boy do we live in a complicated district! |
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Post by sluggo on Jun 5, 2008 23:34:57 GMT -6
Steckdad, I sure hope you are trying to humor me with your last post. I'm kinda chuckling with the Stonebridge comment... You have a good sense of humor. Trust me, the entitlement shoe doesn't fit me (nor, my neighbors). Yet, I felt it was directed at not only me but my community. I wasn't the only one that felt that way. I'm pretty sure there were 1,200 other homes that felt it was an undeserved "slam". I've wondered, after hearing that comment from Daeschner, who is more prejudiced? Who made an assumption prior to commentary? Who prejudged people? To start an emotionally charged boundary meeting with that? Pretty darn stupid. Wouldn't a certain amount of empathy towards the situation have gone so much further? Nobody in the corporate world, that I've ever known, would be so bold to begin a meeting with such a negative statement. Who in their right mind would do that? And, why? one question macy...why do you think DR D. made that comment? was it from the weeks worth of emails he read before the boundry meeting?(not prior to commentary!) what is your take? and to answer your question. I think Dr. D has no filter and says what he feels.(which I like) If he showed empathy then folks would have slammed him for glad handing certain neighborhoods... Not sure who you work for, but that was a softball compared to what I have witnessed...... I think Doctor Daeschner might have made a stupid comment in calling people entitled. Why would he have said that if he didn't really feel justified in stating it? I think he was stupid in saying that. I was there and was offended and didn't understand what he meant by that. I was wondering at the time what he meant by entitled as I didn't get it. |
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Post by concerned2 on Jun 6, 2008 5:58:30 GMT -6
Dr. D should of NEVER made that comment. I am sure there were many nasty emails from both sides. I am sure he heard from the entitled vote no Brookdale folks, how they deserve a new HS because somehow they are the only subdivision that paid for NV.
IMO, this slam was directed at TG, so many could join the TG slamming. So it was easier to justify moving TG from its closest HS that they could walk to. Yes, about the same percentage as Mccarty and Steck will be able to walk to WV. TG is the only walking subdivision moved from it's school. I never saw proof of these emails and these comments were made by BG at the site selection meeting. All made up in my mind. I know way to many awesome people in here and they know how to conduct themselves.
ETA: modified post for typos.
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Post by rew on Jun 6, 2008 6:35:32 GMT -6
All of Heatherstone is walkers as well (and part of White Eagle).
I want to agree with your first post Sluggo. Why have the 204TK folks been "cut out" of the back patting?
204TK walked the neighborhoods, raised the campaign funds, knocked on doors etc. But the Rev speaks at the ground breaking?? Would the BB attorneys have spoken at the groundbreaking if the HS was being built held at BB?
The SD/SB has NO idea who REALLY made this HS possible. Or at least they don't want to make it obvious that the "northerners" have the "southerners" to thank.
No they are too busy villainizing that portion of the district, so no one talks about the terrible mismanagement of the entire project
,,,two years of inflation $16M, $5M to BB, $5M in expedite costs all equals $26M WASTED!
And that also means they could have paid BB up to $26M + $19M = $45M back in March of 2006 and we would have opened the HS this fall and not spent more.
Where is the outrage at this complete failure, oh yes, it is being directed at the people who supported the SB, trusted the SB, and worked their A**es off to get the ref passed.
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Post by Arch on Jun 6, 2008 6:40:22 GMT -6
These antics will bite them in the butt.
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Post by d204mom on Jun 6, 2008 7:00:16 GMT -6
All of Heatherstone is walkers as well (and part of White Eagle). I want to agree with your first post Sluggo. Why have the 204TK folks been "cut out" of the back patting? 204TK walked the neighborhoods, raised the campaign funds, knocked on doors etc. But the Rev speaks at the ground breaking?? Would the BB attorneys have spoken at the groundbreaking if the HS was being built held at BB? The SD/SB has NO idea who REALLY made this HS possible. Or at least they don't want to make it obvious that the "northerners" have the "southerners" to thank. No they are too busy villainizing that portion of the district, so no one talks about the terrible mismanagement of the entire project ,,,two years of inflation $16M, $5M to BB, $5M in expedite costs all equals $26M WASTED! And that also means they could have paid BB up to $26M + $19M = $45M back in March of 2006 and we would have opened the HS this fall and not spent more. Where is the outrage at this complete failure, oh yes, it is being directed at the people who supported the SB, trusted the SB, and worked their A**es off to get the ref passed. First I heard that parking was a problem so it would be a small affair. Then I read in the paper that "hundreds" attended. It is a shame and an embarrassment if no one from 204thekids spoke. I don't get the good reverend speaking. They made enough money to build their church elsewhere. Good for them! But why all the talk of sacrifice? I don't get it. It was a mutually beneficial situation. A win-win.  If anyone went, can you post the list of speakers? ETA - I agree rew - $26 MIL WASTED and that's BEST CASE if the judge dismisses all BB damage claims. |
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Post by d204mom on Jun 6, 2008 7:03:34 GMT -6
I think it's funny that people think that the folks in charge can be a PR nightmare and "speak their mind" and it's ok. It's not ok. People that run big organizations or businesses have to watch what they say in public.
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Post by spousestonethrow on Jun 6, 2008 7:07:23 GMT -6
one question macy...why do you think DR D. made that comment? was it from the weeks worth of emails he read before the boundry meeting?(not prior to commentary!) what is your take? and to answer your question. I think Dr. D has no filter and says what he feels.(which I like) If he showed empathy then folks would have slammed him for glad handing certain neighborhoods... Not sure who you work for, but that was a softball compared to what I have witnessed...... I think Doctor Daeschner might have made a stupid comment in calling people entitled. Why would he have said that if he didn't really feel justified in stating it? I think he was stupid in saying that. I was there and was offended and didn't understand what he meant by that. I was wondering at the time what he meant by entitled as I didn't get it. I spoke to DrD during the break of a SB meeting and informed him that he was correct. I am entitled now and have always been - and it has nothing to do with where I live. We are all entitled individuals. He said that putting it that way I am correct. DrD is great at backpeddling! I also informed some of these SB members that when I look up the words synonymous with entitled I find deserving and worthy of.........again, what was he trying to say?I guess that as taxpayers of this district all I am worthy of and deserve is to have my pocketbook gouged thanks to the mistakes of our SB/Admin! |
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Post by anteater on Jun 6, 2008 7:34:27 GMT -6
I want to agree with your first post Sluggo. Why have the 204TK folks been "cut out" of the back patting? 204TK walked the neighborhoods, raised the campaign funds, knocked on doors etc. But the Rev speaks at the ground breaking?? Would the BB attorneys have spoken at the groundbreaking if the HS was being built held at BB? I could not agree more. However, Dr. D was not here when the referendum passed, and I fear that the school board members consider it ancient history. Of course, they'll be expecting many of these same people and more to do all the heavy lifting whenever the next referendum is on the ballot. On your other point, that was my greatest disappointment that the BB site didn't work out. I have on good authority that they planned to have a seance in conjunction with the groundbreaking so that Helen Brach herself could address the gathering. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 6, 2008 7:58:20 GMT -6
Yes, Yes and Yes. I have to admit until the last year the answer would have been no. I had 2 different parents when I was at Hill functions tell me straight out it was about time the north got a new school like they paid for 10 years ago. They did not know where I stood on things and I did not tell them then, I just nodded as quite frankly, I couldn't believe my ears. When we were at a track meet this year from Hill- I had 2 different parents, ( 1 from BD and 1 from LW) tell me they were so glad MV was going to open because they did not want their daughters at WVHS. I had not met either of these parents prior to this, they didn't know me from Adam. I was not as quiet ( much to my wife's dismay ) at these comments. And actually to be totally honest I sought them out for their response as I was waiting with my daughter and a few of her friends she introduced me to while they were waiting their turns to run. When I asked the girls if they were excited for high school - those comments came out - so I decided to ask the parents myself why ( now you know why my wife usually sits with other Mom's at events. ) . I asked them why and they told me they thought the school was too rough for girls. WHen I protested and used my older daughter as an example as someone who loved her experience at WVHS and never had one issue in 4 years, their response was I didn't know what I was tlaking about because it had changed. So sad to say Mom, yes I have.... How many people feel that way I have no idea - but read the Sun Blogs - they are out there. And I agree when NV was built, I never heard this in my area either - people were more than fine with staying at our 'home' school- and we were right next to you at the time. So if that existed North then I do not know - to be fair DOC...some of the guys and and their wives from my softball team feel the same way...they live south of 95th st. and some of them are WV grads...I told them they have no clue. some people forget where they come from..the neighborhoods they would never live in now are the ones their parents bought there first house in.... I think the forgetting of ones' roots is a valid point - I grew up in an apartment on the South Side of Chicago - my parents couldn't afford a house yet were good people, working hard, and gee, I survived. Something I hope I never forget. |
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Post by snerdley on Jun 6, 2008 8:25:51 GMT -6
LOL Steckdad.... If only you knew who I worked for (I'll PM you) as they are brutal. The Dr. would have been sliced immediately from the payroll for making such a statement. Yes, it was a softball, but in my industry even a "softball" with that implication without a target would not be tolerated. Who was he "lobbing" that insult at? I think I know. Don't you? Regardless, it was a really stupid comment. What was his point? To insult people? If so, mission accomplished. In his position, I would think he should be willing and able to listed to STUPID comments in regards to an emotional issue such as a boundary change. Empathy goes a long way. Insulting people that are already upset incites emotion. Duh.... He pissed off alot of people. Was that smart? why does our super have to kiss A$$ instead of telling it like it is? IMO there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is. Folks here on the board don't think twice about slamming dr. d or the SB, or anyone else that is not "on board" with their opinions. Maybe just maybe the correspondence he received prior to and during the boundary meeting were a little over the top? To treat people with courtesy and respect would NOT be A$$ kissing. He failed miserably in doing so. Quite frankly, I believe they made up or magnified any correspondence they received to suit their agenda. Even if they did receive some emails that were not appropriate, they in no way would have represented a majority of people nor should they have been utilized to make any decisions about an area. In addition, I'm sure there were other obnoxious and rude emails from other sections of the district. Decisions regarding the location of the third high school as well as the boundaries should not have been based on emotion. They needed a reason to pull TG (who can walk to NVHS) out. So IMO, they labled the whole area. I point the finger directly at MM, BG, and Dr. D. The whole charade was transparent. As I read your posts, they come off as more of the "sit down and shut up" message that we keep hearing. Maybe that's not your intention. |
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Post by snerdley on Jun 6, 2008 8:28:09 GMT -6
The Rev. Hawkins lives in Gingerwoods, but I am unclear on why this is interesting. Because he lives in the MV attendance area and could benefit from any rise in property value due to close proximity to the high school. I didn't know where he lived, but things are more clear now. Some of his statements in the papers have not been appropriate in my opinion - in fact, over the top. The fact that he lives right there makes more sense. He is directly affected by where the school is built. |
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Post by specailneedsmom on Jun 6, 2008 8:56:50 GMT -6
He can join the long list of clergy that in today's society need to preach to the choir and not to the public.
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Post by steckdad on Jun 6, 2008 9:39:26 GMT -6
why does our super have to kiss A$$ instead of telling it like it is? IMO there is nothing wrong with telling it like it is. Folks here on the board don't think twice about slamming dr. d or the SB, or anyone else that is not "on board" with their opinions. Maybe just maybe the correspondence he received prior to and during the boundary meeting were a little over the top? To treat people with courtesy and respect would NOT be A$$ kissing. He failed miserably in doing so. Quite frankly, I believe they made up or magnified any correspondence they received to suit their agenda. Even if they did receive some emails that were not appropriate, they in no way would have represented a majority of people nor should they have been utilized to make any decisions about an area. In addition, I'm sure there were other obnoxious and rude emails from other sections of the district. Decisions regarding the location of the third high school as well as the boundaries should not have been based on emotion. They needed a reason to pull TG (who can walk to NVHS) out. So IMO, they labled the whole area. I point the finger directly at MM, BG, and Dr. D. The whole charade was transparent. As I read your posts, they come off as more of the "sit down and shut up" message that we keep hearing. Maybe that's not your intention.[/color] first of all .....I have heard a lot of conspiracy theories here and other places, and none of them hold any water IMO. But you sometimes hear what you want to hear, and when things don't go in one's favor, it just adds to it. secondly, please don't read more into my posts. take them for face value. I try to post my opinions exactly.....nothing makes me more crazy than posting a comment and the getting a reply like "so you are saying.....etc" |
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Post by steckmom on Jun 6, 2008 9:50:40 GMT -6
Dr. D should of NEVER made that comment. I am sure there were many nasty emails from both sides. I am sure he heard from the entitled vote no Brookdale folks, how they deserve a new HS because somehow they are the only subdivision that paid for NV. IMO, this slam was directed at TG, so many could join the TG slamming. So it was easier to justify moving TG from its closest HS that they could walk to. Yes, about the same percentage as Mccarty and Steck will be able to walk to WV. TG is the only walking subdivision moved from it's school. I never saw proof of these emails and these comments were made by BG at the site selection meeting. All made up in my mind. I know way to many awesome people in here and they know how to conduct themselves. ETA: modified post for typos. You know TG and WE have my sympathy moving for having to move from a close school. However, Steck and McCarty are both closer to WV than TG or WE is to NV. The SD may send busses, but the closest homes in Oakhurst are about 50 yds max from WV property. Even the furthest home in the bussed area from Steck (except for perhaps the new to Steck, Legacy Fields area) could easily walk. |
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The best is the immediately closed look people get on their faces. At least that's better than the sneer that others give.
