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Post by Arch on Oct 6, 2008 15:19:24 GMT -6
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Post by Arch on Oct 6, 2008 15:49:56 GMT -6
On a personal note, I found the first part rather insulting (the mockery). On a second note, it almost sounded like there was an attempt at an underlying message that everyone needs to start being 'obedient' ; almost like a 'sit down and shut up' undercurrent... Maybe I heard too much into it... On the benign point of view, I can appreciate the "Can't we all just get along" parts to it but I think starting it off with slaps in the face was the wrong approach.
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Post by researching on Oct 6, 2008 15:58:06 GMT -6
On a personal note, I found the first part rather insulting (the mockery). On a second note, it almost sounded like there was an attempt at an underlying message that everyone needs to start being 'obedient' ; almost like a 'sit down and shut up' undercurrent... Maybe I heard too much into it... On the benign point of view, I can appreciate the "Can't we all just get along" parts to it but I think starting it off with slaps in the face was the wrong approach. When I get over the shock of this being a church topic maybe I'll have a coherent response.  |
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Post by casey on Oct 6, 2008 16:26:27 GMT -6
On a personal note, I found the first part rather insulting (the mockery). On a second note, it almost sounded like there was an attempt at an underlying message that everyone needs to start being 'obedient' ; almost like a 'sit down and shut up' undercurrent... Maybe I heard too much into it... On the benign point of view, I can appreciate the "Can't we all just get along" parts to it but I think starting it off with slaps in the face was the wrong approach. I would agree. In addition, I think that it's interesting to note that Pastor Scott Field lives in an area that as he points out is unaffected in that it has an ES, MS, and HS in his neighborhood. Can't help but think of his continuous quote of "birds of a feather", gee, I don't see many different "birds" living in his neighborhood. In addition, I couldn't help but keep thinking " people who live in glass houses...." I had a hard time listening to his "sermon" and feeling the love. As you pointed out Arch, it's more of the same "sit down and shut up" but this one is from a man of the cloth ? |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Oct 6, 2008 18:57:12 GMT -6
I just finished listening to the podcast regarding boundaries. My thoughts are as follows.
The boundary issue is still very emotional for many in our community. My concern is "Was this sermon an uplifting message". Was the play portraying people in a positive manner. Did the message emphasize the good that is found naturally in people.
Was the community portrayed in a positive light. Were feelings helped or hurt with what was said. Were people portrayed in such away that there were some that benefited at the demise of others.
Did the pastor have true life experience that would make this topic a realistic subject to speak of in a church setting. And most importantly were the people at hand ready to hear the message from the pastor.
In my case I would really liked to have been at the sermon to see the reactions. The podcast just was not able to capture the emotion from the audience.
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 6, 2008 19:57:35 GMT -6
On a personal note, I found the first part rather insulting (the mockery). On a second note, it almost sounded like there was an attempt at an underlying message that everyone needs to start being 'obedient' ; almost like a 'sit down and shut up' undercurrent... Maybe I heard too much into it... On the benign point of view, I can appreciate the "Can't we all just get along" parts to it but I think starting it off with slaps in the face was the wrong approach. When I get over the shock of this being a church topic maybe I'll have a coherent response. I pray this isn't even remotely tied to our PR machine - I don't like when religion is tied into local and national politics - I sure as heck don't expect it to be injected into school politics. There is a separation of church and state for a reason in this country... I'm perfectly capable of understanding what God's will is as it relates to my life and my family's life. And really, I am getting quite sick of the anti Naperville rhetoric - regardless of who wants to speak it. This is kind of stunning...really. |
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Post by we4 on Oct 6, 2008 20:00:45 GMT -6
I am listening to this right now. I didn't really find the Starbucks skit funny. Maybe without the video it loses something.
Was this sermon a comedy routine? I found myself wanting to close the window at the half way point. I'm at the 15 minute mark and I'm done. I cannot believe they did this during a service. I think I may have politely excused myself during the Starbucks and comedy part.
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Post by steckmom on Oct 6, 2008 23:02:13 GMT -6
As a non religious person, but one who is respectful of other's beliefs, I was hesitant to comment on this.
However, since the sermon itself is a comment on the area in which I live and was put out on a public message board by presumably a church member, I decided to comment.
First, couldn't one take the view that even building a new high school in the first place is part of the 'demanding' suburban view?
Second, on the issue of birds of a feather and being accepting. The point was that diversity is important, but only as long as you believe what they want you to believe. Either with respect to God or the Boundaries. How accepting is that?
Third, obedience. To whom, outside of God, is he saying people should be obedient? If perhaps there were a corrupt government, we should be obedient? If a child is being harmed in some way by someone in power, should that child be obedient? If you disagree with the Starbucks to which you have been assigned, does this religion actually say you should just be obedient?
I guess my point is the whole thing is dependent on your world (and spiritual) view. To insult a group of people and to use this vehicle to insinuate that a certain political view is correct, one that has essentially nothing to do with religion or morals, is distasteful.
Most of all though, I think that this pastor is a pretty smart man. He got a non religious person like me to listen to his sermon. Kudos to him, he's good at his job. And I think it's great the church is actively involved in service to the community.
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Post by Arch on Oct 6, 2008 23:31:47 GMT -6
I had a good talk with a retired Catholic priest in the family. His take was amazingly simple and respectful. "If people are upset with the decisions of elected officials, they need to speak up at the ballot box." He wouldn't touch the subject beyond that because "it would risk alienating and ridiculing people in the community and that's not how Jesus taught us to conduct ourselves."
I found that most refreshing to hear.
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Post by twhl on Oct 7, 2008 8:11:58 GMT -6
How incredibly offensive. He should be embarrassed for himself and his church members who found this really had a message that was worth giving. As he stated apparently he believes that he lives in the "Church-world" and not reality and based on his sermon he does need to get real.
Uppity (sp) - he needs to get past the 70's - who says that anymore ?
Unfortunately the Father(his, mine and everyone else's") does state that only believers will be allowed in heaven and have everlasting life. Pastor Scott Field contradicts his own teachings that only believers will be allowed to join the Father in heaven and have everlasting life. If you don't believe you don't get in heaven - and in fact if you are that makes you part of the "birds of a feather". So which is it Pastor Scott? Having something in common with another is not a bad thing. Rolling this in to a sermon is soooooooo wrong. Nice message - hopefully none of the Class of 2012 was there. I find part of his talk as I don't consider this a sermon, very interesting that by bringing up specific examples of "invisible boundaries" does nothing but to reinforce them. And who anointed him a "boundary expert" ?
And at the end when he says I will go to a different church because he is messing with my school boundaries - please........ breaking boundaries means you have to listen and want to hear others and not to tell them to sit down and shut up.
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Post by researching on Oct 7, 2008 8:47:04 GMT -6
When I get over the shock of this being a church topic maybe I'll have a coherent response. I pray this isn't even remotely tied to our PR machine - I don't like when religion is tied into local and national politics - I sure as heck don't expect it to be injected into school politics. There is a separation of church and state for a reason in this country... I'm perfectly capable of understanding what God's will is as it relates to my life and my family's life. And really, I am getting quite sick of the anti Naperville rhetoric - regardless of who wants to speak it. This is kind of stunning...really. Ditto! Ditto! Ditto! I had a chance to sleep on this and all I can say is "how offensive and obsurd!". Sadly, this changes my viewpoint on this church entirely. Now when my Methodist family members come in for the holidays I will have to find another church to recommend. This is not the Methodist church I remember. The church I remember certainly didn't ridicule and mock. This just represented this church as bullies. Hurtful to say this least and, by being presented in church, all under the umbrella of God! How disappointing! |
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Post by moneypit on Oct 7, 2008 11:01:04 GMT -6
When I get over the shock of this being a church topic maybe I'll have a coherent response. I pray this isn't even remotely tied to our PR machine - I don't like when religion is tied into local and national politics - I sure as heck don't expect it to be injected into school politics. There is a separation of church and state for a reason in this country... I'm perfectly capable of understanding what God's will is as it relates to my life and my family's life. And really, I am getting quite sick of the anti Naperville rhetoric - regardless of who wants to speak it. This is kind of stunning...really. My sentiments exactly DrWho. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is very disappointing. My next door neighbor attends there, I will have to pay a visit to get his perspective since we live in an affected area. |
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Post by sashimi on Oct 7, 2008 12:37:50 GMT -6
Starting to get worried....first Ames and now Wheatland. Would have saved a lot of my time if Daeschner skipped the whole "elitist" speech and just told us in the first place that the Eola site was Holy land.
In addition, why all of the misrepresentations about the Route 59th street bridge (goes against the whole "though shall not lie" thing).
Would have been easier if the Board was just honest about the fact that they consider Tallgrass the modern day Sodom:
"the Sodomites, overweeningly proud of their numbers and the extent of their wealth, showed themselves insolent to men and impious to the Divinity, insomuch that they no more remembered the benefits that they had received from him, hated foreigners and declined all intercourse with others. Indignant at this conduct, God accordingly resolved to chastise them for their arrogance..."
Josephus, Antiquities I: 194-5
If I go to church this weekend and my Pastor is dressed in orange, I am done!
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Post by Arch on Oct 7, 2008 12:45:26 GMT -6
From reading other comments about this on another board, it almost sounds like there's a whole "hate on Naperville" (specifically S. Naperville) twist to it. Seriously... WTF? Do people realize how prejudice they sound? Oh, but wait, if it goes one way that's bad.. but the other direction, well that's good.  |
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Post by researching on Oct 7, 2008 13:01:39 GMT -6
Has anyone contacted the church to let them know exactly how offensive this is? Also, I know many in TG who take their little ones to preschool there. I wonder how they feel about being a parody all the while they still write their checks and the church happily collects them?
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