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Post by steckdad on Feb 26, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -6
who said the kids admitted it? why I used the work 'if' - as I've read that in multiple places- but I do not have court docs. my point exactly.... |
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Post by southsidemom on Feb 26, 2009 15:56:30 GMT -6
What about the follow up attack the next day in school - after a felonious encounter - you skipped over that. Of course so did the note sent out. I am going by what the father said in the meeting - that IS public record - are you saying he lied ? no ..just one sided. and it was an alleged felonious encounter...which has shown to be not real important information to most posters on the subject. Alleged? I would agree that you are innocent until proven guilty. However these students in all their infinate wisdom opted to record the crime while it was taking place. Did you seem to forget that?  |
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Post by slp on Feb 26, 2009 15:59:32 GMT -6
no ..just one sided. and it was an alleged felonious encounter...which has shown to be not real important information to most posters on the subject. Alleged? I would agree that you are innocent until proven guilty. However these students in all their infinate wisdom opted to record the crime while it was taking place. Did you seem to forget that? you beat me to it SSM! These kids filmed the event and decided to share it! So, Steckdad can defend the process all he wants, but this process needs to change! We need to allow our school officials to remove students accused of felonies (especially those crimes pertaining to sexual assault) until the cases can be heard in a court of law! If that means the district pays for at-home tutoring (to safeguard the rights of the accused to an education under the Constitution), then sobeit! |
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Post by southsidemom on Feb 26, 2009 16:01:05 GMT -6
Alleged? I would agree that you are innocent until proven guilty. However these students in all their infinate wisdom opted to record the crime while it was taking place. Did you seem to forget that? you beat me to it SSM! These kids filmed the event and decided to share it! So, Steckdad can defend the process all he wants, but this process needs to change! We need to allow our school officials to remove students accused of felonies (especially those crimes pertaining to sexual assault) until the cases can be heard in a court of law! If that means the district pays for at-home tutoring (to safeguard the rights of the accused to an education under the Constitution), then sobeit! Maybe Steckdad is catching some of DrDs selective memory. |
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 26, 2009 16:03:05 GMT -6
Alleged? I would agree that you are innocent until proven guilty. However these students in all their infinate wisdom opted to record the crime while it was taking place. Did you seem to forget that? you beat me to it SSM! These kids filmed the event and decided to share it! So, Steckdad can defend the process all he wants, but this process needs to change! We need to allow our school officials to remove students accused of felonies (especially those crimes pertaining to sexual assault) until the cases can be heard in a court of law! If that means the district pays for at-home tutoring (to safeguard the rights of the accused to an education under the Constitution), then sobeit! we can pull a few grand from the $12M + we've spent on overtime for the new high school so we don't have split shifts  |
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2009 16:09:28 GMT -6
So then you believe they have done all they can do correctly- and the super's knowing in November and it being addressed in February is OK by you ? Also refusing to meet with the parents ? Want to make sure I'm not 'projecting' And why I absolutely agree that parents OWN responsibility for everything with their child- we pay HUGE property taxes for our education school district - there are things they are responsible for also - safety in the classroom would be one of those...so I am not ready to absolve them of any responsibility doc...there is not a lot of solid information out there to go off. there also is a lot of hearsay and rumor. All I have to go by is what is on public record. You don't know that nothing was done till february and DD just sent you a message saying otherwise. Did you want an email from DD in november warning all the parents there was an "alleged attack outside of the school, but don't worry we are taking care of it?" If I were a parent at Gregory, I would have appreciated an email regarding an "alleged attack" outside of the school involving students. What harm would have come of that? District 203 did a wonderful job (in the media) and through the school email listserve for Lincoln of communicating information to parents that might be concerned. It took district 203 "a few days" to come up a reasonable response. Dr. Daeschner won't even have a meeting with the victim's family. Dr. Leis publishes his phone number and email address for anyone that is concerned. Sorry, my opinion is Dr. DoNothing needs to go. Where is Mr. PR guy when we really need him??? ______________________________ "While we are morally and legally responsible for protecting the privacy rights of all our students and families, we are simultaneously aware that this has become an unusually high-profile situation with strong emotional impact for many," stated Leis. "Although we can't discuss the details of this particular situation for reasons of confidentiality, we want you, the parents of Lincoln students, to be aware of two things."First, we take great lengths to ensure that all students attending our schools are, by residence, legally entitled to be there," continued Leis. "That is the case in this situation." A District 203 official later confirmed that the student now resides with a parent who lives in the Lincoln attendance area. "Second," added Leis, "because we were alerted to this possibility several days ago, we have had time to plan."Leis said the district has worked with the staffs at both schools, as well as the student, his parent, and numerous other resources, including attorneys and local law enforcement officials, to develop a "comprehensive plan to monitor and address instructional and safety issues related to this situation."Leis concluded his statement by asking resident to "be careful not to succumb to unfounded rumors," and direct questions or concerns directly to him at 630-420-6311 or aleis@naperville203.org."I may not be able to give you all the answers you are hoping for (due to reasons of confidentiality), but either I or a senior staff member will do our best to respond to you as quickly as possible," Leis said. |
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Post by d204mom on Feb 26, 2009 16:13:33 GMT -6
Honestly, I am offended (AGAIN) by this email. It just makes it so obvious that the Admin / SB believe they are dealing with unintelligent parents. Give me a break! We have all read the newspapers and watched the news coverage on this. We KNOW the father of the accused was forced by the inaction of this Admin. / SB to sign that document to protect his son to the best of his LEGAL ability. Seriously . Dr. D. really thinks we all are stupid. Spin all you want to Dr. D.  It is the parents responsibility to go any length he can through the police and court system to rectify the situation. not the SD. the parents and others are letting emotions run amok and projecting onto the school board...others who are SB "haters" are using any piece of info they can get and are spinning it in a direction to bolster that feeling. The district has said what their stand is from a legal perspective at the meeting as well as sending out a press release later to answer parent's concerns. I thought parents that pursued legal means to protect their children were to be ridiculed, tarred, feathered, and locked out of meetings. Oh, I guess that's how these parents HAVE been treated. At least Daeschner and this board are consistent. "Fence that baby off." |
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Post by treehugger on Feb 26, 2009 16:38:54 GMT -6
Steckdad, I totally hear what you are saying, but I think you should consider this. These parents (and any parents who choose to publically address their needs and concerns), whether they realize it or not, did this for the benefit of the community. They wanted the community to hear their story because they wanted the community to understand what happened to their child and how they were dealt with by the school district. While you can defend the school board and the administration all you want, it is important for people to realize what they will face should a crisis involving their child unfold. And I think it is the process of handling this crisis, as well as the awlful event itself, that we as a community would like to correct. It can be corrected by a better handling of policy and by more proactive and compassionate efforts on the part of our school board and admnistration. Furthermore, it goes without saying that from a public relations standpoint our distrct leaders could have done better. If you point blank asked any of the people currently on the board who are running again, namely CV and CP if they would have done anything differently and they say no, I would not vote for them.
I would like to add one more comment. One of the reason M2 likes a consensus is that he can't handle the conflict of his opinions. Literally, he can't handle it when someone disagrees with him. He flies off the handle, he rants and raves, and he gets downright insulting. To this end, he wants a consensus of opinion, for his own benefit. So, regardless of who wins or loses in this election, it is important that he does not stay on as President of the board.
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2009 20:43:44 GMT -6
It is the parents responsibility to go any length he can through the police and court system to rectify the situation. not the SD. the parents and others are letting emotions run amok and projecting onto the school board...others who are SB "haters" are using any piece of info they can get and are spinning it in a direction to bolster that feeling. The district has said what their stand is from a legal perspective at the meeting as well as sending out a press release later to answer parent's concerns. I thought parents that pursued legal means to protect their children were to be ridiculed, tarred, feathered, and locked out of meetings. Oh, I guess that's how these parents HAVE been treated. At least Daeschner and this board are consistent. "Fence that baby off." This is just the continuation of the "sit down and shut up" dictatorship that some of us have experienced. Time for change. In my opinion Dr. D. needs to go and the only way to do that is to elect a new majority on the school board. |
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2009 21:23:21 GMT -6
Steckdad, I totally hear what you are saying, but I think you should consider this. These parents (and any parents who choose to publically address their needs and concerns), whether they realize it or not, did this for the benefit of the community. They wanted the community to hear their story because they wanted the community to understand what happened to their child and how they were dealt with by the school district. While you can defend the school board and the administration all you want, it is important for people to realize what they will face should a crisis involving their child unfold. And I think it is the process of handling this crisis, as well as the awlful event itself, that we as a community would like to correct. It can be corrected by a better handling of policy and by more proactive and compassionate efforts on the part of our school board and admnistration. Furthermore, it goes without saying that from a public relations standpoint our distrct leaders could have done better. If you point blank asked any of the people currently on the board who are running again, namely CV and CP if they would have done anything differently and they say no, I would not vote for them. I would like to add one more comment. One of the reason M2 likes a consensus is that he can't handle the conflict of his opinions. Literally, he can't handle it when someone disagrees with him. He flies off the handle, he rants and raves, and he gets downright insulting. To this end, he wants a consensus of opinion, for his own benefit. So, regardless of who wins or loses in this election, it is important that he does not stay on as President of the board. Bingo! couldn't agree more treehugger.  Nice post. |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 26, 2009 22:32:21 GMT -6
Steckdad, I totally hear what you are saying, but I think you should consider this. These parents (and any parents who choose to publically address their needs and concerns), whether they realize it or not, did this for the benefit of the community. They wanted the community to hear their story because they wanted the community to understand what happened to their child and how they were dealt with by the school district. While you can defend the school board and the administration all you want, it is important for people to realize what they will face should a crisis involving their child unfold. And I think it is the process of handling this crisis, as well as the awlful event itself, that we as a community would like to correct. It can be corrected by a better handling of policy and by more proactive and compassionate efforts on the part of our school board and admnistration. Furthermore, it goes without saying that from a public relations standpoint our distrct leaders could have done better. If you point blank asked any of the people currently on the board who are running again, namely CV and CP if they would have done anything differently and they say no, I would not vote for them. I would like to add one more comment. One of the reason M2 likes a consensus is that he can't handle the conflict of his opinions. Literally, he can't handle it when someone disagrees with him. He flies off the handle, he rants and raves, and he gets downright insulting. To this end, he wants a consensus of opinion, for his own benefit. So, regardless of who wins or loses in this election, it is important that he does not stay on as President of the board. treehugger.... thanks for the well thought out and mature response. I don't know how I would react in the parent's shoes. I am sure they are upset with the process. But The process would be the same in any district...for example...if 203's policy so great, why is this kid allowed to stay at lincoln with a trial pending??? Also as far as M2..my conclusion is that it doesn't matter what M2's opinion is because he is acting (right or wrong) to protect the district. that is the job he was voted in to do. I agree he could have more compassion, but that is a different issue all together. |
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Post by steckdad on Feb 26, 2009 22:36:39 GMT -6
For the record before anymore posters fly off the handle with ridiculous accusations. If the Kids are guilty they should be punished. Also, I have said several times that I have sympathy for the alleged victim and his parents and could not be sure what my reaction would be if it was my kid.
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Post by steckdad on Feb 26, 2009 22:38:01 GMT -6
doc...there is not a lot of solid information out there to go off. there also is a lot of hearsay and rumor. All I have to go by is what is on public record. You don't know that nothing was done till february and DD just sent you a message saying otherwise. Did you want an email from DD in november warning all the parents there was an "alleged attack outside of the school, but don't worry we are taking care of it?" If I were a parent at Gregory, I would have appreciated an email regarding an "alleged attack" outside of the school involving students. What harm would have come of that? District 203 did a wonderful job (in the media) and through the school email listserve for Lincoln of communicating information to parents that might be concerned. It took district 203 "a few days" to come up a reasonable response. Dr. Daeschner won't even have a meeting with the victim's family. Dr. Leis publishes his phone number and email address for anyone that is concerned. Sorry, my opinion is Dr. DoNothing needs to go. Where is Mr. PR guy when we really need him??? ______________________________ "While we are morally and legally responsible for protecting the privacy rights of all our students and families, we are simultaneously aware that this has become an unusually high-profile situation with strong emotional impact for many," stated Leis. "Although we can't discuss the details of this particular situation for reasons of confidentiality, we want you, the parents of Lincoln students, to be aware of two things."First, we take great lengths to ensure that all students attending our schools are, by residence, legally entitled to be there," continued Leis. "That is the case in this situation." A District 203 official later confirmed that the student now resides with a parent who lives in the Lincoln attendance area. "Second," added Leis, "because we were alerted to this possibility several days ago, we have had time to plan."Leis said the district has worked with the staffs at both schools, as well as the student, his parent, and numerous other resources, including attorneys and local law enforcement officials, to develop a "comprehensive plan to monitor and address instructional and safety issues related to this situation."Leis concluded his statement by asking resident to "be careful not to succumb to unfounded rumors," and direct questions or concerns directly to him at 630-420-6311 or aleis@naperville203.org."I may not be able to give you all the answers you are hoping for (due to reasons of confidentiality), but either I or a senior staff member will do our best to respond to you as quickly as possible," Leis said. Macy..if 203 is so great..why is the kid being allowed to step foot in lincoln MS??? |
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Post by macy on Feb 26, 2009 23:10:00 GMT -6
If I were a parent at Gregory, I would have appreciated an email regarding an "alleged attack" outside of the school involving students. What harm would have come of that? District 203 did a wonderful job (in the media) and through the school email listserve for Lincoln of communicating information to parents that might be concerned. It took district 203 "a few days" to come up a reasonable response. Dr. Daeschner won't even have a meeting with the victim's family. Dr. Leis publishes his phone number and email address for anyone that is concerned. Sorry, my opinion is Dr. DoNothing needs to go. Where is Mr. PR guy when we really need him??? ______________________________ "While we are morally and legally responsible for protecting the privacy rights of all our students and families, we are simultaneously aware that this has become an unusually high-profile situation with strong emotional impact for many," stated Leis. "Although we can't discuss the details of this particular situation for reasons of confidentiality, we want you, the parents of Lincoln students, to be aware of two things."First, we take great lengths to ensure that all students attending our schools are, by residence, legally entitled to be there," continued Leis. "That is the case in this situation." A District 203 official later confirmed that the student now resides with a parent who lives in the Lincoln attendance area. "Second," added Leis, "because we were alerted to this possibility several days ago, we have had time to plan."Leis said the district has worked with the staffs at both schools, as well as the student, his parent, and numerous other resources, including attorneys and local law enforcement officials, to develop a "comprehensive plan to monitor and address instructional and safety issues related to this situation."Leis concluded his statement by asking resident to "be careful not to succumb to unfounded rumors," and direct questions or concerns directly to him at 630-420-6311 or aleis@naperville203.org."I may not be able to give you all the answers you are hoping for (due to reasons of confidentiality), but either I or a senior staff member will do our best to respond to you as quickly as possible," Leis said. Macy..if 203 is so great..why is the kid being allowed to step foot in lincoln MS??? Maybe you missed my point. I was calling out the differences in the manner in which Dr. Leis and Dr. Daeschner have communicated to the parents in their respective districts regarding this situation. My post had NOTHING to do with 203 being " so great" that they allowed (your words) " the kid" into Lincoln. Reread my post. And what's up with " the kid" reference? I never referred to anyone as " the kid". ETA: It's time for change. And, seriously, what happened to Mr. PR guy? I would think he'd be pretty busy lately considering what's going on? Did he get fired? |
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Post by slp on Feb 27, 2009 7:38:33 GMT -6
D203, 204 plan alternative school www.suburbanchicagonews.com/naper....SKUL_S1.articleFebruary 27, 2009 By TIM WALDORF twaldorf@scn1.com Naperville School District 203 and Indian Prairie School District 204 are collaborating in the development of a new, alternative middle school they hope to open next year. The new program would cost each district an estimated $130,000 to get started. Administrators presented preliminary plans for the program to the District 203 board at its meeting last week. The alternative middle school would be located within Indian Plains Alternative High School, would use District 204's curriculum, and would serve roughly 30 seventh and eighth graders, combined, from the two school systems. It would be a one-year program designed for students who have not been successful in the traditional middle school program, but would not include students who have a pattern of physical violence. The intent is to provide a program for students who may benefit academically in a smaller, structured educational environment -- one that is conducive to a variety of learning styles and helps students make appropriate choices and experience success. "There are so few spots and we are just starting next year, so one of the dilemmas would be to just focus in particular on some kids that are really struggling and at risk for being expelled. But it would also provide an alternative for kids who are expelled, and some of those have good academic records," said District 203 Superintendent Alan Leis of the students who would be served by the program. "We're just trying to keep these kids in the district. That's what our thoughts were," he added. Keeping some of these students in their districts rather than sending them to out-of-district behavioral schools could lead to significant savings. While the projected per-pupil expenditure of $10,000 to $11,000 for students in the program would be a bit higher than District 203's average of $9,790, it would be significantly less than the $20,000 to $30,000 per student the district must pay when it sends kids to those out-of-district behavioral schools. And administrators believe a program of their own creation that only serves students they believe will thrive within it -- students who may have been expelled, but also students who just aren't succeeding in a normal school setting -- will provide them educational benefits these students wouldn't get at the behavioral schools. "By providing them with a curriculum that is used by all of the other students in a school district, we think we could provide them with an academic background that would better meet their needs," said District 203 Student Intervention Programs Director Jim Caudill, who has worked with District 204 Director of Secondary Education Kevin Meyers in developing the program. "Again, this is only a framework," Caudill said. "There is a lot of work that has to be done to this to get it ready to go." BY THE NUMBERS: 11 Number of sixth-, seventh- and eighth-graders expelled from District 203 schools in the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years, combined. 6 Number of those expulsions who were special education students. Link to Post - Back to Top Logged |
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Nice post.