One More Time on No Varsity Sports @ MVHS

[doctorwho]

Mar 25, 2009 10:26:49 GMT -6 gatordog said:

Mar 11, 2009 15:44:15 GMT -6 gatordog said:

team solution to a team problem

thanks, doc, for the background with St C N. Good precedent with the conference. I absolutely would support MV fielding varsity girls soccer and softball, if the admin thinks they would be competitive (my gut says they would be).

As I said before, I think this is certainly the way to go, as opposed to some cumbersome "exception" policy.....which MV admin has already said is not going to happen. (Ref MV parents mtg discussion comments from green message board)

I dont know if I made the point early, but I think it is important: I think girls sports probably have a better chance of having the freshman & sophs compete at varsity level, just because of girls physically developing faster than boys. So just because some teams would be appropriately competitive (girls soccer, softball) that is not saying that others would be (boys soccer, baseball).

I think St C N did it exactly right. Maybe MV can do it just that same way. I think there is time to make that happen.

you have to include girls basketball and volleyball in that as well as they are totally club dominated sports. There is still plenty of time schedule for fall- the schedules are not complete yet - I confirmed that.
Also boys soccer I believe would be just as competitive because again, many soccer club players do not play senior year due to scheduling conflicts ( some also don't play jr year) so squads are dominated by younger players anyway.

thank you for being fair in your evaluation of this. For some- nothing is a good example - everything is somehow an exception.


And remember at the AD pointed out - they were able to do this even after ST Charles East had to move into their school for the rest of the year - think of those logistics - what a nightmare that had to be- yet it didn't stop them from doing what is right. I hope the AD has the shackles taken off and is given the opportunity here as well.

let' give these kids a chance. I believe it is good for the whole school- but then what the hell do I know I guess.
I agree this way is less cumbersome and better overall for the school long term - however if they don't do it then I believe the exception process ( and I understand people are already writing letters) - should be in place.

[gatordog]

I am going to guess that for these two sports at St C N (girls soccer, softball), that they fielded for that first yr a Varsity Team and a JV team, as opposed to a JV Team and Freshman team. So really there is no cost, same staff requirements, etc. Again, if you ask me, this seems quite doable. But also, I would defer to the sports administrators on which teams this is appropriate for (sounds like the AD has good reason to believe there are two sports that is appropriate for!)

[gatordog]

Mar 25, 2009 10:33:02 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

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you have to include girls basketball and volleyball in that as well as they are totally club dominated sports. There is still plenty of time schedule for fall- the schedules are not complete yet - I confirmed that.
Also boys soccer I believe would be just as competitive

these sports are good examples, too.

I would hope some boys sports (if appropriate) could be done. I dont want this to be seen as too favorable to the girls, and not "fair" to the boys.

Wow, how times have changed, to think that girls might see "favoritism" when it comes to HS sports.....who would have ever thought that day would come!

[doctorwho]

Mar 25, 2009 10:37:06 GMT -6 gatordog said:

I am going to guess that for these two sports at St C N (girls soccer, softball), that they fielded for that first yr a Varsity Team and a JV team, as opposed to a JV Team and Freshman team. So really there is no cost, same staff requirements, etc. Again, if you ask me, this seems quite doable. But also, I would defer to the sports administrators on which teams this is appropriate for (sounds like the AD has good reason to believe there are two sports that is appropriate for!)

parents had been complaining since the volleyball and basketball girls did not get that chance and those parents said they would be competitive also - so he corrected the wrong done to them as soon as he had the chance , which was spring. So it wasn't so much the sport choice as the first opportunity to do something not originally in the plans. Let's learn from that school not putting it in the plans and realizing they were missing an opportunity for the school and the kids. Can you imagine the elation when the 1st year soccer team beat their in town rivals and future state champs ?

I wish our admin would defer to him for his ability to do this - rather than restrict him. They hired someone very skilled for the job- let him do it.

I couldn't check for all rosters that far back but I am going to assume you are right. Like he said MV would have freshman A, freshman B and soph teams for team sports. Thats 30-36 kids for VB-BB more for soccer- so I would see no need for 2 freshman teams -- I could see a JV/Varsity team and one soph and 1 fresh. The coaches would be better judges based on what they have but I doubt there'd be enough kids there to field more than 3 teams in each - so you'd be right - no additional coaching impact year 1. And except for volleyball where they still haven't hired anyone - the lead coaches are already all varsity level coaches in place.

We have a chance to do it now

[doctorwho]

Mar 25, 2009 10:43:35 GMT -6 gatordog said:

Mar 25, 2009 10:33:02 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

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you have to include girls basketball and volleyball in that as well as they are totally club dominated sports. There is still plenty of time schedule for fall- the schedules are not complete yet - I confirmed that.
Also boys soccer I believe would be just as competitive

these sports are good examples, too.

I would hope some boys sports (if appropriate) could be done. I dont want this to be seen as too favorable to the girls, and not "fair" to the boys.

Wow, how times have changed, to think that girls might see "favoritism" when it comes to HS sports.....who would have ever thought that day would come!

Title Ix - gotta love it - but yes - quite the change over time.

I absolutely don't want to leave the boys out - that's not what this 'crusade' I started in 2005 is all about. I want them all to get the opportuniy. I think the boys soccer would be competittive for the reasons I stated - volleyball and basketball somewhat less due to when boys grow and height - but again strong club sports and they will likely get beat by the strong teams, but not the weaker ones.

Football is the one where the issue is most prohibitive -- but then likely very few make the varsity teams today in football either - but I will defer that to a football parent- as I do not want to speak from them- it is not my sport of expertise kid wise

[steckdad]

Mar 25, 2009 10:26:45 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 25, 2009 10:10:39 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

my only problem here is you continue to point out special or rare cases. this is not the norm. I could probably find a similar scenario where the teams were the doormat of the league.

well why don't you do that then - this is the BEST example around here of the last d**n HS to open with freshman and sophomores. Show me one with all club players that has a worse record -- anywhere instead of calling this a rare example. This area IS NOT bumpkinville somewhere-

How is St Charles north a rare or special case ? They fielded 2 teams and they did excellently - just as the parents said they would. Sorry, but that response is lame. Face it - admit it - NOTHING will ever be good enough for you to admit these kids deserve the opportunity just like everyone else in the district.

I freakin' give up - sorry for trying to bring some sunshine to this crappy situation.. Nobody's gonna move the d**n thing- I really hate this whole protective of the mothership scenario. Killer here is your kids and your area not affected.
Yep- fairness all around - as long as it isn't for our areas kids...screw them as many ways as one can -- how special

first of all, I already said if the team could be competitive I would be all for it.

secondly, it would be rare because we are talking about two teams out of how many varsity sports at SCE?

thirdly the rest of your post is complete rubbish and does not deserve a reply.

[researching]

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

[doctorwho]

Mar 25, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -6 researching said:

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

See researchng - some people don't give a rat's behind about your kid, my kid - anyone's kid -- they are so focused on this d**n school because somehow they feel every question is an attack that somehow is going to move 'their Neuqua' away from them.
Their resilient don't you know- they have no feelings...so sit down and shut up and take one for the team. Really as the class of 2012 gets closer to moving the more this attitude nauseates me as the selfishness and political protectionalism it is. I am sorry your child has to go through this - trust me I am. I keep doing what I can, unearthing alternatives - but don't you know - they are just the positive exceptions I find - even if they are in our own back yard and having been run by the person now an AD here- and that is not good enough for some either. Fact is: nothing is good enough. The collective mind is made up -

My heart goes out to all parents of the class of 2012 - you are being asked to ignore what's best for your child...not an easy thing to do. Oh yeah - and you should be happy about it don't you know ?

[doctorwho]

Mar 25, 2009 22:37:58 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 25, 2009 10:26:45 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

well why don't you do that then - this is the BEST example around here of the last d**n HS to open with freshman and sophomores. Show me one with all club players that has a worse record -- anywhere instead of calling this a rare example. This area IS NOT bumpkinville somewhere-

How is St Charles north a rare or special case ? They fielded 2 teams and they did excellently - just as the parents said they would. Sorry, but that response is lame. Face it - admit it - NOTHING will ever be good enough for you to admit these kids deserve the opportunity just like everyone else in the district.

I freakin' give up - sorry for trying to bring some sunshine to this crappy situation.. Nobody's gonna move the d**n thing- I really hate this whole protective of the mothership scenario. Killer here is your kids and your area not affected.
Yep- fairness all around - as long as it isn't for our areas kids...screw them as many ways as one can -- how special

first of all, I already said if the team could be competitive I would be all for it.

secondly, it would be rare because we are talking about two teams out of how many varsity sports at SCE?

thirdly the rest of your post is complete rubbish and does not deserve a reply.

- - you know darn well they only fielded these two teams because the parents pushed them- as they too had an admin with a closed mind. How did it work out ? Both were winning teams--
BTW- it was SCN not SCE- did you misread ? They only had the 2 varsity teams Oh and 2 playoff teams out of 2 - that's already more than most schools even if the teams theoretically wouldn't have been more competitive.

As for other sports since these sports tend to follow by area - SCE also won 2 state girls volleyball titles over a 4 year period -- the area is also large in club for that sport like we are. So they most likely also would have been very successful.

face it - you are going to follow the party line no matter what - the admin says no - so it is no. that's your call- and you are welcome to it - but just admit it and stop trying to find stuff that doesn't add up.

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Your criteria is that they HAVE to be competitive.

Some teams in the UEC have not had playoff teams in years let alone 2.

Why would you do that when there are 100's of uncompettive teams right now in our conference alone. Why single them out ?

Maybe this should apply then for existing varsity teams- if Waubonsie doesn't think their xxx team will be competitive should they not field a team that year ? Why not - it's what you're putting on MV ?

How do you know they're going to be competitive or not ? What about if 50% + of the team is club players ? 25% ? 100% where does one draw the line

Does the varsity experience mean nothing ? What is more important winning or the experience of varsity competition representing ones' school.
If it's winning only -- then we need to get rid of some teams at every school.

You're missing the point here- it is about equal opportunity and school pride....not sure why this is not clear

[casey]

Mar 25, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -6 researching said:

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

You're absolutely right, researching. I appreciate your heartfelt comments. Unfortunately, like you I have a child from 2012 caught up in the mess. It's not fair and something really should be done.

I know it will never happen now but the SB/Admin should really have explored opening MV with freshmen only. No kid should be forced to move schools. To those of you that say well that's how NV was done, well I'd say well couldn't we learn something from that? It's not right PERIOD.

I've said it a million times but the class of 2012 is getting screwed. They are not getting a fair HS experience - none of them. The freshmen kids that stay at NV will be losing many of their friends as some are forced to move to WV. The kids that stay at WV lose many of their friends that move to MV. The kids that are expected to move to WV are getting screwed as they lose many of their friends from NV and their connection to their existing school whether it be sports, music, theater, academics, clubs, etc. Finally, the kids that are expected to move to MV from WV are getting the biggest screw. They go to a completely unfinished HS without the same opportunities and they lose many of their existing friends from WV. How is this fair?

[we4]

Another freshman on varsity gets the job done. Sorry DoctorWho.
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www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/sports/highschools/1496628,waubonsie-soccer-loses_na032509.article

Central snaps Waubonsie's unbeaten streak

Today Ed Watson looks like a genius. His decision to elevate freshman Gina Maddi from the Naperville Central junior varsity team Wednesday night looks divinely inspired now.

All Maddi did in her varsity debut was score the winning goal in a 1-0 victory over Waubonsie Valley at North Central College. It was the nightcap of the District 203/204 Crossover doubleheader on a night that benefited breast cancer awareness.

Maddi's goal came from 30 yards out with 2 minutes, 19 seconds remaining to end the Warriors' unbeaten streak at 59 games.

"I guarantee that for everybody who's going to say what a great move that was (to bring Maddi up), there are plenty of people going, 'Well, you're the idiot who waited until game five to give her a chance,'" Watson said.

Maddi didn't even know she was going to be playing in the varsity game until she was told on the way to the stadium. So new to the varsity arena, Maddi didn't even know the significance her goal carried.

Her first varsity goal will be remembered as the one that knocked off the Warriors, the two-time defending state champions who entered the season ranked first in the nation in two polls.

"I don't know as much about Waubonsie as the others do, so I guess this is pretty shocking," Maddi said. "I was very nervous in the beginning but I just came out and played."

Maddi scored after Jessica Rubin sent a pass forward. Maddi dug it away from a defender and ripped the long shot to beat Claire Hanold, who finished with two saves.

"I just turned and shot and what do you know, everybody's cheering for me,”" Maddi said. "I didn't even see the ball go in."

For much of the night the Warriors (1-1) controlled the ball. But they couldn't get behind the Redhawks defense and managed only three shots on goal — all in the first half.

Their offense took a hit when midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo missed a large chunk of the second half after suffering a calf cramp. They also continue to play without Bri Rodriguez, who hasn't returned from a torn ACL in her left knee suffered last spring.

The Warriors also lost Rachel Bostick to an ankle injury in the 79th minute. Bostick had to be helped off the field after turning her left ankle while inside the Central penalty area.

As the final second ticked off the clock, the Redhawks fans counted down. And as the horn sounded, the players erupted in celebration as the Warriors walked off the field, many with their heads down.

"Central came out and got after it," said Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom, whose team lost for the first time since May 19, 2007. "We know it's the beginning of the season, it's the second game. We have to be realistic about our injuries and where we are."

Central improved to 4-1 with the victory.

Neuqua Valley 1, Naperville North 0

In Wednesday's opener, the Wildcats got a goal from sophomore Megan Oyster in the 42nd minute and handed the Huskies their first loss of the season.

While Oyster's goal was the difference against the Huskies (3-1-1), she wasn't about to hog the spotlight and steal the glory from Eileen Doyle, who drew several defenders to her before slipping the ball over to an open Oyster.

"I think it was all Eileen, basically," Oyster said. "I was standing in the box and she passed it right to me. All I had to do was slot it in the corner."

The goal stood up for the Wildcats, who were playing in their season opener.

It took Neuqua some time to warm up and the Huskies had several first-half scoring attempts that were turned aside by goalie Rachel Suther. Her biggest save came in the 38th minute when she stopped Hunter Drendel against the near post.

Suther was replaced by Alexa Gaul for the second half and both goalies finished with four saves. Gaul made two of those in the final three minutes to preserve the shutout.

"We definitely had our chances to finish," said North coach Brent Terada, whose team gave up its first goal of the season. "Unfortunately we weren't able to capitalize on that. We were knocking on the door a few times and then a better touch here, better touch there... but not a bad effort."

North goalie Lailaa Mahmud finished with six saves. Neuqua used two goalies, Rachel Suther and Alexa Gaul, and both finished with four saves.

The Huskies are now 3-1-1.

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 11:42:47 GMT -6 we4 said:

Another freshman on varsity gets the job done. Sorry DoctorWho.
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www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/sports/highschools/1496628,waubonsie-soccer-loses_na032509.article

Central snaps Waubonsie's unbeaten streak

Today Ed Watson looks like a genius. His decision to elevate freshman Gina Maddi from the Naperville Central junior varsity team Wednesday night looks divinely inspired now.

All Maddi did in her varsity debut was score the winning goal in a 1-0 victory over Waubonsie Valley at North Central College. It was the nightcap of the District 203/204 Crossover doubleheader on a night that benefited breast cancer awareness.

Maddi's goal came from 30 yards out with 2 minutes, 19 seconds remaining to end the Warriors' unbeaten streak at 59 games.

"I guarantee that for everybody who's going to say what a great move that was (to bring Maddi up), there are plenty of people going, 'Well, you're the idiot who waited until game five to give her a chance,'" Watson said.

Maddi didn't even know she was going to be playing in the varsity game until she was told on the way to the stadium. So new to the varsity arena, Maddi didn't even know the significance her goal carried.

Her first varsity goal will be remembered as the one that knocked off the Warriors, the two-time defending state champions who entered the season ranked first in the nation in two polls.

"I don't know as much about Waubonsie as the others do, so I guess this is pretty shocking," Maddi said. "I was very nervous in the beginning but I just came out and played."

Maddi scored after Jessica Rubin sent a pass forward. Maddi dug it away from a defender and ripped the long shot to beat Claire Hanold, who finished with two saves.

"I just turned and shot and what do you know, everybody's cheering for me,”" Maddi said. "I didn't even see the ball go in."

For much of the night the Warriors (1-1) controlled the ball. But they couldn't get behind the Redhawks defense and managed only three shots on goal — all in the first half.

Their offense took a hit when midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo missed a large chunk of the second half after suffering a calf cramp. They also continue to play without Bri Rodriguez, who hasn't returned from a torn ACL in her left knee suffered last spring.

The Warriors also lost Rachel Bostick to an ankle injury in the 79th minute. Bostick had to be helped off the field after turning her left ankle while inside the Central penalty area.

As the final second ticked off the clock, the Redhawks fans counted down. And as the horn sounded, the players erupted in celebration as the Warriors walked off the field, many with their heads down.

"Central came out and got after it," said Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom, whose team lost for the first time since May 19, 2007. "We know it's the beginning of the season, it's the second game. We have to be realistic about our injuries and where we are."

Central improved to 4-1 with the victory.

Neuqua Valley 1, Naperville North 0

In Wednesday's opener, the Wildcats got a goal from sophomore Megan Oyster in the 42nd minute and handed the Huskies their first loss of the season.

While Oyster's goal was the difference against the Huskies (3-1-1), she wasn't about to hog the spotlight and steal the glory from Eileen Doyle, who drew several defenders to her before slipping the ball over to an open Oyster.

"I think it was all Eileen, basically," Oyster said. "I was standing in the box and she passed it right to me. All I had to do was slot it in the corner."

The goal stood up for the Wildcats, who were playing in their season opener.

It took Neuqua some time to warm up and the Huskies had several first-half scoring attempts that were turned aside by goalie Rachel Suther. Her biggest save came in the 38th minute when she stopped Hunter Drendel against the near post.

Suther was replaced by Alexa Gaul for the second half and both goalies finished with four saves. Gaul made two of those in the final three minutes to preserve the shutout.

"We definitely had our chances to finish," said North coach Brent Terada, whose team gave up its first goal of the season. "Unfortunately we weren't able to capitalize on that. We were knocking on the door a few times and then a better touch here, better touch there... but not a bad effort."

North goalie Lailaa Mahmud finished with six saves. Neuqua used two goalies, Rachel Suther and Alexa Gaul, and both finished with four saves.

The Huskies are now 3-1-1.

sigh ! I am happy for this girl- what a way to start a career with the winning goal over the #1 ranked team in the country. Of course she'd be better off playing freshman ball -

of course you will hear this is an isolated instance. Even if there are a million isolated instances it's not 100% you know.

[Arch]

Don't forget the proverbial can of worms... you know, MILLIONS OF KIDS will want their sports exception too.. you know.. those kids that are not even coming in the system...

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 7:16:48 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 25, 2009 22:37:58 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

first of all, I already said if the team could be competitive I would be all for it.

secondly, it would be rare because we are talking about two teams out of how many varsity sports at SCE?

thirdly the rest of your post is complete rubbish and does not deserve a reply.

- - you know darn well they only fielded these two teams because the parents pushed them- as they too had an admin with a closed mind. How did it work out ? Both were winning teams--
BTW- it was SCN not SCE- did you misread ? They only had the 2 varsity teams Oh and 2 playoff teams out of 2 - that's already more than most schools even if the teams theoretically wouldn't have been more competitive.

As for other sports since these sports tend to follow by area - SCE also won 2 state girls volleyball titles over a 4 year period -- the area is also large in club for that sport like we are. So they most likely also would have been very successful.

face it - you are going to follow the party line no matter what - the admin says no - so it is no. that's your call- and you are welcome to it - but just admit it and stop trying to find stuff that doesn't add up.

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Your criteria is that they HAVE to be competitive.

Some teams in the UEC have not had playoff teams in years let alone 2.

Why would you do that when there are 100's of uncompettive teams right now in our conference alone. Why single them out ?

Maybe this should apply then for existing varsity teams- if Waubonsie doesn't think their xxx team will be competitive should they not field a team that year ? Why not - it's what you're putting on MV ?

How do you know they're going to be competitive or not ? What about if 50% + of the team is club players ? 25% ? 100% where does one draw the line

Does the varsity experience mean nothing ? What is more important winning or the experience of varsity competition representing ones' school.
If it's winning only -- then we need to get rid of some teams at every school.

You're missing the point here- it is about equal opportunity and school pride....not sure why this is not clear

not equal opportunity because what about those two kids coming over from WV that are good enough to play Varsity Basketball but there is no team. But hey look! girls Vball has a varsity team...how is that fair to all DOC?

also, plenty of school pride can be had on JV.

[steckdad]

Mar 25, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -6 researching said:

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

what sport or sports are having tryouts for the fall that your student would interested in trying out for?