One More Time on No Varsity Sports @ MVHS

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 8:39:41 GMT -6 casey said:

Mar 25, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -6 researching said:

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

You're absolutely right, researching. I appreciate your heartfelt comments. Unfortunately, like you I have a child from 2012 caught up in the mess. It's not fair and something really should be done.

I know it will never happen now but the SB/Admin should really have explored opening MV with freshmen only. No kid should be forced to move schools. To those of you that say well that's how NV was done, well I'd say well couldn't we learn something from that? It's not right PERIOD.

I've said it a million times but the class of 2012 is getting screwed. They are not getting a fair HS experience - none of them. The freshmen kids that stay at NV will be losing many of their friends as some are forced to move to WV. The kids that stay at WV lose many of their friends that move to MV. The kids that are expected to move to WV are getting screwed as they lose many of their friends from NV and their connection to their existing school whether it be sports, music, theater, academics, clubs, etc. Finally, the kids that are expected to move to MV from WV are getting the biggest screw. They go to a completely unfinished HS without the same opportunities and they lose many of their existing friends from WV. How is this fair?

casey..I am not saying kids are resilient or any of those things aforementioned in prior posts, but I will say this.

The parents attitudes to the move will play a huge part in how their child handles the move. A kid that hears they are being screwed every which way are going to be affected negatively vs. one that hears positive things from their parents IMO. yes the kids have a mind of their own, but the parents can have a big impact either way.

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 11:46:12 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 26, 2009 11:42:47 GMT -6 we4 said:

Another freshman on varsity gets the job done. Sorry DoctorWho.
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www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/sports/highschools/1496628,waubonsie-soccer-loses_na032509.article

Central snaps Waubonsie's unbeaten streak

Today Ed Watson looks like a genius. His decision to elevate freshman Gina Maddi from the Naperville Central junior varsity team Wednesday night looks divinely inspired now.

All Maddi did in her varsity debut was score the winning goal in a 1-0 victory over Waubonsie Valley at North Central College. It was the nightcap of the District 203/204 Crossover doubleheader on a night that benefited breast cancer awareness.

Maddi's goal came from 30 yards out with 2 minutes, 19 seconds remaining to end the Warriors' unbeaten streak at 59 games.

"I guarantee that for everybody who's going to say what a great move that was (to bring Maddi up), there are plenty of people going, 'Well, you're the idiot who waited until game five to give her a chance,'" Watson said.

Maddi didn't even know she was going to be playing in the varsity game until she was told on the way to the stadium. So new to the varsity arena, Maddi didn't even know the significance her goal carried.

Her first varsity goal will be remembered as the one that knocked off the Warriors, the two-time defending state champions who entered the season ranked first in the nation in two polls.

"I don't know as much about Waubonsie as the others do, so I guess this is pretty shocking," Maddi said. "I was very nervous in the beginning but I just came out and played."

Maddi scored after Jessica Rubin sent a pass forward. Maddi dug it away from a defender and ripped the long shot to beat Claire Hanold, who finished with two saves.

"I just turned and shot and what do you know, everybody's cheering for me,”" Maddi said. "I didn't even see the ball go in."

For much of the night the Warriors (1-1) controlled the ball. But they couldn't get behind the Redhawks defense and managed only three shots on goal — all in the first half.

Their offense took a hit when midfielder Vanessa DiBernardo missed a large chunk of the second half after suffering a calf cramp. They also continue to play without Bri Rodriguez, who hasn't returned from a torn ACL in her left knee suffered last spring.

The Warriors also lost Rachel Bostick to an ankle injury in the 79th minute. Bostick had to be helped off the field after turning her left ankle while inside the Central penalty area.

As the final second ticked off the clock, the Redhawks fans counted down. And as the horn sounded, the players erupted in celebration as the Warriors walked off the field, many with their heads down.

"Central came out and got after it," said Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom, whose team lost for the first time since May 19, 2007. "We know it's the beginning of the season, it's the second game. We have to be realistic about our injuries and where we are."

Central improved to 4-1 with the victory.

Neuqua Valley 1, Naperville North 0

In Wednesday's opener, the Wildcats got a goal from sophomore Megan Oyster in the 42nd minute and handed the Huskies their first loss of the season.

While Oyster's goal was the difference against the Huskies (3-1-1), she wasn't about to hog the spotlight and steal the glory from Eileen Doyle, who drew several defenders to her before slipping the ball over to an open Oyster.

"I think it was all Eileen, basically," Oyster said. "I was standing in the box and she passed it right to me. All I had to do was slot it in the corner."

The goal stood up for the Wildcats, who were playing in their season opener.

It took Neuqua some time to warm up and the Huskies had several first-half scoring attempts that were turned aside by goalie Rachel Suther. Her biggest save came in the 38th minute when she stopped Hunter Drendel against the near post.

Suther was replaced by Alexa Gaul for the second half and both goalies finished with four saves. Gaul made two of those in the final three minutes to preserve the shutout.

"We definitely had our chances to finish," said North coach Brent Terada, whose team gave up its first goal of the season. "Unfortunately we weren't able to capitalize on that. We were knocking on the door a few times and then a better touch here, better touch there... but not a bad effort."

North goalie Lailaa Mahmud finished with six saves. Neuqua used two goalies, Rachel Suther and Alexa Gaul, and both finished with four saves.

The Huskies are now 3-1-1.

sigh ! I am happy for this girl- what a way to start a career with the winning goal over the #1 ranked team in the country. Of course she'd be better off playing freshman ball -

of course you will hear this is an isolated instance. Even if there are a million isolated instances it's not 100% you know.

wow this is great! we should install varsity everything at MV now...

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 12:18:10 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 11:46:12 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

sigh ! I am happy for this girl- what a way to start a career with the winning goal over the #1 ranked team in the country. Of course she'd be better off playing freshman ball -

of course you will hear this is an isolated instance. Even if there are a million isolated instances it's not 100% you know.

wow this is great! we should install varsity everything at MV now...

you mean like a REAL high school experience ? what a concept

are you saying the kids don't deserve that ?

If so- move your kids there, I'm sure plenty of people will give you their slot.

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 12:14:44 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 8:39:41 GMT -6 casey said:

You're absolutely right, researching. I appreciate your heartfelt comments. Unfortunately, like you I have a child from 2012 caught up in the mess. It's not fair and something really should be done.

I know it will never happen now but the SB/Admin should really have explored opening MV with freshmen only. No kid should be forced to move schools. To those of you that say well that's how NV was done, well I'd say well couldn't we learn something from that? It's not right PERIOD.

I've said it a million times but the class of 2012 is getting screwed. They are not getting a fair HS experience - none of them. The freshmen kids that stay at NV will be losing many of their friends as some are forced to move to WV. The kids that stay at WV lose many of their friends that move to MV. The kids that are expected to move to WV are getting screwed as they lose many of their friends from NV and their connection to their existing school whether it be sports, music, theater, academics, clubs, etc. Finally, the kids that are expected to move to MV from WV are getting the biggest screw. They go to a completely unfinished HS without the same opportunities and they lose many of their existing friends from WV. How is this fair?

casey..I am not saying kids are resilient or any of those things aforementioned in prior posts, but I will say this.

The parents attitudes to the move will play a huge part in how their child handles the move. A kid that hears they are being screwed every which way are going to be affected negatively vs. one that hears positive things from their parents IMO. yes the kids have a mind of their own, but the parents can have a big impact either way.

Got it - we should lie to them --

We can also tell them C.O.D. is an equal school to Northwestern University --


great plan - makes me feel real good about that $10K in property taxes--getting my fair share.

I'm trying to make a better experience for them and you keep saying it's not needed- you need to make up your mind. Sorry, we can't sell a crappy experience as a good one unless there's something to sell. Maybe living up on Eola you like the shininess of the new school- but kids could give a rat's behind. My child going to a school over 100 years old- but at least it offers the kids there everything - not what a selfish few want to allot to them and tell them to be satisfied

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 12:28:31 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:14:44 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

casey..I am not saying kids are resilient or any of those things aforementioned in prior posts, but I will say this.

The parents attitudes to the move will play a huge part in how their child handles the move. A kid that hears they are being screwed every which way are going to be affected negatively vs. one that hears positive things from their parents IMO. yes the kids have a mind of their own, but the parents can have a big impact either way.

Got it - we should lie to them -- man you missed your calling - there were 4 Sb slots open.

We can also tell them C.O.D. is an equal school to Northwestern University --


great plan - makes me feel real good about that $10K in property taxes--getting my fair share

go ahead doc..be negative and miserable and pass that down to your family too..

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 12:24:00 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:18:10 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

wow this is great! we should install varsity everything at MV now...

you mean like a REAL high school experience ? what a concept

are you saying the kids don't deserve that ?

If so- move your kids there, I'm sure plenty of people will give you their slot.

go back and refer to my growing pains comment earlier.

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 12:40:30 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:24:00 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

you mean like a REAL high school experience ? what a concept

are you saying the kids don't deserve that ?

If so- move your kids there, I'm sure plenty of people will give you their slot.

go back and refer to my growing pains comment earlier.

spoken as someone whose area/kids not involved -- we should eliminate any of those we can- and these cost $ZERO

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 12:39:36 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:28:31 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Got it - we should lie to them -- man you missed your calling - there were 4 Sb slots open.

We can also tell them C.O.D. is an equal school to Northwestern University --


great plan - makes me feel real good about that $10K in property taxes--getting my fair share

go ahead doc..be negative and miserable and pass that down to your family too..

sorry, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining --

it's attitudes you're explaining making people miserable - I hope they somehow change things around and screw your area- and we'd see then how it feels.

yes I am negative about this and for d**n good reason - this whole district was screwed over with this deal- but some don't care. Heard today some have actually supported not building a gym if we are short money - I'm sure that'd be no issue for you either. Guess we'll hear this after the election too. Maybe I didn't read that on the ballot too ---The answer was we always knew we needed an operating ref --

I'm the hell out of here in 3 years (hopefully) - you can pay for this mess - enjoy and be happy

[researching]

Mar 26, 2009 12:07:43 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 25, 2009 22:55:44 GMT -6 researching said:

As we near the end of this school year I notice that the reality of the change in schools is starting to really hit my Class of 2012 student hard. After attending athletic banquets that excitedly discuss "next year" and receiving their school athletic letters/numbers, the isolation of the affected Class of 2012 students takes hold. Instead of fully enjoying the fruits of their labors and looking ahead to propelling forward as sophomores on the accomplishments of their freshman year, these students are faced with the reality that they will only be sophomores in name, and NOT in reputation. They will be virtual freshmen at their new schools. That replaces my previous anger with sadness for the needless sacrifice these children are being FORCED to make.

The situation is especially grim for these students as some tryouts are already being held for the fall of 2009 at WV. That is what leads me to posting in this thread. I know how hard it is on my child to hear fellow NV freshmen talk about next year. I can't begin to imagine how this must be on the current WV Class of 2012 students being FORCED to move to MV. NV has not started holding tryouts or informational meetings for the 2009-2010 school year. WV has. How do the affected WV Class of 2012 students feel about this? To my knowledge, MV has not started having extracurricular informational meetings. To me that means that if you are an active, involved WV student being FORCIBLY moved to MV, you would feel enormous isolation and concern over the fact that your fellow WV students are looking toward the future. A future you will not be fully a part of.

This situation is completely unfair to these kids. On top of that, it seems that some are completely insensitive to the needs of these students. Would it be so difficult to wait to hold these tryouts/meetings? What if MV doesn't open on time? That means that any student being forced to change schools will have missed out on the opportunity of being involved in these activities. Would a second tryout be held?

what sport or sports are having tryouts for the fall that your student would interested in trying out for?

prefer not to answer this one. My perspective should not influence the way my child is viewed. As I "joked" before...you could be M2 for all I know. This is an anonymous bulletin board. I have often advised my children not to respond to any "new" people instant messaging them because anyone can fake their identity on the internet and the reality is that the supposed "teenager" trying to talk is possibly a middle aged bald man surfing the web in his underwear! Therefore I will not be openly sharing specific information about my child. All one has to do is check out the WV website to gather their own info.

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 13:11:17 GMT -6 researching said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:07:43 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

what sport or sports are having tryouts for the fall that your student would interested in trying out for?

prefer not to answer this one. My perspective should not influence the way my child is viewed. As I "joked" before...you could be M2 for all I know. This is an anonymous bulletin board. I have often advised my children not to respond to any "new" people instant messaging them because anyone can fake their identity on the internet and the reality is that the supposed "teenager" trying to talk is possibly a middle aged bald man surfing the web in his underwear! Therefore I will not be openly sharing specific information about my child. All one has to do is check out the WV website to gather their own info.

nor should you researching - it should not matter which sport. There are already so many people fearful of 'retribution' for not towing the party line - and as silly as that sounds - I don't blame them.

[researching]

Mar 26, 2009 13:22:28 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 26, 2009 13:11:17 GMT -6 researching said:

prefer not to answer this one. My perspective should not influence the way my child is viewed. As I "joked" before...you could be M2 for all I know. This is an anonymous bulletin board. I have often advised my children not to respond to any "new" people instant messaging them because anyone can fake their identity on the internet and the reality is that the supposed "teenager" trying to talk is possibly a middle aged bald man surfing the web in his underwear! Therefore I will not be openly sharing specific information about my child. All one has to do is check out the WV website to gather their own info.

nor should you researching - it should not matter which sport. There are already so many people fearful of 'retribution' for not towing the party line - and as silly as that sounds - I don't blame them.

Over my MANY years of volunteering I have seen 'retribution' first hand in many different arenas. Office politics is not reserved for the office only.

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 13:11:17 GMT -6 researching said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:07:43 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

what sport or sports are having tryouts for the fall that your student would interested in trying out for?

prefer not to answer this one. My perspective should not influence the way my child is viewed. As I "joked" before...you could be M2 for all I know. This is an anonymous bulletin board. I have often advised my children not to respond to any "new" people instant messaging them because anyone can fake their identity on the internet and the reality is that the supposed "teenager" trying to talk is possibly a middle aged bald man surfing the web in his underwear! Therefore I will not be openly sharing specific information about my child. All one has to do is check out the WV website to gather their own info.

ok...just curious because the WV coaches would be nearsighted to hold tryouts without evaluating what talent is "on the way"
I couldn't imagine any coach worth his/her weight putting a team together with a new crop of talent in 2010

[steckdad]

Mar 26, 2009 12:48:43 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:39:36 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

go ahead doc..be negative and miserable and pass that down to your family too..

sorry, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining --

it's attitudes you're explaining making people miserable - I hope they somehow change things around and screw your area- and we'd see then how it feels.

yes I am negative about this and for d**n good reason - this whole district was screwed over with this deal- but some don't care. Heard today some have actually supported not building a gym if we are short money - I'm sure that'd be no issue for you either. Guess we'll hear this after the election too. Maybe I didn't read that on the ballot too ---The answer was we always knew we needed an operating ref --

I'm the hell out of here in 3 years (hopefully) - you can pay for this mess - enjoy and be happy

right now I see you as the pee....and the leg is the SD.

maybe you can go back in your time machine and unscrew the district...but somehow I think we will persevere without the negativity

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 14:43:45 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 13:11:17 GMT -6 researching said:

prefer not to answer this one. My perspective should not influence the way my child is viewed. As I "joked" before...you could be M2 for all I know. This is an anonymous bulletin board. I have often advised my children not to respond to any "new" people instant messaging them because anyone can fake their identity on the internet and the reality is that the supposed "teenager" trying to talk is possibly a middle aged bald man surfing the web in his underwear! Therefore I will not be openly sharing specific information about my child. All one has to do is check out the WV website to gather their own info.

ok...just curious because the WV coaches would be nearsighted to hold tryouts without evaluating what talent is "on the way"
I couldn't imagine any coach worth his/her weight putting a team together with a new crop of talent in 2010

I thought they didn't evaluate talent now and could never know who was varsity material or not before the school year - which is it ?

check the stock answer first

[doctorwho]

Mar 26, 2009 14:48:40 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

Mar 26, 2009 12:48:43 GMT -6 doctorwho said:

sorry, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining --

it's attitudes you're explaining making people miserable - I hope they somehow change things around and screw your area- and we'd see then how it feels.

yes I am negative about this and for d**n good reason - this whole district was screwed over with this deal- but some don't care. Heard today some have actually supported not building a gym if we are short money - I'm sure that'd be no issue for you either. Guess we'll hear this after the election too. Maybe I didn't read that on the ballot too ---The answer was we always knew we needed an operating ref --

I'm the hell out of here in 3 years (hopefully) - you can pay for this mess - enjoy and be happy

right now I see you as the pee....and the leg is the SD.

maybe you can go back in your time machine and unscrew the district...but somehow I think we will persevere without the negativity

you will because it doesn't affect you - make sure you stay in line with what your 'neighbor' wants you to say....I'm sure he's appreciative. Yep- lemming behavior is much better than questioning things.
I have no animosity towards the SD my friend and will say flat out I have likely donated more time and effort than you ever did. The problem is I love this SD- just some of our 'leaders' ( not all ) - are killing what spirit we had. You care not to take your head from the bucket- but others of us have..and don't like what we see. It's not YOUR SD- it belongs to all of us whether you like that or not.

I just hope I am around when one day the shoe is on the other foot - I really do because your tunnel vision deserves to have it's day also

I didn't realize pushing for varsity sports for ALL the kids at Metea was negative - only someone quite brainwashed would view it that way.