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Post by Arch on Mar 28, 2009 18:11:17 GMT -6
your on!!  I will help if we can ensure that the "the everyday Joe" players will have a choice/chance to play. Decision to either play JV or "step it up" and play varsity. If there is no choice (one team and its varsity only)..I am a little queasy about that. I would need to cogitate on that for a little bit. I know kids are gung ho, but Iwould feel better if the kids/parents had a choice/option in the matter. Options are always good... option to play up, or option to play down... Just like at the other 2 schools. |
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Post by SouthernWolf on Mar 28, 2009 18:19:00 GMT -6
. Also I think you may be underestimating boys soccer for success - again due to the fact the older kids usually don't play HS later in HS, as well as overestimating some competition in the UEC. . Yes soccer is big out here (club teams etc.) and that could be the one boys team that might have a shot. Need about 4 wiz kids in key postions to be competitive (Keeper, defender/midfielder and Striker/forward. I am not familiar with the HS club teams U 16 to U 19 and how many teams play up etc. My kids play travel soccer but its at the U-9 level and younger. Some of the U 9 teams are pretty damn good and some play up one year (U-10) its interesting though by the time the kids are U 12/U 13 it is VERY RARE that any teams move up a year (example U 12 team playing U 13) in the Northern Illnois Soccer League (NISL). and even if the rare team does, I havent seen any move up TWO Years. I did see a U 16 team in an indoor league play U-18. They finished below 500 and that was just an indoor "practice league" so to speak and it was not in the main Fall outdoor or Spring Outdoor seasons |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 28, 2009 22:29:22 GMT -6
too rich for my blood as I'm really not much of a betting person but I would be willing to say at least 1 team will have a .500 or better record yes. Loser buys dinner at the restaurant of choice in the area. If we can make this happen. Also I think you may be underestimating boys soccer for success - again due to the fact the older kids usually don't play HS later in HS, as well as overestimating some competition in the UEC. and if they agree to go foreward - someone should do the same for the AD - varsity coach and principal to thank them... I know some people who might be involved in the MVHS booster club -- they could make it happen. your on!! I will help if we can ensure that the "the everyday Joe" players will have a choice/chance to play. Decision to either play JV or "step it up" and play varsity. If there is no choice (one team and its varsity only)..I am a little queasy about that. I would need to cogitate on that for a little bit. I know kids are gung ho, but Iwould feel better if the kids/parents had a choice/option in the matter. now there's a novel concept for this district lately -- parental input to decisions- I would have no issue with that involving the coaches. I am in agreement hat if the decision after reviewing the options is they just don't have anywhere near enough players / tryouts etc- to stay JV. But if it is even close I say go for it - the rewards for all are bigger than any downside. Note the last discusson had JV was the highest possible and even that they hedged on for most seeming to relent to soph. This would be the decision I am sure football parents /coaches would reach..without a doubt. For the other sports you are right - need some key players. I know one boy soccer player on varsity at WVHS moving to MVHS- and he is a key in current team..I would relent to the parents of that sport with the coaches to decide. But let's give them that option - again something they are being told flat out NO today on. now if no varsity I would want to reopen talks again for exceptions in that sport to stay at WVHS. For kids as talented as say BiDernardo was - Rodriguez etc...they should keep that opportunity. Imagine a Candace Parker being asked to play soph ball etc. That is why I was pushing for as much varsity as possible to avoid those decisions if possible |
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Post by researching on Mar 28, 2009 22:38:40 GMT -6
After reading the last 2 pages of posts in this thread...
It has been my life's experience that has shown me that people who only have small children and have yet to experience the joys of middle school and high school children, tend to think that they have all of the answers to how to raise middle school and high school children. They tend to be narrow in mind and quick to judge. It is kind of like how we all tended to think we knew everything as an immature teenager and only with the wisdom of maturity did we finally realize that we know next to nothing.
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Post by entitled on Mar 28, 2009 23:37:15 GMT -6
After reading the last 2 pages of posts in this thread... It has been my life's experience that has shown me that people who only have small children and have yet to experience the joys of middle school and high school children, tend to think that they have all of the answers to how to raise middle school and high school children. They tend to be narrow in mind and quick to judge. It is kind of like how we all tended to think we knew everything as an immature teenager and only with the wisdom of maturity did we finally realize that we know next to nothing. Amen to that! |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 29, 2009 0:06:56 GMT -6
After reading the last 2 pages of posts in this thread... It has been my life's experience that has shown me that people who only have small children and have yet to experience the joys of middle school and high school children, tend to think that they have all of the answers to how to raise middle school and high school children. They tend to be narrow in mind and quick to judge. It is kind of like how we all tended to think we knew everything as an immature teenager and only with the wisdom of maturity did we finally realize that we know next to nothing. Amen to that! Even those of us who have been thru it once ( or more) - all the way thru college and are embarking on it again are far from having all the answers, or even a lot of them....I wish we did. But we do know some things as we have seen them unfold. we know what kids held important and not important, and how important THEIR feelings are going thru it all- and shaping them as young adults. the picture of these ultra resilient group who can and will adjust just fine to anything thrown at them - simply not true. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 29, 2009 7:47:30 GMT -6
I don't have an agenda...yours is a deafening drumbeat Hello Steckdad!! Not to hijack this thread (but will do so anyways  ) Two pieces: 1. To SteckDad: what were your thoughts on the divide thread on Green? WarriorPride interjected and then decided not to reply to my last post. I wanted to see if you still felt that THE parents are at fault for the divide and the SB has NO part in whatever divide developed or currently resides in D204. 2. To Dr. Who: I'm still not convinced that The Froshes/Sophs will be competitive at varsity in any of the boys sports. I grant you Girls in Basketball and PERHAPS volleyball and Soccer (just due to the fact that the club programs are so prevelant here in CHicago) MIGHT be competitive. ;D If I can help your cause to get varsity sports up and running year one at MVHS and by some miracle we are successful; will you bet me that at least one team will have a record better than 500 in varsity schedule in 2009? Loser has to pay the others State income Tax increase Next year the wager can be the property tax increase differential.  greg...I will have to go back and read your replies on green. To me it is a chicken vs. egg argument. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 29, 2009 7:52:28 GMT -6
should we or should we not field a varsity basketball team at MV if there are two kids that could compete? this is what I am getting at. every family cannot be happy with this change. don't pretend like the kids will never experience varsity sports or that they won't attend them. In the meanwhile they could attend the JV games? I know ..It's not the same..sigh and yes..I played varsity baseball and basketball as a sophomore. as far as your 204 resume...that's awesome..you are a superstar  everyone should come to you for advice...your opinion and view on things outweighs all others. and look at this nice shiny website you run!!! I have a good Idea why there are two 204 proboards now. that's it - when you run out of excuses and things to try and pin on me - resort to 5 year old style mocking. Really - quite pathetic and juvenile. As I said, I sleep quite well with what I do for kids in my life- even without your approval. Imagine that. I wasn't the one posting their volunteer record and conversations with SB members to make a point or "brag".... as far as your agenda, your platform is a good one. I just don't agree with your method. And sometimes we disagree on what truly is a travesty and what is not. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 29, 2009 7:55:09 GMT -6
Steckdad, what is the argument against Varsity level sports? If it's competition, that's an argument that is fairly weak. Especially when you have varsity teams fielded with prominent freshman and sophomore players. Is it size? Sports with weight restrictions or constraints do present saftey issues, but besides football and wrestling what would be affected? You seem to have a strong opinion, what is the basis? I don't have anything against varsity sports at MV. as a matter of fact, they will have them in the near future and I am sure they be quite competitive. |
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Post by steckdad on Mar 29, 2009 8:04:03 GMT -6
Even those of us who have been thru it once ( or more) - all the way thru college and are embarking on it again are far from having all the answers, or even a lot of them....I wish we did. But we do know some things as we have seen them unfold. we know what kids held important and not important, and how important THEIR feelings are going thru it all- and shaping them as young adults. the picture of these ultra resilient group who can and will adjust just fine to anything thrown at them - simply not true.I would agree, but there is a bigger picture... what age exactly is OK for kids to feel disappointment and learn to deal with those feelings? Is there a point where you support instead of protect? |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 29, 2009 8:53:35 GMT -6
Steckdad, what is the argument against Varsity level sports? If it's competition, that's an argument that is fairly weak. Especially when you have varsity teams fielded with prominent freshman and sophomore players. Is it size? Sports with weight restrictions or constraints do present saftey issues, but besides football and wrestling what would be affected? You seem to have a strong opinion, what is the basis? I don't have anything against varsity sports at MV. as a matter of fact, they will have them in the near future and I am sure they be quite competitive. and the class of 2012 especially can just wait for them - take one for the team ? sorry we will never agree on that |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 29, 2009 8:55:13 GMT -6
Even those of us who have been thru it once ( or more) - all the way thru college and are embarking on it again are far from having all the answers, or even a lot of them....I wish we did. But we do know some things as we have seen them unfold. we know what kids held important and not important, and how important THEIR feelings are going thru it all- and shaping them as young adults. the picture of these ultra resilient group who can and will adjust just fine to anything thrown at them - simply not true.I would agree, but there is a bigger picture... what age exactly is OK for kids to feel disappointment and learn to deal with those feelings? Is there a point where you support instead of protect? yes when they are adults- not children. 14 nor 17 are adults in my book. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 29, 2009 9:25:28 GMT -6
that's it - when you run out of excuses and things to try and pin on me - resort to 5 year old style mocking. Really - quite pathetic and juvenile. As I said, I sleep quite well with what I do for kids in my life- even without your approval. Imagine that. I wasn't the one posting their volunteer record and conversations with SB members to make a point or "brag".... as far as your agenda, your platform is a good one. I just don't agree with your method. And sometimes we disagree on what truly is a travesty and what is not. far from 'bragging' - they were direct examples of how wrong you are- it was because you have already 'branded' me a negative person and I have proof I am not. Do you ? How else would I show I am not ?. I'm in it for the kids - what is your reason ? Listen I don't give a rat's backside if you like me or not - means nothing to me- but I will not be branded as something I am not either - |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 15, 2009 22:46:55 GMT -6
Any one else hearing 'rumors' of co-opting of certain sports programs @ MV with WV ? None of the one's I'm hearing are true team sports however- so will all individual sport athletes be covered, just not teams ?
Also did KB not say a few weeks ago that there would be No co opting -- is this a case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing again, or just more less than truthful statements ?
Anyone with info please chime in ....
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Post by Arch on Apr 15, 2009 23:31:30 GMT -6
Maybe someone actually is listening to what the 'whiners' are saying and are realizing there is a lot of merit to the points being brought up.
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