Plan F: New Boundaries under Ashwood Scenario

[Avenging Eagle]

lacy said:

You have personally insulted me numerous times. Anyone reading this can see that.

Why do you attack me because my opinions differ from your's? And why is that allowed?

I will not debate you on the tone of your rhetoric on this board.

There is a minimum standard expected of everyone here to stick to the subject, avoid inflammatory rhetoric, and come together to work towards a common goal of making 204 a better place.

I personnally expect you to follow this standard or you will not be around very long.

[lacy]

Then perhaps you should abide by such standards yourself. I have never personally insulted you.

And this is America - so people might have different opinions and viewpoints than you. That should not be a crime, nor should that be construed as "highjacking a thread".

What's best for our district is to have a open discussion.

[doctorwho]

bob said:

Lacy, it is not zoned commercial, but planned High Density housing . The only area zoned commercial is the corner lot which the SD is NOT asking for.

Why else do you think Lehman wants to move his property and potentially purchase BB ( his comments) ( although I can guarantee at NOWHERE near his newspaper estimate of value ) - not to build commerical which is a minute slice of that land- but because it is ALREADY zoned high density. It's facts like this that have been very clear from day 1 that keep getting mis stated and cloud the real issue. Do we think Macom is some sort of knight on a white horse here ? We are all smarter than that.

[macy]

doctorwho said:

bob said:

Lacy, it is not zoned commercial, but planned High Density housing . The only area zoned commercial is the corner lot which the SD is NOT asking for.

Why else do you think Lehman wants to move his property and potentially purchase BB ( his comments) ( although I can guarantee at NOWHERE near his newspaper estimate of value ) - not to build commerical which is a minute slice of that land- but because it is ALREADY zoned high density. It's facts like this that have been very clear from day 1 that keep getting mis stated and cloud the real issue. Do we think Macom is some sort of knight on a white horse here ? We are all smarter than that.

I must have missed Lehman's comments on wanting to purchase the BB land. Are these printed somewhere?

[Avenging Eagle]

"The issue of the townhomes just means they would likely be built in a different location such as Brach Brodie and we would still get students, but in a different place and here at least we have the capacity," Crouse said.

Crouse said that some townhomes might end up at BB, but not that Lehman was going to build them.

Doctor, did I miss the Lehman quote in another article?

[d204taxpayer]

High Density Developments

According to a recent estimated ultimate population update by the City of Naperville prepared by demographer, Ehlers & Associates, they estimate student generation for the following housing types as follows:

Townhomes k-5 6-8 9-12
2 bedroom = .084 .057 .030
3 bedroom= .104 .039 .050

Apartments k-5 6-8 9-12
1 bedroom= .032 .012 .013
2 bedroom= .064 .032 .038
3 bedroom= .115 .073 .083

If we take a previous post using I think was the Greenbriar development (it is to be townhomes I think) as an example, which is a 180 unit complex, applying the formula using the worse case scenario that all these units will be three bedroom townhomes, the following number of students would be generated:

3 bedroom townhome in 180 unit complex:
K-5 = 18 elementary students
6-8 = 7 middle school students
9-12 = 9 high school students
Total students generated: 34

District 204 had the opportunity to review and dispute these estimations but instead approved the student generation estimation formulas. If you look at the district’s past enrollment in high density developments (townhomes and apartments) you find that they have never heavily generated school children. The significant players where the majority of our student population is derived are the neighborhoods of: Ashbury, White Eagle, High Meadow, Tall Grass, Stonebridge, Oakhurst, Brookdale.

[macy]

Ok,

I've looked up and down and still can't find ANYTHING that suggests Lehman would be interested in purchasing the BB land in light of selling the Ashwood property to the School District. Furthermore, if he is (and I'm just not seeing it somewhere) why on earth would he think he'd be able to get that land for less than what they are currently holding out for? If BB would not sell to us after all this legal wrangling, why would they cave and sell to him for a lesser value?


Confused.

[bob]

Greenbriar development (it is to be townhomes I think) as an example, which is a 180 unit complex,

How many acres is the Greenbriar development?

[wvhsparent]

eagledad said:

avengingeagle said:

Plan F stays as close as possible to what has been decided, but makes the necessary adjustments to account for the southern location.

It cannot be put any more simply than that.

The SB even said in the article that if the Macom site was chosen, then boundary changes would be necessary.

I agree that if the site were switched to Macom (which I give a low probability at this point), some small changes to accomodate the immediate surrounding areas in the SW corner might be needed.

I may have over-interepreted WVHSParent's opinion as stating that with the BB site we should re-open or re-do boundaries. That, I am dead set against.

ED you did. But I really think they need to tweak all boundaries even at the ES level now that build-out is upon us. there should not be any more wild fluctuations. Maybe that is planned when the Freshman center gets reconverted to a MS. I do think I recall he SB saying that the ES boundaries are something that will be addressed in the near future.

[wvhsparent]

avengingeagle said:

"The issue of the townhomes just means they would likely be built in a different location such as Brach Brodie and we would still get students, but in a different place and here at least we have the capacity," Crouse said.

Crouse said that some townhomes might end up at BB, but not that Lehman was going to build them.

Doctor, did I miss the Lehman quote in another article?

I think that it was Gladstone that had a proposal to build High density housing on BB. The even had a packet put together. The link is here on the board somewhere. I just don't have the time right now to look for it.

[doctorwho]

avengingeagle said:

"The issue of the townhomes just means they would likely be built in a different location such as Brach Brodie and we would still get students, but in a different place and here at least we have the capacity," Crouse said.

Crouse said that some townhomes might end up at BB, but not that Lehman was going to build them.

Doctor, did I miss the Lehman quote in another article?

I believe so , I am searching for it, the comment was something along the lines that he sold his land which allowed him to purchase other land in the area, with BB being at the top of that list ....I will post as soon as I can locate - can't remember which paper article ( or just a bad dream, but i don't think so )

[doctorwho]

doctorwho said:

avengingeagle said:

Crouse said that some townhomes might end up at BB, but not that Lehman was going to build them.

Doctor, did I miss the Lehman quote in another article?

I believe so , I am searching for it, the comment was something along the lines that he sold his land which allowed him to purchase other land in the area, with BB being at the top of that list ....I will post as soon as I can locate - can't remember which paper article ( or just a bad dream, but i don't think so )

When you're wrong you're wrong, it must have been the Howie Crouse quote.....I still believe the sentiment to likely be true, but it has no basis in fact that I can find. I withdraw the comment as fact but leave it there as my speculation, which means little.

[Avenging Eagle]

I believe that it is beside the point whether Macom buys this land, or some other anxious builder like Kimball Hill takes it. There will probably be townhomes there, and plenty of students that will be added to 204's capacity.

[lacy]

But it's been stated over and over that townhouses don't generate many students.

[blankcheck]

Why are you guys wasting so much time on the possibility of new boundaries? BG already has stated that Macom is not an option.