Plan F: New Boundaries under Ashwood Scenario

[Avenging Eagle]

Looking at the geographical implications of the Ashwood location, and assuming that the builder would donate the land for free, and everything else works out, I am convinced that adjustments to the boundaries would be necessary if the Ashwood location was chosen.

Please note that I am not posting this to try to stir up controversy. Since the article today said the our SB asked the builder for the land for free, then there was actually a chance that we would need to consider the implications if he said yes. The last thing I would promote is another round of boundary wars, and I am hoping for a quick and successful aquisition of the BB property ASAP.

Since the site is located much further south, some of the northern neighborhoods would now have Neuqua Valley as a more obvious busing choice, while the southern, previously "unaffected" neighborhoods, might be assigned to Metea instead of Neuqua.

A similar discussion would probably take place if any other southern location was chosen, such as the quarry site.

ETA: NOTE: (SEE ADJUSTMENT BELOW....MISTAKES IN THIS ONE)

Looking at the current boundary maps, I believe that these adjustments could possibly be made:

Switched from Neuqua to Metea:
Kendall (900)
Graham (725)
Builta (1075)
Longwood (100 will remain, 375 leave)
Total: (2800)

Switched from Metea to Neuqua:
Brookdale (525)
Longwood - Split (375 to Neuqua), 100 remain at Metea
Watts (675)
Cowlishaw (650)
Owens (575)
Total: (2800)

Switched from WVHS to Metea:
Peterson (600)

Switched from Metea to WVHS:
Gombert (600)

ETA: NOTE: (SEE ADJUSTMENT BELOW....MISTAKES IN THIS ONE)

Here is the link to the current boundaries:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/3hs/Boundaries.pdf

Could one of the local experts on boundary maps draw this one up for further discussion? It would be greatly appreciated...thanks.

[proschool]

I suggest start with the middle schools first. It's much easier that way.

I was thinking Hill was a problem but feeding Hill into NV might work. It seems like it will help the acheivement gap as well.

So AE's plan from the middle school perspective is Crone and Scullen to MV. 7th and Granger to NV. Hill,Gregory and Still to NV. Gomberrt moves from Still to 7th.

I think that might work


EDIT:

I have to take this back. This will close the acheivement gap between NV and WV pretty well but MV will be made up soley of high income high performing schools.

I would accept a boundary scenario like this for free land or if we absolutely had to do it. otherwise forget it.

[gatormom]

This splits our district into Naperville and Aurora. I am pretty sure that would be devastating to the image of WV.

I am not trying to start anything, it is just an observation.

[EagleDad]

Ouch, flipping 2800 between NVHS and Metea? It might just be easier to swap the names ;-)

This gives me ulcers just thinking about it.

[Avenging Eagle]

Sorry, I messed up. WarriorPride reminded me that Brookdale is slated to go to WVHS instead of Metea, and I left the Wheatland numbers out, so I need to simplify the plan as follows:

Trade #1:

Switched from Neuqua to Metea:

Kendall (900)
Graham (725)
Wheatland (350)
Total: (1975)

Switched from Metea to Neuqua:

Watts (675)
Cowlishaw (650)
Owen (575)
Total: (1900)

and Trade #2:

Switched from WVHS to Metea:
Petersen (600 or less)

Switched from Metea to WVHS:
ETA: Longwood (475) (formerly Gombert (500))


(Note: Brookdale will stay at WVHS and Builta will stay at Neuqua after this adjustment)


Here is the link to the current boundaries:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/3hs/Boundaries.pdf

[Avenging Eagle]

gatormom said:

This splits our district into Naperville and Aurora. I am pretty sure that would be devastating to the image of WV.

I am not trying to start anything, it is just an observation.

Good observation, but the new solution is still about the same as what the current solution is, related to the Naperville/Aurora balancing.

Brookdale is the Naperville representative at WVHS, 1/2 of White Eagle is the Aurora representative at Metea, and the invisible man is the Aurora representative at Neuqua, which is the same as what the current solution offers, except that in the new solution, Gombert stays with their geographical home school of WVHS.

In contrast, the new proposal will help to distribute the achievement gap to Neuqua, which was a blatant flaw in the current solution.

[doctorwho]

proschool said:

I suggest start ith the middle schools first. its much easier that way.

I was thinking Hill was a problem but feeding Hill into NV might work. It seems like it will help the acheivementg gap as well.

here's why my head hurts even thinking about this process again -- the answer to this statement is yes and no - one of those Hill schools is the 3rd highest ranked ES in the district - that certainly doesn't help taking it from Matea.

and there will be a zillion other responses - all right in their own way to these types of discussions.

the whole boundary process ends up as stated elsewhere here basically making this and east - west boundary line - sound familiar ? it should, when 59 was going to be the original boundary line for NV and WV when NV opened and started the whole north / south discussions and us against them etc etc....before the NV boundaries were changed. This is why the whole idea of opening this up again makes me nauseous.

[Avenging Eagle]

gatormom said:

This splits our district into Naperville and Aurora. I am pretty sure that would be devastating to the image of WV.

I am not trying to start anything, it is just an observation.

Or I guess you could also trade Longwood and Gombert ,which would make geographical sense:

Longwood (475) would switch from Metea to WVHS to counter balance the 600 from Petersen, and Gombert (500) would remain assigned to Metea. I have added this option to the solution above.

That would help to distribute the Aurora and Naperville students a little better.

[Avenging Eagle]

doctorwho said:

This is why the whole idea of opening this up again makes me nauseous.

I'm taking Rolaids as we speak.

But if we don't do our homework and openly discuss this possibility that may have almost happened, then we risk getting caught unprepared if/when it actually occurs.

As was mentioned in the article today, our SB actually asked for the land for free. If the builder said yes, then we would have to deal with this painful issue.

[doctorwho]

avengingeagle said:

gatormom said:

This splits our district into Naperville and Aurora. I am pretty sure that would be devastating to the image of WV.

I am not trying to start anything, it is just an observation.

Or I guess you could also trade Longwood and Gombert ,which would make geographical sense:

Longwood (475) would switch from Metea to WVHS to counter balance the 600 from Petersen, and Gombert (500) would remain assigned to Metea. I have added this option to the solution above.

That would help to distribute the Aurora and Naperville students a little better.

also this splits Hill MS evenly instead of only one school, giving Brookdale a partner - and does so geographically - with Coulishaw and Watts 6+ miles south. This being said I know we are all proud of our schools but I wouldn't want to trade Hill MS for any other if we didn't have to...for over 10 years it has been a wonderful experience for my kids.

[gatormom]

Peterson will probably be closer to 500 or less because of the loss of that land. Why not keep the boundaries as they are and just swap Longwood and Peterson. I am probably being naive that it could be so simple, I do remember what we went through to get the boundaries we have now.

[bob]

The problem with that, is Peterson is a split grade school. Wheatland goes to NV.

[Avenging Eagle]

gatormom said:

Peterson will probably be closer to 500 or less because of the loss of that land. Why not keep the boundaries as they are and just swap Longwood and Peterson. I am probably being naive that it could be so simple, I do remember what we went through to get the boundaries we have now.

Another problem is that with a more southern location ,you are asking people to bus too far, as compared to the BB central site, so the southernmost ES's need to go to Metea instead of the centrally located ones.

Watts, Cowlishaw, and Owen are closest to Neuqua if the new school was built down in Ashwood.

[chicoryowl]

gatormom said:

Peterson will probably be closer to 500 or less because of the loss of that land. Why not keep the boundaries as they are and just swap Longwood and Peterson. I am probably being naive that it could be so simple, I do remember what we went through to get the boundaries we have now.

Good point about Peterson being smaller. That will probably mean that Owen, McCarty, or Cowlishaw will be larger because of kids coming from Brach-Brodie developed land.

[chicoryowl]

AE, perhaps you could begin giving your scenarios names like "Plan 1" and "Plan 1A" and so on. That would really assist me to re-kindle the feelings of anger, bewilderment and anxiety that the last process brought about. ;D